[Omtose]

I know I still don't like shadow, if nothing else he is a huge distraction. I also don't view him as being in the clear, had telas not come out with that reveal we would have been looking mcuh more closely at him. I still think there is someone we're not looking at though in the low poster group, or that we have just dismissed. I'm also not sure what to think about Serc, partly becasue I still can't figure out what the hell Gem was doing with that blow up! It seems too obvious to name your partner, but then I think well maybe that's what she wanted us to think, and was aiming for us to not take her serisously. It would allow Serc to operate freely, I could be wrong of course, it's just that the whole Meanas/Gem thing was so bizzare!

[Ampelas]

Damn, I gotta sleep. Sorry I couldn't be back on, but Rl's a bitch. I'll be back before day would time out, please don't lynch anyone without me.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 10 hours and 22 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

[Serc]

I'm back, is anyone else here? Like I said before, tomorrow is D-day. Hitting scum today would be honest, but to be honest we dont have much on anyone at this point. The general consensus is that there have always been paired killers, which I agree with. Scared to base my whole strategy on that, but we need to start making some hard decisions, there's only 10 hours on the clock.

If there's paired players, it means the players investigated by Telas cant have been killer A. It's unknown if there is a killer B, but if we look for someone who was a killer with Tennes then we can lower the suspect pool a little. So that makes:

Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan.

Obviously I'm gonna take myself of the list too, but you guys are welcome to keep looking at me.

Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan.

Now the next couple are maybes for me. Nothing that Omtose has done CI's her, but of all the people here, she strikes me a the least likely to be scum. Korlat and Tellan both professed to be RI and offered to take a modkill because they had so little time. Now it's incredibly WIFOM, especially considering the fact that they're still alive, but I'm going to take those statements at something resembling face-value.

That only leaves Gamelon and Shadow.

So my suspect list at the moment is:

Gam and Shadow
Korlat
Tellan
Omtose

Gonna do a reread of Gam a little later, have to do some work for a bit now.

[Korlat]

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

[Ruse]

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

Do you have anything more to go on? I mean you've pretty much been coasting so a gut feeling isn't really a case.

[Serc]

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

If there's only one killer left, D-Day is when there are four people left - the day after tomorrow. Tomorrow is d-day if there are two.

If we assume there were paired killers, then if there's only one killer left he had to already be a killer when Tennes was alive. If there's two left then Amp or Ruse might have been a symp that got promoted, so we will have to look at them if we hit a killer and the game doesnt end.

Like I said before, I'm loath to dismiss people based on a theory we dont have any concrete proof for, but the suspect pool is very big and noone has been particularly scummy. The only way we could know for fact that the killers were paired was if Ano's partner had guarded Tennes at some point. Considering how little suspicion he was under before Telas's reveal I doubt that happened.

[Gamelon]

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

The problem with Omtose is that he is on position three or four of the people 'to have a look at', somewhere behind Shadow's formidable bulk and one or two tohers who could well be the lynch of the day. So, I tell myself each time that he is on the radar and that that means something. But of course, it means also he is a slippery one because other priorities get in the way every single time and there hasn't been a case on him yet iirc.

@ Serc: if you are a member of town, well, I can see this list as a good point to start with. The problem is, I know I'm RI, so how close to losing will this list of yours bring us if we decide wrongly?
Shadow's alignment is of course a very big question mark, has been the entire game, but that aside: if you were scum, then your list and the pressure you build here with your D-day stuff is a very good way to make sure no-one will pay a lot of attention to yourself or your (fellow?) killers by including them in other positions on the list. I mean, Omtose, Tellan and Korlat could be killers, but you move them rather magnimaciously away from the spotlight, based on what?

I have alt-guessed Tellan as well straight from the start, and he may not ramp up posts like usual, but the 110+ he did get in in still no mean feat, asking for modkill or no. If I don't like one thing, it is generosity at this point in the game and you are being generous right now, by trying to portray a ranking system of probable guilt.

I had you down as the most probable fellow inno, but your post is tickling me in unpleasant ways.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 30 April 2009 - 09:13 AM

[Serc]

Gamelon, on Apr 30 2009, 11:12 AM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

The problem with Omtose is that he is on position three or four of the people 'to have a look at', somewhere behind Shadow's formidable bulk and one or two tohers who could well be the lynch of the day. So, I tell myself each time that he is on the radar and that that means something. But of course, it means also he is a slippery one because other priorities get in the way every single time and there hasn't been a case on him yet iirc.

@ Serc: if you are a member of town, well, I can see this list as a good point to start with. The problem is, I know I'm RI, so how close to losing will this list of yours bring us if we decide wrongly?
Shadow's alignment is of course a very big question mark, has been the entire game, but that aside: if you were scum, then your list and the pressure you build here with your D-day stuff is a very good way to make sure no-one will pay a lot of attention to yourself or your (fellow?) killers by including them in other positions on the list. I mean, Omtose, Tellan and Korlat could be killers, but you move them rather magnimaciously away from the spotlight, based on what?

I have alt-guessed Tellan as well straight from the start, and he may not ramp up posts like usual, but the 110+ he did get in in still no mean feat, asking for modkill or no. If I don't like one thing, it is generosity at this point in the game and you are being generous right now, by trying to portray a ranking system of probable guilt.

I had you down as the most probable fellow inno, but your post is tickling me in unpleasant ways.

I dont want to sound like I'm trying to pressure people, the fact of the matter is we have two or three days left in the game and I wanted to make sure people are aware of what the stakes are. I'm far from writing off Tellan and Korlat. Like I said, I'm just trying to reduce the suspect pool from 7 down to a number that we can focus on a little more easily. Taking what they said at face value is one way of doing that. I dont particularly like doing so, but there's so little actual info on them I dont really know what else to do. I know that at this stage everyone is obviously gonna claim RI, and all but one or two of them will be lying... And Omtose is just gut really, if they're a killer they've played really well and I'm gonna feel like an idiot later. If I had to put some sort of scale on it, I would say:

You and Shadow (for being the most unknown) - 6
Korlat and Tennes - 5
Omtose - 4

I'm not sure of anything, which is why I havent pushed for a lynch on anyone or even dropped a vote yet. If someone else can find something convincing on any of those people (or if they can convince me there's only ever been one killer, on Ruse and Amp) then I will go with it. Noone's come up with anything yet though and with only 8 hours left now (I think) we have to do something. That's my viewpoint. It's not much and the fact that it's based on some assumptions that we havent been able to prove one way or another makes me uneasy, but it's the best I could come up with.

Edit - I am maybe being a little generous yes, but not much. Like I said, I'm still looking at all five of those people; while I did rank them, I dont think my original post really showed how closely they ranked...

This post has been edited by Serc: 30 April 2009 - 09:46 AM

[Korlat]

Serc, on Apr 30 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Apr 30 2009, 11:12 AM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

The problem with Omtose is that he is on position three or four of the people 'to have a look at', somewhere behind Shadow's formidable bulk and one or two tohers who could well be the lynch of the day. So, I tell myself each time that he is on the radar and that that means something. But of course, it means also he is a slippery one because other priorities get in the way every single time and there hasn't been a case on him yet iirc.

@ Serc: if you are a member of town, well, I can see this list as a good point to start with. The problem is, I know I'm RI, so how close to losing will this list of yours bring us if we decide wrongly?
Shadow's alignment is of course a very big question mark, has been the entire game, but that aside: if you were scum, then your list and the pressure you build here with your D-day stuff is a very good way to make sure no-one will pay a lot of attention to yourself or your (fellow?) killers by including them in other positions on the list. I mean, Omtose, Tellan and Korlat could be killers, but you move them rather magnimaciously away from the spotlight, based on what?

I have alt-guessed Tellan as well straight from the start, and he may not ramp up posts like usual, but the 110+ he did get in in still no mean feat, asking for modkill or no. If I don't like one thing, it is generosity at this point in the game and you are being generous right now, by trying to portray a ranking system of probable guilt.

I had you down as the most probable fellow inno, but your post is tickling me in unpleasant ways.

I dont want to sound like I'm trying to pressure people, the fact of the matter is we have two or three days left in the game and I wanted to make sure people are aware of what the stakes are. I'm far from writing off Tellan and Korlat. Like I said, I'm just trying to reduce the suspect pool from 7 down to a number that we can focus on a little more easily. Taking what they said at face value is one way of doing that. I dont particularly like doing so, but there's so little actual info on them I dont really know what else to do. I know that at this stage everyone is obviously gonna claim RI, and all but one or two of them will be lying... And Omtose is just gut really, if they're a killer they've played really well and I'm gonna feel like an idiot later. If I had to put some sort of scale on it, I would say:

You and Shadow (for being the most unknown) - 6
Korlat and Tennes - 5
Omtose - 4

I'm not sure of anything, which is why I havent pushed for a lynch on anyone or even dropped a vote yet. If someone else can find something convincing on any of those people (or if they can convince me there's only ever been one killer, on Ruse and Amp) then I will go with it. Noone's come up with anything yet though and with only 8 hours left now (I think) we have to do something. That's my viewpoint. It's not much and the fact that it's based on some assumptions that we havent been able to prove one way or another makes me uneasy, but it's the best I could come up with.

Edit - I am maybe being a little generous yes, but not much. Like I said, I'm still looking at all five of those people; while I did rank them, I dont think my original post really showed how closely they ranked...

Ummmm.... getting a little mixed up about your master there?

[Shadow]

Hello, sorry I haven't been around. I'm not sure how much time we have left, but this is actually just a quick post to say I won't be around for 2-4 hours, as I'm teaching a class and then have a meeting. I'm around for about a half hour now, but then I have to be off.

Not sure what to add, will try and read up a bit. Tellan's been quite quiet recently, but as someone said, could really be RL stuff. It's been very hard to keep away from meta and WIFOM in this game.

[Shadow]

Personally, the people I'm most hesistant to suspect are Ampelas, Korlat, and Serc. Korlat and Ampelas because Tennes expressed suspicions of both of them, and Ampelas again and Serc because they both did highlight Tennes and took a look at them - though they didn't come back with anything, but then no one did till our finder came along. The Korlat thing though is on slightly shakier ground, because Korlat could have been a symp at the time, which Tennes would not have know when they expressed suspicion. Of course, on the other hand, if Korlat was a symp, they were doing a shit job of it.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 5 hours and 27 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

[Ruse]

Serc, on Apr 30 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

If there's only one killer left, D-Day is when there are four people left - the day after tomorrow. Tomorrow is d-day if there are two.

If we assume there were paired killers, then if there's only one killer left he had to already be a killer when Tennes was alive. If there's two left then Amp or Ruse might have been a symp that got promoted, so we will have to look at them if we hit a killer and the game doesnt end.

Like I said before, I'm loath to dismiss people based on a theory we dont have any concrete proof for, but the suspect pool is very big and noone has been particularly scummy. The only way we could know for fact that the killers were paired was if Ano's partner had guarded Tennes at some point. Considering how little suspicion he was under before Telas's reveal I doubt that happened.

I see two slips in about as many hours that make me very curious. First, Korlat's name comes up on a couple people's radar today and he shows up and makes the post above. He points a finger at Omtose who is not super high on a lot of people's radar, at least not mine. Rather than making a case he goes with gut. His very first line is very strange, he assumes 1 killer but gets D-day wrong. Seems to me like he is trying to down play the number of killers but screwed up his D-day.

The second slip, Korlat points out actually, is Serc makes his list and instead of writing Tellan he writes Tennes. He meta defends him earlier in the day but when thinking about him on the list writes down the name of a scum?

[Shadow]

Right, I have to be off. As I said, hopefully back in a couple of hours, but may be longer. I'll deffo be back before the deadline.

[Korlat]

Im going off too and I won't be back before the deadline.
Leaving a vote on Omtose, I feel it is the best bet for today...
Vote Omtose

[Serc]

Ruse, on Apr 30 2009, 12:34 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 30 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 30 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

Finished reading up
I assume there is 1 killer left.. so a wrong lynch today and a wrong lynch tomorrow is the end.
We cannot take Amp and Ruse off the suspect list, they could easily be symps for Tennes who came up inno and are now killers.
Though for today, my suspicions are on Omtose... based on a gut feeling mainly, seems to be slipping past everyone

If there's only one killer left, D-Day is when there are four people left - the day after tomorrow. Tomorrow is d-day if there are two.

If we assume there were paired killers, then if there's only one killer left he had to already be a killer when Tennes was alive. If there's two left then Amp or Ruse might have been a symp that got promoted, so we will have to look at them if we hit a killer and the game doesnt end.

Like I said before, I'm loath to dismiss people based on a theory we dont have any concrete proof for, but the suspect pool is very big and noone has been particularly scummy. The only way we could know for fact that the killers were paired was if Ano's partner had guarded Tennes at some point. Considering how little suspicion he was under before Telas's reveal I doubt that happened.

I see two slips in about as many hours that make me very curious. First, Korlat's name comes up on a couple people's radar today and he shows up and makes the post above. He points a finger at Omtose who is not super high on a lot of people's radar, at least not mine. Rather than making a case he goes with gut. His very first line is very strange, he assumes 1 killer but gets D-day wrong. Seems to me like he is trying to down play the number of killers but screwed up his D-day.

The second slip, Korlat points out actually, is Serc makes his list and instead of writing Tellan he writes Tennes. He meta defends him earlier in the day but when thinking about him on the list writes down the name of a scum?

Got mixed up between Tellan and Tennes, sorry. I've written both names a lot lately, they sound damn near the same and I wrote that post in a rush. Meant to say Tellan (which I did like two posts above that), typed Tennes by mistake. It's not the first time it's happened, but usually I notice and fix before I post.

Korlat is giving me really bad vibes right now. Have to go again, will be back on 2-3 hours.

[Omtose]

I just woke up have to get ready for work. This Korlat case is bullshit and I have suspected him along with shadow as being possible scum for a while now. I would have to be more than just a little slippery to have evaded detection at this point. I've answered everything honestly and have been very vocal through out the game. If you want to present a decent case against me Korlat that's fine, I'll address it at that point. go find some quotes or show me where I've acted scummy. As I said guys I have to get ready for work, I will be back on in about an hour, just do me a favour and don't speed lynch me because I promise you I can clear myself should the need arise. We need a lynch today and can't afford to be distracted, I'm telling you right now that I'm not scum. I'm sure that's not going to help sway the people that think I ma, but please just keep looking at some other suspects and develop something. Back in an hour.

[Shadow]

Hey! Back before I thought I would be! I can't decide about Korlat. On the one hand, they've suddenly come over all threatening and decisive, and on the other, if they were scum, why would they go for Omtose? He's pretty much the strongest remaining player.

[Shadow]

Ok, let's have a think:

- Mockra was the first killer lynched. Therefore, he had to be the or one of the original killer(s).

- A symp then took Mockra's place, someone other than Meanas and possibly Kesso, and possibly D'riss.

- Tennes is the second killer lynched. Was he an original killer, or a symp before. We have no concrete proof, but I personally think he was an original killer, based on his style of play throughout which never became confrontational, was in the background, etc. Plus all the spamming during the RP phase feels now like he was really really trying to fit in.

- The question then is, did another symp take Tennes' place, or had we already lynched them all? If another did take Tennes' place, then I reckon we have two killers who both used to be symps. If they were all already got rid of, then there is only the symp who replaced Mockra left.

- Ruse and Ampelas were both found inno, as Serc mentioned, after Mockra's death, so they hadn't replaced him - though they could have replaced Tennes.

- Gamelon was found inno before the find on Mockra, so he, along with myself, Serc, Tellan, Omtose and Korlat, who were never investigated, could have replaced Mockra, and one of us did. Obviously, I remove myself from that list, which still leaves 5 others. That's a pretty big suspect pool.

Ok, since people have again been complaining about me muddying the waters, let me try and clear it up a bit.

We forget about Ruse and Ampelas for today, and we go for someone who had a chance of replacing Mockra.
Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Serc, Shadow, Tellan is your choice. As I've said before, I don't see Serc working with Tennes. I also think Omtose is either inno or the hardest-working evil in the history of mafia. I also know it's not me, though I can't prove it obviously. That, for me then, leaves Gamelon, Korlat, and Tellan. My vote will go on one of those three today.