[Korvalain]

 Tellan, on May 6 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

 Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 12:40 PM, said:

@ Fener, yeah, I know, Im just post padding. Bored at work and no one to talk to = spam. Also, I am really just wanting to hear more from Tellan. I might be willing to move on Liosan, mostly for middle of the roading, no commitment etc. As I am not fond of lynching Serc TBH, and Tennes is gone again, so no info there. However, if theres more on Liosan that I am too dense to see I would like to hear it.

Do you think Gamelon set a trap? I do because it happened last game with "drinks and drinks and drinks". Liosan has almost no content except one post I will highlight below, yet he's jumping on the "town" reveal as if it's scummy? What should he have done after seeing it, at least reread his PM. Even if you think Gamelon got in a lucky guess, it's surely not votable.

 Liosan, on May 6 2009, 05:19 AM, said:

I think we should work under the assumption that there are 2 NKs a night since it's WCS unless proved otherwise by there being only 1 for the next few nights.

It's thin, but this statement bothers me. You should never roadmap your thinking like this, but it is something scum would do to plant possibilities and false leads. It's also a non-confrontational post he can easily point back to later and say see I was right. It makes him look like he's thinking about the game and in-tune either way, especially if he knows how it's going to turn out.

I do think Game set a tarp. A bad one, but thats how I read Lios post, as if he was saying, don't call attention to rolled innos (see above and inno speculation concerning me and Game and Serc and Sil. I thought Lio was agreeing that Game shouldn't have done that because of the danger to roled innos. I'll read it again, just to make sure. After all I did think Kess said Sil symping Shadow.

[Silanah]

 Anomandaris, on May 6 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

@Sil

 Anomandaris, on May 5 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

My thoughts are not a lot clearer for that read. For what it's worth though, Korv's case on D'riss seems pretty good for day 1. So,

Vote D'riss

and also for the reasons I gave earlier

I joined here, after Korv had done his detailed case and after I had made some other comments.

I completely missed that Kess wasn't on the train. I could have sworn he was.

 Anomandaris, on May 6 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

To answer your question Sil. - Had a look at the train, before the switcheroos at the end, but can't see anything untoward. In fact the vote dropping at the end seems to make sense, given the possible code thing. (Which was well naughty btw)…I suppose that all comes down to timing, hell if I had been on line at the time I might have dropped my vote.

Now I need to look again and see if I can find anything of use.

 Anomandaris, on May 6 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

On the Tennes thing. I mentioned it yesterday as an odd thing to do. One post = vote and then disappear. Like I said I sort of assumed it was a joke vote, but if it was why would you leave it in place and then disappear for a long time? Seems careless. Not sure it means anything, I simply didn't like it.

I have gone through the posts so many times now and nothing seems to make much sense. The only thoughts I have are; Sil's comments (posts 716 & 737) about Tellan, could (at one hell of a push, but then I've seen far less stretched much further) be construed as symping, but is probably far too obvious for that.

Kesso could be being set up or could be setting himself up, but then we get back to WIFOM, and I think it's a risky strategy and it would take a killer with real guts. But that doesn't mean I think he is in any way PI.

Mockra has five posts with little or no content, but I know that RL can be a bugger, and scum would probably try to post a bit more…wouldn't they?

So to sum up in technical terms - I haven't got a flaming clue.

Edit: Cross post with quite a lot.

 Anomandaris, on May 6 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

 Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

@ Fener, yeah, I know, Im just post padding. Bored at work and no one to talk to = spam. Also, I am really just wanting to hear more from Tellan. I might be willing to move on Liosan, mostly for middle of the roading, no commitment etc. As I am not fond of lynching Serc TBH, and Tennes is gone again, so no info there. However, if theres more on Liosan that I am too dense to see I would like to hear it.

Not lurking, but reading like crazy. I commented before on Tennes, but he's not lying low as such. I mean one post in over 24 hours, but that one was a vote...meh. My gut feeling is to agree with a vote on Liosan, but my gut feeling is usually wrong. I won't be a pot/kettle etc I know my post count is low, but I am working hard at trying to find something. I simply don't want to spam for the sake of it, and like I said before I am slow . But something about Lio's few posts has my scumdar going. I really wish I could point something out to explain why.

Edit: Cross posts

Ano, do you have any opinions on what's happening today?
I apologise, but you seem to be middle of the roading, getting involved in these arguments, answering my questions earlier, but not actually posting much content.

[Korvalain]

 Liosan, on May 6 2009, 12:43 PM, said:

I very much doubt you have alted me Silanah, especially if you think I am in a strange timezone.

Having done a re-read, I don't have anyone pinned down as being downright scummy. I was a little suspicious of Silanah just because you seem to be a little overbearing, trying to be a little pushy, which always makes me paranoid. However, I am gonna stick by my initial suspicion of Gamelon, mainly based on his jumping on the "town" mention, and claiming that CI'd him.

Vote Gamelon

Heres the post in question. And yes, you are correct he was talking more along the lines of, how dare Gamelon claim town meant he was CIed.

[Ampelas]

I've caught up and I'm going to vote for Serc. Pointing out someone as a power inno role is bad bad play. First it's not a good reason to want to point them out to other power roles, it just doesn't make sense. Second he's a liability since he might do it again. Thirdly there's no 'noob' excuse for it, in fact, if he even implies that he's an noob, he should be lynched right away. No noob card is played here. Ever. My scum radar is pinging all over the place.

vote Serc

If Serc happens to be correct, it's even worse, right now I am hoping he was gunning for someone he thought was an easy target.

[Anomandaris]

@Sil: My main thought is if Serc is a symp then he's not the one we should be lynching, and I am trying to find who that might be. And like I said, Liosan makes me uneasy. If I come over as middle of the road it's because I honestly don't have any strong feelings about anyone, other than I don't trust anyone.

You asked me about the train on D'riss earlier, and I don't know what you expected me to say, I couldn't see anything, but then neither could others.

[Korvalain]

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I've caught up and I'm going to vote for Serc. Pointing out someone as a power inno role is bad bad play. First it's not a good reason to want to point them out to other power roles, it just doesn't make sense. Second he's a liability since he might do it again. Thirdly there's no 'noob' excuse for it, in fact, if he even implies that he's an noob, he should be lynched right away. No noob card is played here. Ever. My scum radar is pinging all over the place.

vote Serc

If Serc happens to be correct, it's even worse, right now I am hoping he was gunning for someone he thought was an easy target.

You know, I actually agree with this. Damn, at a crux. I like either Lio or Serc equally. More than Tennes really. Tell you what, Ill

vote Liosan

But if the train runs up on Serc, I'll switch. My reasons for Liosan, is the fact that Serc has been called out and shouldn't cause any more problems like that because everyone would speed lynch the shit out of him.

Edit to bold vote

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 06 May 2009 - 08:35 PM

[Kessobahn]

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I've caught up and I'm going to vote for Serc. Pointing out someone as a power inno role is bad bad play. First it's not a good reason to want to point them out to other power roles, it just doesn't make sense. Second he's a liability since he might do it again. Thirdly there's no 'noob' excuse for it, in fact, if he even implies that he's an noob, he should be lynched right away. No noob card is played here. Ever. My scum radar is pinging all over the place.

vote Serc

If Serc happens to be correct, it's even worse, right now I am hoping he was gunning for someone he thought was an easy target.

*cough* jumping on easy lynch *cough*

[Korvalain]

remove vote on tennes
vote liosan

[Ampelas]

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 6 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

4 votes for Serc: ( Shadow, Silanah, Gamelon, Ampelas )
1 vote for Shadow: ( Ruse )
1 vote for Gamelon: ( Liosan )
2 votes for Tennes: ( Omtose, Korlat )
2 votes for Liosan: ( Tellan, Korvalain )
1 vote for Korvalain: ( Tennes )
1 vote for Silanah: ( Kessobahn )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Mockra, Rashan, Serc

[Emurlahn]

I've been looking at Serc, and it strikes me as more of an inno mistake than anything - when have you ever seen a killer team try and signal something like that so blatantly? (Some WIFOM there, I know). At best, he's a symp, and lynching the symp doesn't really get us anywhere.

[Kessobahn]

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

you have reasons, Silanah has reasons, Shadow has reasons... how is it not an easy lynch?
whilst i'm not saying Serc's actions don't warrant any attention (I agree that his statement was a foolish thing to do, and it will probably get him lynched), I can't help but look at those people who draw the most attention to it, trying to set his lynch in stone for today, instead of putting some efort in looing elsewhere.

But then again, i'm already thinking you are scum, aren't I?

[Korvalain]

 Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

you have reasons, Silanah has reasons, Shadow has reasons... how is it not an easy lynch?
whilst i'm not saying Serc's actions don't warrant any attention (I agree that his statement was a foolish thing to do, and it will probably get him lynched), I can't help but look at those people who draw the most attention to it, trying to set his lynch in stone for today, instead of putting some efort in looing elsewhere.

But then again, i'm already thinking you are scum, aren't I?

HAHA and voting for Sil, sorry couldn't resist, I know you think Sil is scum too.

[Anomandaris]

Right, I need to sleep, but I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

Vote Liosan

I think Serc might be a symp or made a mistake, either way a lynch won't tell us much. Whereas Liosan appears more subtlety scummy, and none of the other cases make sense for me at the moment.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 54 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

4 votes for Serc: ( Shadow, Silanah, Gamelon, Ampelas )
1 vote for Shadow: ( Ruse )
1 vote for Gamelon: ( Liosan )
2 votes for Tennes: ( Omtose, Korlat )
3 votes for Liosan: ( Tellan, Korvalain, Anomandaris )
1 vote for Korvalain: ( Tennes )
1 vote for Silanah: ( Kessobahn )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Mockra, Rashan, Serc

[Kessobahn]

 Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

you have reasons, Silanah has reasons, Shadow has reasons... how is it not an easy lynch?
whilst i'm not saying Serc's actions don't warrant any attention (I agree that his statement was a foolish thing to do, and it will probably get him lynched), I can't help but look at those people who draw the most attention to it, trying to set his lynch in stone for today, instead of putting some efort in looing elsewhere.

But then again, i'm already thinking you are scum, aren't I?

HAHA and voting for Sil, sorry couldn't resist, I know you think Sil is scum too.

If I find enough time to make a proper case on Amp, I'll switch my vote.
as it stands, with previous suspicions, chances are far better of people willing to vote off Silanah.

Got some errands to run, back shortly.

[Ampelas]

 Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

you have reasons, Silanah has reasons, Shadow has reasons... how is it not an easy lynch?
whilst i'm not saying Serc's actions don't warrant any attention (I agree that his statement was a foolish thing to do, and it will probably get him lynched), I can't help but look at those people who draw the most attention to it, trying to set his lynch in stone for today, instead of putting some efort in looing elsewhere.

But then again, i'm already thinking you are scum, aren't I?

That would certain be a problem for you, especially since you are wrong. Secondly I don't mind looking elsewhere, and I am, but Serc is my choice at the moment.


Edit: wrong about me being scum, for clarification.

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 06 May 2009 - 08:55 PM

[Gamelon]

watching the end of the apprentice, but just piping in a quick point of the various people we have on the cards. Sil is still my top suspect, serc has made a bad mistake or possibly is a symp though we cant seem to agree who he is symping. liosan hasnt said much and voted me, so i would vote that way, but i dont want to vote someone just cause they voted for me on the back of a weak case. i already said i laid a trap, but lio's very few posts and is on lots of lists.

ruse still has lingering suspicions from the drama yesterday, they were one of those diffusing attention toward sil, and they referenced the prince on thread, so theres possibly a symp to sils master there.

tennes has done little but vote.

i cant even remember hp or rashan.

we still have loads of players doing very little and alot of time.

[Korlat]

Well I have to go and while I would like to lynch Tennes it doesn't look like it is going to happen. So I will put my vote on the next best thing. The person who is more likely to be a killer rather then a possible symp.


Remove Vote

Vote Liosan

[Gamelon]

hmm scared everyone away. bed time then, well getting ready for it anyway.