[Korvalain]

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 11:12 AM, said:

Well, I am going to try and summon Tennes by placing a vote on him

Vote Tennes

Wow.. crazy cross-post at same time I was posting.

Vote Korvalain: Upon review, he just seems a bit too clever and like he knows more or has more power. Plus he just dropped a vote on me!

OMGUS!

Also, I do know more than you, you've only been here for 2 minutes. Both times youve posted in the last 24 hours have been votes. Maybe once you get settled in you can come to realize that I have been called a confused inno several times, and appear to e the idiot of the group for pushing a bs case on Driss as well as not having a coherent thought since day 2 started.
Also, my summoning skills are awesome!

[Korvalain]

Patiently waiting for Mockra to come on and ask for an update on what has happened so far, lol

[Shadow]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 6 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

What do you think of Shadow? Part of my thoughts on him is the fact that several different people have looked at him, but generally for different reasons. That's a good reason why I'm suspicious - he seems to be tripping scumdars left and right.

I don't like him. I haven't analysed him yet, but I think he's been all over the shop like a bull drunk on vodka. Which is one of the reasons why I am not sold on his guilt; he doesn't seem to have the smarts to be playing the careful killer; also, himself and Meanas were associated two or three times, right? I can't see him killing Meanas... Maybe Telas, but not Meanas.
But his playstyle has been too clumsy, and he started cleaning up when people start getting suspicious, which is in itself suspicious... We've NEVER gotten a killer Day One from suspicious behaviour lol... He just seems to suspicious to be true... He could be a symp, maybe, but I don't think he's a killer.

Uh, I was pretty consistent yesterday. Far from "all over the shop." It just turns out that my entire chain of reasoning fell apart when D'riss came up Inno - what I saw as a distraction effort, primarily by Meanas, would only have made sense if D'riss was a Killer, not a Symp.

And I never "started cleaning up" either, my play-style was pretty much the same all day. Claiming otherwise doesn't make it true. If it does seem slightly clumsy, I'm just not usually very aggressive on Day 1 - but the RP spam cut out sooner than I expected, and I jumped in with both feet.

[Shadow]

Anyways, before I do any serious speculating - and Kesso, Korv, and Ruse are the only people that come to mind - I'm headed out for some coffee and breakfast.

[Omtose]

Just catching up, will post as I go. Glad to see not so many posts today

[Omtose]

Galain, on May 6 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

I will bring this back because I think it contains valid information IMO:

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

Ok, I realise that I said I believed D'riss was the only viable lynch today (and he is), but I was shocked by how quick it almost happened. After I laid my vote down, here's the other voters.

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

@Shadow - okay couple things. First, if you are going to edit quotes it's polite to put something in there denoting you are cutting stuff out. I don't recommend *snip* because someone almost got lynched for it last game, but whatever. Second, if you are going to add multiple quotes there is the plus reply button down on the right, or you can do it ghetto and open two windows and grab "reply" quotes and cut and past them in. Lastly, you can use to add in someone's name. Thanks.

There it is, also the "youre being too obvious" remark. Which makes me think you know who I am.

Had to delete your example so the tags would match.

I do want to take back what I said earlier about your case on D'riss being a circlejerk. I can see how that might have been interpreted as pertaining to only that one case in that one instance. Whereas now I can clearly see your total style is circlejerk so minor correction there. You've definately piqued my interest now so I'm ready to see the CF.

Vote D'riss

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

Looks like we're going in that direction then - here's vote number...10?

Vote D'riss

As I said, not great believer in the case, but I do hope we're lucky/Korv's a genius.

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Fuck it, looks like D'riss is the most likely lynch today.
Don't think he's guilty, but we need info from his CF and his train.
Remove vote
Vote D'riss

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

bah, I stil htink Telas is scum

but to speed things up

remove vote

vote D'riss

Obviously I am also suspect, but there was a lot of eagerness to jump in here.

I'm not lecturing the votes on D'riss. Actually, I apologize for leaving without changing my vote first, I usually don't do that but I expected to be able to jump back on at some point before going to bed.

What I object with is the "I don't agree but vote" attitude, these were made with > 4-5 hours left in the day, and these players were around much later to remove/re-add their votes when D'riss came back with his California bullshit.

This was not a "time to discuss is over so let's compromise" situation, if these players had better candidates they could have discussed them. I have no issue with Emulahn's vote on Shadow for example, that was a proper thing to do. Not with 5 mins left in the day, but with hours why not?

These votes are either lazy or scummy.

Did you really read my posts, Gamelon, or are you just fishing?

I voted because it was the only viable lynch. I removed it because things went stupid and there was a possible code. Once it became clear that the code was just a joke, I put the vote back on. We need to lynch day 1. Always. Nobody else was getting lynched yesterday. Any idiot could see that.

EDIT -sorry, meant Galain, not Gamelon.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 06 May 2009 - 03:52 PM

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on May 6 2009, 12:23 PM, said:

Barghast (Masterblue) has requested a mod-kill and is now dead. he was of the town.

Boooooooooooo!!!!!

[Serc]

I just had to quote this for truth:

Ruse, on May 6 2009, 06:34 AM, said:

I'm here and have basically read through all of this. I dont know what I could possibly add however. The Tellan/Korv exchange was a bit of a wowzer.

In terms of evidence I went back along the lynch train and I just don't get anything jumping out at me.

I'm back, done with finals, and hella hungover

Finishing catching up...

[Omtose]

Liosan, on May 6 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

I think we should work under the assumption that there are 2 NKs a night since it's WCS unless proved otherwise by there being only 1 for the next few nights.

Holy fuck, Liosan is playing??

Seriously though, this makes a lot of sense. We'll find out tonight how many NKs we're realistically facing.

[Omtose]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Well, I am going to try and summon Tennes by placing a vote on him

Vote Tennes

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Boo! Sorry for lurking..

Hahahahahahahahaahahaaah.

[Silanah]

Back, just went shopping with the boyfriend.
Anyone any comments to add?

[Serc]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 06:53 AM, said:

Serc only seems to vote for D'riss in the end because of his fail code; I'm less suspicious of him than I am of Fener, now. He seems to be intelligent enough, drawing links and such, and his reason for voting D'riss is a valid enough one; doesn't seem like scum imo...
Gah, there has to be at least one scum in the train, so I shall look over it more closely.

Replying for clarification but my original vote was on Ruse for basically high-fiving everyone in range (he had directly mentioned 12 people of the 24 within a span of 4-5 hours). My reasoning is that he had gone out of his way to make sure to be in the middle of all discussion for a while, but the idea gained so little traction that I don't think it holds much water. He's not PI or anything, but I think he genuinely enjoyed all of the conversation swirling around him.

I swapped from Ruse to D'riss after I fixed Korv's code typo and figured out D'riss had basically tried to save his skin at the last second with a code (why not reveal something useful if you actually want to live?), which sure as shit seemed like scum tactics.

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

Here are the posts after the reveal where people removed votes and Meanas said holy shit watch them jump off!

Omtose, on May 5 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

remove vote

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Until I work out what that code was, consider yourself safe enough. Your repsonse ain't scum either. So let's see what happens now
Remove vote

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

oh, so now we're NOT being sheep?
how odd

remove vote

back it goes

vote Telas

Ampelas, on May 5 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

remove vote

We need to get this code thing sorted out.

Edit: MAJOR cross post!

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

ZOINKS!!!!

Look at all the people suddenly removing their votes one after the other!!

There's something definitely suspicious there! They're being dirty scum by removing their votes so quickly and suspiciously one after the other!

Quoted this post by Korv because it was my exact same thought. Why aren't we looking at people who jumped on-off the train? Let me check and compile a list of the last minute scramble.

This post has been edited by Serc: 06 May 2009 - 04:18 PM

[Silanah]

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Boo! Sorry for lurking.. have a lot going on and this thread is moving so fast I can barely follow it!

My thoughts so far:

• There aren't a lot of patterns so far even with careful review. D'Riss was a true lynching with no reason.
  
• There are talkative folks and nontalkative folks.
  
• Talkative could either be a real inno OR a scum trying to look like an inno...
  
• My vote for Meanas was really 100% cause he said Princess Bride was "no big deal". No better reason needed on day 1! heh

After 15 minutes of reviewing... nothing jumps out. Grrr

You, sir, are an expert at sitting on the fence.
Pray tell, are you a nervous killer bereft of the guidance usually delivered to you by your partner, and thus have decided to make no decisions and parrot what I and other players have been saying all game?

[Omtose]

Tennes is being far too goddamn vague and helpful/useless (pick your favourite). Below are his three posts today. The first one summarises the game but adds nothing. The second one comments on teh comedy summoning, and the third says he's off.

vote Tennes

Let's see if that summons him back again to actually add some content.

Right, I should be here on and off all night (got the Chelsea v Barca game downstairs at the same time though, so depends how much of a borefest that is)

Off for a cheeky cig

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Boo! Sorry for lurking.. have a lot going on and this thread is moving so fast I can barely follow it!

My thoughts so far:

• There aren't a lot of patterns so far even with careful review. D'Riss was a true lynching with no reason.
  
• There are talkative folks and nontalkative folks.
  
• Talkative could either be a real inno OR a scum trying to look like an inno...
  
• My vote for Meanas was really 100% cause he said Princess Bride was "no big deal". No better reason needed on day 1! heh

After 15 minutes of reviewing... nothing jumps out. Grrr

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 04:18 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 11:12 AM, said:

Well, I am going to try and summon Tennes by placing a vote on him

Vote Tennes

Wow.. crazy cross-post at same time I was posting.

Vote Korvalain: Upon review, he just seems a bit too clever and like he knows more or has more power. Plus he just dropped a vote on me!

Tennes, on May 6 2009, 04:18 PM, said:

Back to the real world for a few hours.

[Ampelas]

I've been looking at Emurlahn, as I said I would. He has 13 posts so far - the latest being the vote on D'riss. He started off by a vote on Telas for rhyming, which he then removed when the rhyming stopped. Then he voted Shadow for "odd play", if I understand his case post correctly. I get a distinct feeling he did not like the attention D'riss got.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

OK, I'm really struggling to digest everything at the moment. Accusations are flying left and right and I'm not on top form right now, which makes it harder for me to get all the different cases straight in my head.

What I will say is that I found Shadow's behaviour a little suspicious earlier in the day. D'riss made an argument about not reading too much into accusations of players being paired, which to my mind is a good one, and Shadow immediately jumped on him for discussing Inno mechanics. It just seemed like he was trying to force there to be a reason for attacking D'riss, which to my mind is a little scummy.

As for D'riss himself, he has definitely been pretty nebulous with some of his posts. And I can see someone hiding behind vagueness as a defence. I'm just trying to decide whether his general reaction to his situation fits with that of a scum. I tend to expect scum to be a lot more bothered when the votes start to mount a little (when they're in the 1/3 to 1/2 pf the required amount range) - go for the aggressive defence, that sort of thing. I haven't really seen any of that from D'riss.

I'm going to go with my instincts for the moment and put a vote on Shadow, because aside from the incident I've mentioned above I find his play to be somewhat odd. I need to mull over D'riss a little more and try and absorb the rest of the argument a little better (I've got a headache coming on, it's not going to be easy sad.gif), so this is by no means a final decision on my part.

Vote Shadow


EDIT: Crosspost with lots of people switching to D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

Hmm, OK, so now that last post of mine sticks out like a sore thumb and makes it look like a diversion. *sigh* I shall have to look at D'riss rather more quickly than I'd hoped sad.gif

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Oh, FFS, you people are suckers.

A last minute Code?

If he was really a Paired Inno, he and his partner would've coded long before the last few hours of Day, if they had the slightest shred of intelligence. And neither of them would have done it in the goddamned open.

I was only about 50% he was scum before, now I'm convinced by this little gimmick. I'm also more convinced then ever about Meanas, Gamelon, and Galain being in the same camp. You all threw a fit and did your best to distract when three votes cropped up on D'riss, and you're suddenly jumping on and then off the train at the last second? No, nothing the least bit suspicious there.

While I agree that the code is fishy and not at all a good reason for the situation to change, I find the way you're throwing accusations around here a little dodgy too. It's day 1, people aren't especially convinced by the D'riss case. If something like this were to happen tomorrow, say, I think I'd be a bit more inclined to agree with your reasoning, but you have to expect uncertainty at this stage. It kind of feeds in to the unease I felt about you earlier.


EDIT: Crosspost with D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

Gek. You know what, D'riss is annoying me now. I don't see why an inno would try and jerk us around like this - it doesn't help with catching the killers at all. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a last gasp scum play.

Remove Vote
Vote D'riss

That feeling I get of him not liking the attention D'riss got is all, which isn't much at all. Silanah, you said you had made a case on Emurlahn, maybe you can point out what it was you saw, because I don't see it.

[Omtose]

Just wanted to add to my post above - I'm voting Tennes because his play smacks of scum who's stifled and doesn't know what to post, so he summarises and then disappears. We've all been there and done that.

[Silanah]

Last minute scramble is, iirc, me, Ampelas, Omtose, and Kessobahn. Only Kessobahn didn't rejoin the train.

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

I've been looking at Emurlahn, as I said I would. He has 13 posts so far - the latest being the vote on D'riss. He started off by a vote on Telas for rhyming, which he then removed when the rhyming stopped. Then he voted Shadow for "odd play", if I understand his case post correctly. I get a distinct feeling he did not like the attention D'riss got.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

OK, I'm really struggling to digest everything at the moment. Accusations are flying left and right and I'm not on top form right now, which makes it harder for me to get all the different cases straight in my head.

What I will say is that I found Shadow's behaviour a little suspicious earlier in the day. D'riss made an argument about not reading too much into accusations of players being paired, which to my mind is a good one, and Shadow immediately jumped on him for discussing Inno mechanics. It just seemed like he was trying to force there to be a reason for attacking D'riss, which to my mind is a little scummy.

As for D'riss himself, he has definitely been pretty nebulous with some of his posts. And I can see someone hiding behind vagueness as a defence. I'm just trying to decide whether his general reaction to his situation fits with that of a scum. I tend to expect scum to be a lot more bothered when the votes start to mount a little (when they're in the 1/3 to 1/2 pf the required amount range) - go for the aggressive defence, that sort of thing. I haven't really seen any of that from D'riss.

I'm going to go with my instincts for the moment and put a vote on Shadow, because aside from the incident I've mentioned above I find his play to be somewhat odd. I need to mull over D'riss a little more and try and absorb the rest of the argument a little better (I've got a headache coming on, it's not going to be easy sad.gif), so this is by no means a final decision on my part.

Vote Shadow


EDIT: Crosspost with lots of people switching to D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

Hmm, OK, so now that last post of mine sticks out like a sore thumb and makes it look like a diversion. *sigh* I shall have to look at D'riss rather more quickly than I'd hoped sad.gif

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Oh, FFS, you people are suckers.

A last minute Code?

If he was really a Paired Inno, he and his partner would've coded long before the last few hours of Day, if they had the slightest shred of intelligence. And neither of them would have done it in the goddamned open.

I was only about 50% he was scum before, now I'm convinced by this little gimmick. I'm also more convinced then ever about Meanas, Gamelon, and Galain being in the same camp. You all threw a fit and did your best to distract when three votes cropped up on D'riss, and you're suddenly jumping on and then off the train at the last second? No, nothing the least bit suspicious there.

While I agree that the code is fishy and not at all a good reason for the situation to change, I find the way you're throwing accusations around here a little dodgy too. It's day 1, people aren't especially convinced by the D'riss case. If something like this were to happen tomorrow, say, I think I'd be a bit more inclined to agree with your reasoning, but you have to expect uncertainty at this stage. It kind of feeds in to the unease I felt about you earlier.


EDIT: Crosspost with D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

Gek. You know what, D'riss is annoying me now. I don't see why an inno would try and jerk us around like this - it doesn't help with catching the killers at all. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a last gasp scum play.

Remove Vote
Vote D'riss

That feeling I get of him not liking the attention D'riss got is all, which isn't much at all. Silanah, you said you had made a case on Emurlahn, maybe you can point out what it was you saw, because I don't see it.

I didn't so much as make a case as feel a bit oddly about him after looking over his posts... This post above kinda clarifies things though... I think the feeling I got from him was that it was a bit like he was subtly symping D'riss. His content seemed for the most part related to D'riss, after all, and he only jumped on the train when it was obvious D'riss was going down.

[Ampelas]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

I didn't so much as make a case as feel a bit oddly about him after looking over his posts... This post above kinda clarifies things though... I think the feeling I got from him was that it was a bit like he was subtly symping D'riss. His content seemed for the most part related to D'riss, after all, and he only jumped on the train when it was obvious D'riss was going down.

Fair enough, but what do you make of it now?

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

I didn't so much as make a case as feel a bit oddly about him after looking over his posts... This post above kinda clarifies things though... I think the feeling I got from him was that it was a bit like he was subtly symping D'riss. His content seemed for the most part related to D'riss, after all, and he only jumped on the train when it was obvious D'riss was going down.

Fair enough, but what do you make of it now?

I dunno, really. It doesn't stink of scum, it may just be an attempt to protect an inno... He was the hammer, which suggests a certain amount of reluctance.
I've got an idea of what might have happened/what was going on, but I can't bring it up on thread, so I'm gonna have to wait for SH to see if I was right. Either way, it doesn't impact on the game now.