[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 30 hours and 8 minutes remaining.

17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Tellan, Tennes

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

1 vote for Ampelas: ( Kessobahn )
1 vote for Tellan: ( Emurlahn )
2 votes for Korvalain: ( Gamelon, Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Tellan, Tennes

[Rashan]

gah 3 lost during the night? One of those better be a vig because if there are three independent killers out there we need to hit one and soon. Stating the obvious, I know but still, I can only hope one of the 6 innos dead was a symp but that would be too easy.

Tellan was extremely against Liosan and Sil, who were both inno, so I'm trying to decide if that is a good place to drop a vote for now. Could be scum trying to get an inno lynched or could be a mistake.

[Emurlahn]

Having thought about it a little more, it seems to me that the worst Tellan or Korvalain could be is a symp - no way does a killer stick his neck into that scrum. So we look for symp clues from those two, I guess, but we should be trying to find killers, not symps at this point.

Remove Vote

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on May 7 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

Unfortunately i'm at work, but Day has timed out.

There was a lot of shuffling of feet but there was no lynch.


However Night was a busy one

Shadow (Kurt M) has been killed he was a member of the town

Silanah (Lisheo) has been killed he was a member of the town

Liosan (Imperion) has been killed he was a member of the town

Holy fuckballs. Now I'm kind of glad we didn't get a lynch, cos odds were we'd hit wrong and be down even further. This is getting insane. TMDI 2 my arse.

Catching up.

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on May 7 2009, 10:46 AM, said:

if korvalain isnt the symp i am jesus H christ.

There is definitely something weird going on, and Korv has been front and centre throughout this game.

[Kessobahn]

okay, home now.

will try to compile Amp's posts into a semblance of a case.

[Omtose]

Hood's Path, on May 7 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 7 2009, 08:43 AM, said:

you really need to read it to believe it

How long do you think it will take to read 800 posts?

Hood's Path, on May 7 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

well...if someone could just point me to some of the important bits it would be appreciated, Ive only been able to really post to avoid modkill.

I really dont have the time to catch up properly, and i only have tomorrow as i am not online this weeknd, so by monday ill be a 9000 posts behind. and completely out of the loop.

This kind of pisses me off. If you can't play, don't play. Don't expect us to summarise everything for you. If that's what you want, wait for the IMDB plot synopsis instead.

[Kessobahn]

Amp's behaviour on Day 1 was weirding me out--he made no attempt to be really constructive, and continued to hit everyone over the head with the statement that Day 1 cases are crap and Day 1 is a collective waste of everyone's time.

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Caught up finally - seems to be mostly day 1 outbursts and day 1 cases. Hard to tell what's note worthy and what isn't at this point. Haven't noticed anything that could be classified as a slip yet. If it's not a slip, I don't see why scum would make noise at all. I am not defending anyone, just pointing out that so far this game has been really pathetic. I'll stay around for a while to talk, if anyone is still here.

Haven't read properly what this thing on Omtose is about, I am going to do that now.

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I didn't say it was any more or less pathetic than any other game.

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We definitely need more cases, like the one on Shadow that might be coming. Might just as well read the thread again from the beginning...

note, that's ALL he does--complain, without actually trying to contribute.
then he votes on D'riss, whitst continuing ot lament on the crappiness of Day 1

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It's depressing that the case on D'riss is the best so far, I want day 1 to end, it's a nightmare.<insert general swearing and bitching> That's mafia for you. WIFOM galore, and it fits with the theme.

Beside the case on D'riss, I think the case on Mockra is noteworthy. I so hate day 1 of mafia.

vote D'riss


Probably cross post, so I have to read up again.

when D'riss votes him, he responds:

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You're a funny guy. If I didn't agree with your case, I wouldn't put my vote on you. If there was a less depressing case, I'd go with that, but since I can't find any, and nobody else can either, you are the best option.

Edit: FUCKING cross post!

when D'riss reveals, he removes vote (will not quote, as this has been covered by many people), and then he demands an explanation, getting al pissed off at D'riss for playing with us, and then he votes him again.

basically, the one thing that irked me about his Day 1 play was the way he consistently expressed his disgust with the way Day 1 was played, without actually trying to DO anything about it. it's a very convenient niche for a scum to take up on day 1.

day2 coming up

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 07 May 2009 - 04:29 PM

[Omtose]

Ok, clearly I was wrong about Sil. Chances are I'm wrong about Ruse being a symp as well... although this post by Galain did make me think.

Galain, on May 7 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

Unless we have a posse of epileptic vigs out there, it seems the killer team have more than one kill, possibly up to three. Now, I can't imagine that if there's 3 killers they all have a separate kill unless it's made that they don't know of each other. TMDI discussions aside, that would mean that looking at the game in the term of "association/dissociation/defense" etc makes no sense. For all we know, the killers have been at each other's throats on thread at some point.

So, what if the killers don't know each other and Ruse is the Prince, trying to signal not his masters but his partners.

But yeah, it's getting tenuous and I won't continue to flog the horse over it.

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

Well, Omtose was convinced I was symping Sil. But Sil is dead and found inno. People have brought up my "Prince" comment, and while I admitted (to gamelon) that in retrospect it was sort of a dumb thing to say, there wasn't anything true about it. And apparently that's the first time anyone has used a "screenshot defense" (that's trademarked btw).

Other than that, I'm guilty of being unhelpful, because my scumdar has failed on all accounts so far.

That and my PM says (oh wait, we're not allowed to talk about that anymore, shhhhh)

At any rate, in hopes that a blind pig can find an acorn on occasion, I'm going to go and look at the posts of Omtose, Ruse and Galain since I haven't looked at them yet.

All I can say is I have my eye on Ruse for the time being.

Korv seems to be in the thick of things all the time, which makes me nervous so I want to see what he does today (please no more talk of "lynch me lynch me I don't care".

I also want to see what Serc does today. He doesn't strike me as the noob type, so his playing the noob card is fishy.

[Omtose]

Kessobahn, on May 7 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

A whole load of stuff

Ampelas has not pinged my radar once this whole game (which in itself makes a great big PONG noise). I dunno, maybe he's not on at the same time as me so I keep forgetting about him. It will be interesting to see what you find from day 2.

[Gamelon]

heading off for a night out, nothing more to add anyway.

[Kessobahn]

as soon as the night ends, we get a brand-new Ampelas. where is the anger? instead, he is now the embodiment of helpfulness.

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Silanah, I'd say we can't know, or even presume, that there are only 1 killer. I agree that a vig and a kill is more likely, but is a comment about 2 killers a lead? I'm not so sure. There could very well be two killers, and assuming that there's only 1 is only gonna benefit the scums.


Edit: grammar

he also starts neming names in quick progression, picking up on any conversation that's goin on in thread

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To answer your question, Sil, I don't remember much about Emurlahn. I will need to read up on him.

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That Meanas have fingered nearly everyone is interesting. It could be a scum tactic.

he expresses a lot of interest in Emurlahn, because Silanah was talking about him at that point.

then, he comes back, as it seems clouds are gathering over Serc--everyone's just spent a while berating his foolish statemnet, and there are few votes. putting him as the most likely train.
what does Ampelas do? Why, he votes serc!

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I've caught up and I'm going to vote for Serc. Pointing out someone as a power inno role is bad bad play. First it's not a good reason to want to point them out to other power roles, it just doesn't make sense. Second he's a liability since he might do it again. Thirdly there's no 'noob' excuse for it, in fact, if he even implies that he's an noob, he should be lynched right away. No noob card is played here. Ever. My scum radar is pinging all over the place.

vote Serc

If Serc happens to be correct, it's even worse, right now I am hoping he was gunning for someone he thought was an easy target.

when i call him out for voting at the most likely lynch at the time, he says

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Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

looking over his 3 reasons, I don't believe they are solid. scum, otoh, would readily pounce on such an opportunity.

he then leaves. he pops in today with this little tidbit:

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Wow, just wow. I don't even want to speculate about how many killers versus vigs there are. Hopefully we can extrapolate information from those NKs. I am liking the Korvalain case at the moment, and I still want to lynch off Serc for being stupid, but I agree that we can't punish him for it forever if there's better lynch choices around. It's not easy to get something out of last nights confusion, but Korvalain did seem very pushy to get information about roles.
I can't stay unfortunately, I will come back later for discussion.

he can't talk much, but he support the two simplest lynches.

I realize this isn't much, but Amp's been coasting like crazy so far in the game. He hid behind his "Day 1 is useless crap" facade to avoid drawing attention early on, and since then he's been coasting, piping up here and there to voice his agreement with the flow of the thread at the time, trying real hard not to stick out.

[Kessobahn]

Omtose, on May 7 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 7 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

A whole load of stuff

Ampelas has not pinged my radar once this whole game (which in itself makes a great big PONG noise). I dunno, maybe he's not on at the same time as me so I keep forgetting about him. It will be interesting to see what you find from day 2.

sorry, if I dissapoint you, Omtose, but with his 30 posts in total, there ain't much to look at...

[Omtose]

Everyone always disappoints me, especially myself

So are you willing to drop a vote on Ampelas?

I'm leaning more towards Korv or Serc atm myself. Serc because I don't think he's the noob he's trying to make out, and Korv because he's just been bothering me with his in-your-faceness.

vote Serc

Until he clears this up once and for all - Serc, are you claiming to be new to the game? In other words, what is the reason for your antics yesterday with the "reveal" incident?

EDIT to add - if Serc has already cleared this up and I've missed it somewhere, then fair enough.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 07 May 2009 - 04:54 PM

[Galain]

It's strange how since Gamelon and I put pressure on Korvalain, there was two quick votes on Tellan (I mean, if you're to vote on one of those two of this mess, don't tell me you prefer Tellan, it makes no sense to me), and then a bunch of "stay away from the whole thing".

Anyways, in an academic discussion on who else I would vote but Korvalain, I would say Anomandaris. I should try and make a case on his play until today, but I have a feeling it will be summarized as "agreeable and non-commital". And today, he's reacting to his one commitment (vote on Liosan) with a bizarro, fake-sounding meltdown of a rant.

[Galain]

But I do warn you that I'll need some convincing to change that vote.


Some reaction from Korvalain and an explanation of his only post today would be a good start.

[Omtose]

Yeah, he did come on all ANGRY at Tellan, which felt a bit weird in itself, then very very quickly backed down and removed vote.

[Kessobahn]

@ Omtose, well, I DID vote for him inmy first post following the night scene...

unless it didn't count, b/c I didn't put it on a separate line

ah well
just to be sure

vote Ampelas

[Korvalain]

Vote Tellan

Hang on

[Emurlahn]

Omtose, on May 7 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

Everyone always disappoints me, especially myself

So are you willing to drop a vote on Ampelas?

I'm leaning more towards Korv or Serc atm myself. Serc because I don't think he's the noob he's trying to make out, and Korv because he's just been bothering me with his in-your-faceness.

vote Serc

Until he clears this up once and for all - Serc, are you claiming to be new to the game? In other words, what is the reason for your antics yesterday with the "reveal" incident?

EDIT to add - if Serc has already cleared this up and I've missed it somewhere, then fair enough.

Question for you: do you think that the things Serc and Korv have done are consistent with the strategy of a killer? Because I really can't imagine a killer coming out on thread and saying "I think that guy has a power role" like Serc, or getting involved in a Role PM discussion like Korv. I can see a symp doing either of those things, but not a killer.