Decided to take a look at Galain, because he hadn't really garnered any attention from anyone up to this point. Fairly early on, I find this Day 1 quote, which makes me very suspicious:
Galain, on May 4 2009, 05:52 PM, said:
Omtose, on May 4 2009, 07:48 PM, said:
I'm bored. And hungry. And angry. And hungry.
Just admit you killed his father and we can get this over with
There is a classic syndrome of dropping hints about your role into the Day 1 RPing, happens to the best of us. This could very easily be construed as one of those - so now I'm looking at the rest of Galain's posts with the possibility in the back of my mind that he could quite easily be Count Rugen.
Galain, on May 5 2009, 09:03 AM, said:
Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:57 AM, said:
@Galain, I agree that Korv's posts made a minor stirring of th ants nest. Kesso's response seemed a little WTF, which strikes me as an overreaction. Just for info's sake, why do you think a Silanah vote is the way to go at the moment?
Well, there's time, and I'm around for a while.
If this reasonning is true and there's something there, then the one to vote for is Silanah.
I'm not sure killers would make WTF reactions towards a random vote on a inno.
Then again, killers sometimes thing too hard before posting to sound "normal" and come up off, so it's possible.
Galain, on May 7 2009, 06:14 PM, said:
Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 08:07 PM, said:
Read this. I ci'ed Liosan. So did Silanah. If I was scum, why would I CI an inno? Guess what, Tellan is scum. No more from me on that,
The only difference between you and Tellan is that Tellan didn't go from "SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!" to "ERR NO INNO! INNO! INNO" for no reason I can picture, and I have imagination, believe me.
And the killers can CI all the innos if they want, they will always turn out to be right.
Compare the underlined sections in these two posts - the first is from Day 1, the second from Day 3. To my mind, they appear to be complete opposites in tone. In the first, he is cautious and hesitant about making a pronouncement about how scum operate, but in the second, he is brash and knowing. In one, he is ruling out a reaction as scummy, in the other he is doing the opposite. Add to that, I get a similar "I'm actually sneakily talking about myself, hehe!" vibe from the first one in particular.
Galain, on May 5 2009, 02:58 PM, said:
I have to go, I'm a bit disappointed by Silanah's recent posts, I was waiting for him to see if I should keep my vote.
My case is around and not hard to follow, but for those who only skim (quite a few, it seems)
1) D'riss over-reaction to a semi-joke vote by Korvalain on Silanah, as if he felt he needed to "diffuse" the pressure quickly
2) Kessobahn saying "innos have lovers too", as if the "partner" case had any validity. It's like he knew that Silanah had a partner indeed and tried to defend him by saying "Err, well, he's paired, but so are some innos, right?". That Kesso post was bizarre, then he disappeared.
3) Someone once said "Vote D'riss, though I'm less suspicious of Silanah". I have no idea what it means, but once again someone feels the need to mention Silanah is less suspicious for some reason, as if he ever really was.
That's it and all, maybe it's all wrong interpretations and nothing but coincidences and akward wordings, but that's what I saw until now.
Will be back soon.
Galain started off by going for Silanah. However, his case was not based on anything Silanah himself said, but rather symp clues from others. Doing it this way allows him to have a strong opinion on something to avoid 'middle of the road' accusations, makes it difficult for Silanah to defend himself, and gives him plenty of plausible deniability when Silanah comes up inno.
Galain, on May 6 2009, 06:19 AM, said:
Once again, Kessobahn "summarized" the case on Silanah as "he said he had a partner", which is getting annoying. At this point, he can't be that slow, I think it's purposeful misinformation.
With D'riss being inno, it does not convince me I could be wrong about Silanah, since in my interpretation he's possibly a symp. And his fake-coding to save his ass at the end can NOT be the work of a (well-playing) town.
To my feelings about Silanah, I will add his recent 10-15 posts. These are quite high-quality, and I can't believe they come from the same player that once posted "I won't read the thread, you guys tell me what happened". Either there's two different players playing that alt, or he tried a lazy "I'm afraid to betray my scumminess by mistake so you guys tell me what is being said so I can repeat".
Anyways, lots of information to assimilate, so I wont vote yet.
Here Galain continues his case on Silanah. Once again, he is using evidence that is very difficult for Silanah to defend against (no idea how I would respond to such an accusation), though personally I didn't see a tremendous difference, nor do I think such a difference is inherently suspicious given the difference in mentality you have to have on Days 1 and 2.
Galain, on May 6 2009, 06:10 AM, said:
Path-Shaper, on May 6 2009, 12:54 AM, said:
Meanas (Khellendros) is dead. He was of the town.
Telas (Morgoth45) is dead. He was of the town.
and for all you smart-asses: town has the same alignment as inno wink.gif
... TMDI 2, that can't be anything else than a night 1 inno vig.
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This is Galain's reaction to the results of the night scene. Seems to me it would be in the killer's best interest to keep people thinking that there's only 1 NK per night for as long as possible. But when you look at the numbers, with only 1 NK this would be a LOOOONG game. And in light of last night's scene, I think we can safely say there are in fact 2 NKs per night in play. Keeping up this stance allows him to get on his soapbox (see below):
Galain, on May 6 2009, 08:22 AM, said:
I'll make a little lecture for the sake of self-improvement, if you don't like it sue me tongue.gif
Whoever used his vig last night, that was bad play.
There a specific situations in a game where a vig is needed, and testing a day 1 hunch is definitely NOT one of them. If that was made for personnal fulfillment, that was nasty play. If that was made for fear of getting NKed and not using the kill, that was pointless, there's no penalty for a vig to die with his vig unused.
Now we're triple-fucked:
- We're not sure which of the NK was from the killers unless you reveal, but unlike what Silanah said, DON'T yet
- Your target was inno, and might have been roled.
- We lost your vig if we need it later.
Anyways, I'm assuming this was a vig due to TMDI 2. Also, we do have young players around so I'm angry per se, but it's been bugging me so I felt like saying that.
Which reinforces his belief of there only being 1 NK whilst simultaneously allowing him to fearmonger about the possibility of having lost roled players.
Anywho, the Role PM fiasco comes around, and he decides that it gives him the fodder to chase after someone else. After all, he can't really chase after Silanah any more. So he latches onto Korvalain. There are quite a few posts of his doing this, so I won't bother to quote any of them.
Galain, on May 7 2009, 12:27 PM, said:
Gamelon, on May 7 2009, 12:56 PM, said:
vote korvalain
i dont even think i am going to say anything else today.
As much as I admire Gamelon's balls of steel in the face of slaughter and approve this particular sentiment, I think it's warranted to discuss the 3 kills.
Unless we have a posse of epileptic vigs out there, it seems the killer team have more than one kill, possibly up to three. Now, I can't imagine that if there's 3 killers they all have a separate kill unless it's made that they don't know of each other. TMDI discussions aside, that would mean that looking at the game in the term of "association/dissociation/defense" etc makes no sense. For all we know, the killers have been at each other's throats on thread at some point.
That makes it very hard for us, I guess we have to rely on "general scumminess" and hope that they kill one another by chance at some point. And as for "general scumminess", for me today it's also Korvalain.
Speaking of which
Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 01:40 PM, said:
Gamelon, on May 7 2009, 05:56 AM, said:
vote korvalain
i dont even think i am going to say anything else today.
hey dumb ass. Tellan is still alive I cied Liosan
Wat?
So realising that he can't try to convince people of there only being 1 NK anymore, he decides to use it to instead attempt to dissuade people from looking for connections between players to try and sniff out scum.
In summary, I feel as though a lot of Galain's behaviour can be construed as scummy. From the talking about oneself in early RP to subtly trying to drag the game away from looking properly for killers, it seems like there is plenty of suspicious stuff going on in there. Enough so that I'm going to
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Vote Galain
EDIT: Many posts were crossed in the making of this case.
This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 07 May 2009 - 09:29 PM
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