[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 23 hours and 59 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

[Ampelas]

Afternoon all, going to a piano lesson back in an hour to catch up.

[Tellan]

good morning all

I know I said i'd be back 4 hours ago, but I went to bed late than expe`ted and i have a lot of trouble getting up early at home.

in other words, I just got up and got caught up on thread to see I've missed two lynches.

I think the fact that the killers have same CF (ben't bouncers) is making us think they were paired which blows my theory out the water.
Question: why do we think there is only one killer left? 4 scum seems too little in a 20 person game.

[Shadow]

Tellan, on Apr 29 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

good morning all

I know I said i'd be back 4 hours ago, but I went to bed late than expe`ted and i have a lot of trouble getting up early at home.

in other words, I just got up and got caught up on thread to see I've missed two lynches.

I think the fact that the killers have same CF (ben't bouncers) is making us think they were paired which blows my theory out the water.
Question: why do we think there is only one killer left? 4 scum seems too little in a 20 person game.

Yes, but when you think about the fact that symps become killers upon the latter's death it evens things up a bit....Anyway, a pair of killers, but with more than 2 symps starting off, seems reasonable.

2 killers down, and deffo at least one symp (and probably two with Kesso). I would think it unlikely there is more than two scum left, but that's as far as I'm willing to take my theories on evil numbers.

[Serc]

And I'm back. Gonna do a reread of Tennes and see what I can see - I agree two more scum seems likely, maybe one if we're lucky.

[Serc]

These are the three recent posts of Tennes that stand out the most for me:

Tennes, on Apr 28 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

The biggest thing that has stood out for me is the fact that other then Fener it has mostly been the quieter players who have died. That to me suggests a killer or killers who are among the higher posters and are targeting people who irritate them the low posters. I also find it strange that Emu was under so much suspicion earlier and now has totally faded into the back ground. When I get time next I am going to do a reread of his posts and see if anything pops out.

When killers talk about their own strategy it always raises huge WIFOM questions. Did he say something like this to mislead us? Or was he trying to appear more inno by giving up a bit of information that costs nothing?

Tennes, on Apr 29 2009, 04:38 AM, said:

I just got caught up and was going to post the same thing. It is the only reason that I could think of for why Anomandaris hasn't been killed yet. Just thought that I would throw that out of there before I go to bed. I don't think that we can clear the people who Anomandaris has guarded.

Night


Edit: Some more thoughts. I think that there started off with 6 scum. Probably 2 paired killers and 4 symps. The symps wouldn't know each other only the killers. The symps who didn't become a new killer would then find out who the new one was. I also think that Fener and Kesso were the paired finders. That would explain why Kesso didn't use a find on the first night. Either that or they were both separate finders.

He's replying to Ruse in this, I cut out the original cos it was long. Once again very WIFOM.

Tennes, on Apr 29 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 29 2009, 09:57 AM, said:

Right then if you think we have paired killers do we go for a lynch on Shadow, hope he's scum, the guard can block, hope they block the right person. If they're wrong and they're still around come morning they can reveal. It's taking a chance, but it's either that or we reveal now so we know what we're working with.

I think that eventually we have to go for Shadow. We can't leave him her. He made a good case on Emurlahn and bought himself a day. As for when or if the guard should reveal. I really don't know. Honestly other then Shadow I am at a loss. I think that all of us should be looked at. I don't trust any of you.

And right before he gets fingered he's eager to push a lynch on Shadow. Now Shadow was prime suspect when day started, so whether this is early distancing or trying to capitalise on an easy lynch is unclear.

It's also interesting to note he made a half-hearted case on Amp, which could also be seen as distancing, but at the time everyone was doing cases on everyone else.

And he didnt vote Mockra, although it's a bit late for that.

In short, most of his posts werent incredibly content filled, and the ones that are are very ambivalent in the light of the fact that he's scum. No obvious interactions with anyone, was keen on an Emur lynch. The closest there is to a link with anyone is Shadow, who supported him in a case on Emur. This worries me, since Shadow keeps going from very scummy to VPI and back again in my mind. Reread on him coming up next.

[Serc]

Still doing that reread, this just occurred to me - We forgot to ask Telas who he had done a find on all the nights after Fener died. FUCK.

[Serc]

Of the recent things Shadow has said, there are these:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

Sigh, and here I originally wanted to make a case on Tennes, but couldn't find anything in his posts to build on. Hope Telas is telling the truth with this.

Which is a convenient thing to say AFTER a finder reveal, nothing before this for a while to indicate any suspicion of Tennes.

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Tennes, on Apr 29 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Am I dead yet. If not I would like to reveal as Anomardaris fellow guard. I knew that he was the leprechaun...


Really that is all that I have. I am just a RI nothing more nothing less THEN YOUR GOD. MUHAHAHAHAH

thumbsup.gif

This posts bugs me, but I cant say why...

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 29 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

So we're dealing with at least one more killer than it would seem. Clearly the scum was involved in that train and had a chance to get their provisional in.

Or the current provisional of whoever is killed goes through on the new killers behalf. Narrowing it down would be nice, but we cant be sure of the mechanic sad.gif

That's very true. We can't discount those who weren't here (Ampelas, Korlat, Tellan)

Very quick to back me up on something that expands the suspeect pool, but it's not completely unreasonable

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Does anyone else think it's safe to assume there is only one killer left, or could there be more? If majority think only one killer, then it might be worth revealing who was guarded, as then they can be CIed, I think.

And planting the suggestion of the remaining guard reveal, which I jumped on a little earlier.


Now Shadow fell under a lot of suspicion after Amp's case two days ago. While that was originally based on a pretty far out theory about Fener being a symp originally (which obviously wasnt the case), a couple of other people did also find things about him to be suspicious in the resulting investigation. Mainly it was not really committing to anything and pointing fingers at everyone, which he has defended. He has raised suspicions against people who were seen as VPI or CI (yes I'm putting myself in there), which I always find suspect.

He managed to swing a lynch off himself with a case that Tennes started. Maybe just unlucky, but that seems like some good paired play.

Gem named him as well as me in her little explosion. At first that cleared him in my mind, but now I cant help but wonder if she didnt intend for it to clear him when I CF'd inno. But he was one of the first to go after her and did get into a bit of a fight her before that. As I've said before, Gem was being damn wierd with that whole business, so some screwy attempt at signalling does come to mind. And he pointed out a possible symp clue to Driss, which I wouldnt imagine a symp would do.

Egh, I think I need to red some more. My gut is saying go with Shadow, but I'm not nearly as certain as I was with Meanas.

And Korlat has been damn near invisible all game, any idea when he last posted?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 21 hours and 36 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan


Fleshed out the scene from before, for those who like to read them.

[Omtose]

Korlat, on Apr 29 2009, 05:27 AM, said:

Well I must be going to sleep now.. though I would prefer a lynch on Tellan, Shadow does seem a little suspicious too..
Vote Shadow

The above was Korlat's last post, I'm assuming he's sleeping at the moment.


I'm at work and used up most of my non-existent free time this morning during the two lynches. I'll be doing read throughs of everything and post anything I can find. Not sure I'll have time to present a massive case though right now even if I do find something.

Regarding Tennes pointing the finger at us possibly having scum in the group of high posters, it occurs to me that he knew one of the low posters was scum and was trying to misdirect us. If it hadn't been for that reveal by Telas we would have gone for a lynch on another high posting/more active player, which is what we have done for the most part so far. I think it really is time we start looking at some of the lower posters or those who have had little to add that was specific. There are several people who have yet to present a case and are just kind of agreeing or coasting along with the popular train and we have been allowing them to do so. It might be time to put a bot of pressure on those individuals.

Edit for clarity:

This post has been edited by Omtose: 29 April 2009 - 06:33 PM

[Shadow]

Ok, to try and answer some of Serc's comments:

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

Of the recent things Shadow has said, there are these:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

Sigh, and here I originally wanted to make a case on Tennes, but couldn't find anything in his posts to build on. Hope Telas is telling the truth with this.

Which is a convenient thing to say AFTER a finder reveal, nothing before this for a while to indicate any suspicion of Tennes.

I've posted below some previous comments that I had made on Tennes. It's no exaggeration that there was very little to stick on him as being scummy, the guy posted so little, but below I've tried to show that I did look at and notice him in the past.

Shadow, on Apr 26 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Omtose, I think you'll find quite a few people have been questioning Fener's motives. Personally, I don't know whether to agree with that case or not myself. There is something about Mockra's posting (and D'riss') that gets me looking in their direction, but at the same time, I am almost unconsciously now linking the two together every time one of them posts.

Of all the bigger posters though, those two are the ones most on my radar.

But, in an effort to look at a bigger picture, I took a look at Tennes. And this is what I've found. He posted LOADS whilst everyone was RPing drunk, and then as soon as it stopped, he stopped posting. There is not a single post from Tennes since we began playing seriously. Anything in that, do people reckon?

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

I suppose Kess was hoping it would make him PI and a killer. He just wasn't counting on getting offed himself.

In no particular order:

Omtose
D'riss
Meanas
Emurlahn

I would guess are our primary suspects. Galain's name occurs to me too, but I can't be certain without looking back if he was a Mockra defender or not.

Worth noting, no Rashan still, and Tennes hasn't been seen since the drunken RP.

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

Ampelas, Barghast, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Rashan and Tennes. I'd like to hear more from all these people. Some have a distinct tendency to just pop in and out without contributing anything substantial.

Next comment:

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Tennes, on Apr 29 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Am I dead yet. If not I would like to reveal as Anomardaris fellow guard. I knew that he was the leprechaun...


Really that is all that I have. I am just a RI nothing more nothing less THEN YOUR GOD. MUHAHAHAHAH

thumbsup.gif

This posts bugs me, but I cant say why...

I gave Venge's comment a thumbs up because it made me laugh really hard for like fifteen minutes. Come on, to paraphrase, "I'm, uh, Ano's guard partner...no, he's a leprechaun....I'm your God dammit!!" Venge knew the game was up and was having some fun, I just indicated I found it funny.

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 29 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

So we're dealing with at least one more killer than it would seem. Clearly the scum was involved in that train and had a chance to get their provisional in.

Or the current provisional of whoever is killed goes through on the new killers behalf. Narrowing it down would be nice, but we cant be sure of the mechanic sad.gif

That's very true. We can't discount those who weren't here (Ampelas, Korlat, Tellan)

Very quick to back me up on something that expands the suspeect pool, but it's not completely unreasonable

Well, my whole thing this game and what's got me in trouble WAS to expand the suspect pool - why stop now But seriously, I thought it was a good point and I thought someone else was a bit quick to say that there's deffo a killer in the voters because Telas was killed.

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Does anyone else think it's safe to assume there is only one killer left, or could there be more? If majority think only one killer, then it might be worth revealing who was guarded, as then they can be CIed, I think.

And planting the suggestion of the remaining guard reveal, which I jumped on a little earlier.

Well, I did say if the majority agrees, I wasn't saying that's what we should definitely without question do.

[Ampelas]

Okay, finally caught up. A little irritated I missed 2 lynches, but whatevs, good on ya for killing Tennes. Eh, like Serc my gut still says Shadow. If there were more people on to discuss it with, I might even place a vote there, but I don't know. I'll be in and out all afternoon, hopefully there'll be people around later...

EDIT: Woah hello, there's 5 more people now! Hi Venge. Well as I said, gut says Shadow, any of you have thoughts?

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 29 April 2009 - 06:58 PM

[Serc]

Fuck, I'm really so lost right now. Nothing personal Shadow, but something doesn't feel right with you. Like I said, I cant really say what though and I'm not certain. Definitely not certain enough to drive a lynch against you anyway.

The only person I vaguely trust at this point is Omtose, and even that isnt much. Sigh. Not asking Telas for his finds before the lynch was a big mistake, we all got so caught up in finding a scum it completely slipped everyone's minds.

If there are in fact two scum left then tomorrow is D-day, since at 2-2 the scum win. So we can slip up once, but I'd really prefer not to. This game is really going down to the wire, wow.

[Tellan]

err.. hate to bring up more WIFOM, but if we are looking at Shadow in connection with Meanas (as some people are), why are we forgetting that imploding Gem also mentioned Serc?

[Shadow]

I thought Telas did tell us who else he investigated? Will go have a look back.

[Ampelas]

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

Fuck, I'm really so lost right now. Nothing personal Shadow, but something doesn't feel right with you. Like I said, I cant really say what though and I'm not certain. Definitely not certain enough to drive a lynch against you anyway.

The only person I vaguely trust at this point is Omtose, and even that isnt much. Sigh. Not asking Telas for his finds before the lynch was a big mistake, we all got so caught up in finding a scum it completely slipped everyone's minds.

If there are in fact two scum left then tomorrow is D-day, since at 2-2 the scum win. So we can slip up once, but I'd really prefer not to. This game is really going down to the wire, wow.

Actually, Telas gave us those finds without being asked. He mentioned me, I think you, and of course Tennes.

[Ampelas]

Telas, on Apr 29 2009, 11:11 AM, said:

My find last night revealed Tennes as scum.
After Gamelon and Mockra, the finds were as follows: No one (I was offline and couldn't confirm our find, our find Kesso got night killed). After that, Ruse and Amp came up Inno. Last night, Tennes came up as scum.

[Shadow]

Yes, he did say:

- Gamelon (inno)

- Mockra (evil)

- Kessobahn (died at the same time, couldn't reach internet in time to change)

- Ruse (inno)

- Ampelas (inno)

- Tennes (evil)

Edit: Changed for clarity

This post has been edited by Shadow: 29 April 2009 - 07:09 PM

[Ampelas]

Now, those don't provide huge help, but at least we know where he was looking.

[Ampelas]

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Yes, he did say:

- Gamelon (inno)

- Mockra (evil)

- Kessobahn (died at the same time, couldn't reach internet in time to change)

- Ruse (inno)

- Ampelas (inno)

- Tennes (evil)

Edit: Changed for clarity

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