[Fener]

P. 2

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Silanah, I'd say we can't know, or even presume, that there are only 1 killer. I agree that a vig and a kill is more likely, but is a comment about 2 killers a lead? I'm not so sure. There could very well be two killers, and assuming that there's only 1 is only gonna benefit the scums.


Edit: grammar

Waits for someone else to bring up mechanics, then introduces his idea.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

To answer your question, Sil, I don't remember much about Emurlahn. I will need to read up on him.

Nothing.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

That Meanas have fingered nearly everyone is interesting. It could be a scum tactic.

Could be.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 12:20 PM, said:

I've been looking at Emurlahn, as I said I would. He has 13 posts so far - the latest being the vote on D'riss. He started off by a vote on Telas for rhyming, which he then removed when the rhyming stopped. Then he voted Shadow for "odd play", if I understand his case post correctly. I get a distinct feeling he did not like the attention D'riss got.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

OK, I'm really struggling to digest everything at the moment. Accusations are flying left and right and I'm not on top form right now, which makes it harder for me to get all the different cases straight in my head.

What I will say is that I found Shadow's behaviour a little suspicious earlier in the day. D'riss made an argument about not reading too much into accusations of players being paired, which to my mind is a good one, and Shadow immediately jumped on him for discussing Inno mechanics. It just seemed like he was trying to force there to be a reason for attacking D'riss, which to my mind is a little scummy.

As for D'riss himself, he has definitely been pretty nebulous with some of his posts. And I can see someone hiding behind vagueness as a defence. I'm just trying to decide whether his general reaction to his situation fits with that of a scum. I tend to expect scum to be a lot more bothered when the votes start to mount a little (when they're in the 1/3 to 1/2 pf the required amount range) - go for the aggressive defence, that sort of thing. I haven't really seen any of that from D'riss.

I'm going to go with my instincts for the moment and put a vote on Shadow, because aside from the incident I've mentioned above I find his play to be somewhat odd. I need to mull over D'riss a little more and try and absorb the rest of the argument a little better (I've got a headache coming on, it's not going to be easy sad.gif), so this is by no means a final decision on my part.

Vote Shadow


EDIT: Crosspost with lots of people switching to D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

Hmm, OK, so now that last post of mine sticks out like a sore thumb and makes it look like a diversion. *sigh* I shall have to look at D'riss rather more quickly than I'd hoped sad.gif

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Oh, FFS, you people are suckers.

A last minute Code?

If he was really a Paired Inno, he and his partner would've coded long before the last few hours of Day, if they had the slightest shred of intelligence. And neither of them would have done it in the goddamned open.

I was only about 50% he was scum before, now I'm convinced by this little gimmick. I'm also more convinced then ever about Meanas, Gamelon, and Galain being in the same camp. You all threw a fit and did your best to distract when three votes cropped up on D'riss, and you're suddenly jumping on and then off the train at the last second? No, nothing the least bit suspicious there.

While I agree that the code is fishy and not at all a good reason for the situation to change, I find the way you're throwing accusations around here a little dodgy too. It's day 1, people aren't especially convinced by the D'riss case. If something like this were to happen tomorrow, say, I think I'd be a bit more inclined to agree with your reasoning, but you have to expect uncertainty at this stage. It kind of feeds in to the unease I felt about you earlier.


EDIT: Crosspost with D'riss.

Emurlahn, on May 5 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

Gek. You know what, D'riss is annoying me now. I don't see why an inno would try and jerk us around like this - it doesn't help with catching the killers at all. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a last gasp scum play.

Remove Vote
Vote D'riss

That feeling I get of him not liking the attention D'riss got is all, which isn't much at all. Silanah, you said you had made a case on Emurlahn, maybe you can point out what it was you saw, because I don't see it.

Here's at least some input, but he is fairly wishy/washy about it.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 12:34 PM, said:

Guess we have that sorted out for now. I'm going out for a while, so I'll be back later.


Edit: cross post!

There he goes.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I've caught up and I'm going to vote for Serc. Pointing out someone as a power inno role is bad bad play. First it's not a good reason to want to point them out to other power roles, it just doesn't make sense. Second he's a liability since he might do it again. Thirdly there's no 'noob' excuse for it, in fact, if he even implies that he's an noob, he should be lynched right away. No noob card is played here. Ever. My scum radar is pinging all over the place.

vote Serc

If Serc happens to be correct, it's even worse, right now I am hoping he was gunning for someone he thought was an easy target.

And here he comes! With an instant vote on Serc after Shadow and Silanah got the train started.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

How can you, and therefore, others have a very good reason for the vote, and then not see it as an easy lynch? That's confusing.

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Incorrect Kessobahn, it's a very good lynch choice, and I have at least 3 very good reasons for it. That's not what I would call an easy lynch.

you have reasons, Silanah has reasons, Shadow has reasons... how is it not an easy lynch?
whilst i'm not saying Serc's actions don't warrant any attention (I agree that his statement was a foolish thing to do, and it will probably get him lynched), I can't help but look at those people who draw the most attention to it, trying to set his lynch in stone for today, instead of putting some efort in looing elsewhere.

But then again, i'm already thinking you are scum, aren't I?

That would certain be a problem for you, especially since you are wrong. Secondly I don't mind looking elsewhere, and I am, but Serc is my choice at the moment.


Edit: wrong about me being scum, for clarification.

I haven't exactly seen him looking elsewhere. He voted on a case, confusedly defended it, and then bailed.

I just don't like the play-style. He only takes action after someone else has done so, making very sure someone else would get the attention for acting first. It's an attempt at not rocking the boat and fitting in. Something in the D'riss lynch stunk, and its my bet that Ampelas is the cause.

This post has been edited by Fener: 07 May 2009 - 05:54 PM

[Serc]

Kessobahn, on May 7 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

serc, no offence, but wtf kind of answer is that?
seriously, the way you say "townies" it's almost like you're not town yourself.

gah.

God damn I can't say ten fucking words without making people go googoo eyed. I'M TOWN.

edit: whole thing was written in the outside-of-body sense, like Bob Dole talking about himself.

edit 2: cross post of epic proportions. Jesus Fener did you have all that typed out and ready to go?

This post has been edited by Serc: 07 May 2009 - 05:57 PM

[Kessobahn]

erm... fener, dear?

look, like 30 posts back before your case

[Fener]

Lol, I was reading through and thought, "well, there goes the novelty on that idea." But, I'll be damned if I'm going to waste something I put time and thought into! Plus, people were asking for it, and I aim to please.

On a different note, I'm going to watch Star Trek tonight... I'm hoping it doesn't suck.

[Galain]

Yes, but was yours underlined


For the record, I agree with these cases on Ampelas.


edit: crosspost

This post has been edited by Galain: 07 May 2009 - 06:00 PM

[Serc]

Funny thing about the two recent cases on Ampelas is that I actually had KIND of a case on him, but I disagree mostly on the basis that while he is clearly cruising, he played REALLY aggressively for scum in trying to vote me. IGMEOHim but I actually think there's a case to be made of low-poster Tennes or agreeable-poster Anomandaris.

edit xpost: make that 2 cases and 1 I agree with these cases, LOL.

This post has been edited by Serc: 07 May 2009 - 06:02 PM

[Fener]

@Serc: I saved it last night to a word document, rather than keep my ghetto tab open. I had planned on posting it today when I joined (the whole not going to waste it sentiment again).

[Emurlahn]

So, that's two separate cases on Ampelas. I can see the logic there - when I first saw Ampelas' vote on Serc, it stuck out a bit to me too. The momentum of the initial backlash against Serc's pronouncement had died down somewhat by that point, which meant that it appeared to come out of the blue. Thing was, his defence of his vote (about how it was not just him jumping on the train) threw me off the scent a little bit. But now I look at it again and it's not quite as convincing as it was when I first read it...

Vote Ampelas

[Omtose]

I'm kind of all out of ideas. There seems to be a lot of people not playing the game, or at least doing very little.

Tennes has had, what, 4 posts this entire game? I may switch back to voting him if he doesn't post sometime tonight.

remove vote

I'll be back on in an hour or so.

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on May 7 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

So, that's two separate cases on Ampelas. I can see the logic there - when I first saw Ampelas' vote on Serc, it stuck out a bit to me too. The momentum of the initial backlash against Serc's pronouncement had died down somewhat by that point, which meant that it appeared to come out of the blue. Thing was, his defence of his vote (about how it was not just him jumping on the train) threw me off the scent a little bit. But now I look at it again and it's not quite as convincing as it was when I first read it...

Vote Ampelas

I see the logic but nothing has really swayed me. Maybe a bit of pressure on him will shed light.

[Emurlahn]

Omtose, on May 7 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 7 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

So, that's two separate cases on Ampelas. I can see the logic there - when I first saw Ampelas' vote on Serc, it stuck out a bit to me too. The momentum of the initial backlash against Serc's pronouncement had died down somewhat by that point, which meant that it appeared to come out of the blue. Thing was, his defence of his vote (about how it was not just him jumping on the train) threw me off the scent a little bit. But now I look at it again and it's not quite as convincing as it was when I first read it...

Vote Ampelas

I see the logic but nothing has really swayed me. Maybe a bit of pressure on him will shed light.

That's what I was hoping.

[Kessobahn]

thing that gets me th most is how abruptly he changed his tone as soon as Day 1 ended.
I'd really like him to explain that.

[Serc]

I did a reread of Anomandaris and Tennes and have come to the conclusion that neither is that likely of being scum, but Tennes seems MORE likely of the two. I'll post my thoughts if you want, but I don't want to end up talking too much.... again.

That said, as I said, neither one is all that scummy.

[Fener]

Well, it'd take a Mafia god to make a believable case out of 5 posts.

[Serc]

I'm not really on board with the Ampelas vote, but there just don't appear to be many good targets right now.

Low posters are a solid point in Day 3, I think. Who are our lowest posters right now other than Hood's Path and Tennes?

edit: Or just tell me how to do a quick post count and I can look it up. I'm looking for 10 or less posts probably.

This post has been edited by Serc: 07 May 2009 - 06:20 PM

[Kessobahn]

rashan and Mockra?

also, Amp has 30 posts, which is fairly "low"

[Kessobahn]

for a post count, go to the mafia baord and click on the number of posts next to the thread name.

[Rashan]

I'm probably the other low poster, but I try to get content when I post.

I'm not really sure about the Amp vote, I'd like to see his reaction but until then I want to look around and see if anything pops out at me.

As for Tennes, I agree that it would have to be a mafia god to get info there but I'm pretty sure he is inno.


I've got about 10 minutes here (and I'm sorry for that) but I've been packing all morning and about to drive 4/5 hours to get home since the semester is over. I'll be free to post more frequently then.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 27 hours and 20 minutes remaining

17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Tellan, Tennes

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

2 votes for Ampelas: ( Kessobahn, Emurlahn )
1 vote for Tellan: ( Korvalain )
2 votes for Korvalain: ( Gamelon, Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Tellan, Tennes

[Fener]

I'll put my money where my mouth is. Something stinks with the Tellan/Korv situation, as others have noted. But I am too dense to understand it at this point. Ego blow there.

Vote Ampelas