Ok, this is what I decided to do. I went over many people's posts, with the specific idea of seeing if anyone's style changes after Mockra's death. That is, if I could pick out someone changing the way they played because they'd just been promoted from symp to killer. And I came up with Emurlahn.
I will, at the beginning, use some of the same quotes that have been used against Emur in the past. Fener and I think Omtose (may be wrong about person) have already pointed out or tried to make cases based on Emur's supposed defense of Mockra, so I won't be doing that overmuch. Or, at least, I'll try and approach it from a new direction, and add to it later.
Ok:
Emurlahn, on Apr 26 2009, 04:46 PM, said:
Also, take note of the 13 hour gap between those 2 posts. By stringing one quote after another, the mind doesn't take into account time differences between each (as opposed to how it would in context). Consequently, you're making it seem like Mockra's jumping back and forth, revealing slips and whatnot. But those 2 posts are on different game days, referring to different trains.
Mockra "ignored" me when there 2 people joke voted me in the beginning of the game (apparently without the proper "vote name" form, since a search for "vote emurlahn" reveals absolutely nothing but one of my own posts). He then proceeded to "defend" me, as you construe it, by pointing out how it was funny that you voted me for hammering when later evidence indicated you were the hammer.
Honestly, your strawmanning is getting dull. You push like hell, Fener, trying to drive the game (despite its obvious lassitude), and proceed to make up half-bullshit cases in the process.
That, combined with your lame excuse for voting me (really? You want a counter-reveal on day ONE for someone who's already at L-1?). Please. How about I play the way you're playing--it's clear your demand for that was a clever ploy to get someone to reveal a role so you could NK them. How's that one?
Vote Fener
edit: formatting so it's less wall-of-text, and x-post with d'riss below.
So here he votes Fener, accusing him of over-aggression and strawmanning. I won't say any more than has already been said on this.
Emurlahn, on Apr 26 2009, 05:14 PM, said:
Fener, on Apr 26 2009, 12:08 PM, said:
*snip*
Are you talking about the inconsistency about low posters? Yes, the posts were on different game days, but I don't see why that matters. But they do contradict each other. They suggest that Mockra does not actually believe what he's writing.
*snip*
I'm talking about the 2 consecutive posts where you make it seem like Mockra made slips where he didn't vote for me, then proceeded to vote for me.
I honestly don't like the mockra case much, and admittedly we have very little to go on for any case. I voted for you to prod for a reaction and didn't get what I would've liked (an explosion of rage given your aggressiveness so far, which is always entertaining).
And at that point, it leaves me with, well, nothing. I might do a reread when I get a chance.
remove vote
for now, but I'm still keeping fener in my mind as a last-resort lynch (although the fact that he
is generating discussion is a point in his favor).
In the meantime, back to my pizza.
edit: spelling
Emur says here that he voted Fener in order to try and get a reaction. Good inno play, and good symp play also, it could be argued. As I said, I won't be using this evidence overmuch. This is just to build up an idea of the kinds of things, and reasons, that Emur posted for. Suffice it to say, here he is posting to once again underline that he doesn't like the Mockra case much or Fener's style.
Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 01:13 AM, said:
Ok I'm back, and it looks like Fener's continued his blatant antagonizing. I think offering himself up to kill Mockra seals the deal.
And besides that, I won't be awake when day times out, so...
Vote Fener
He giveth, he taketh away. In Emur's eyes, Fener's chance to change is gone, and the vote goes right back on. Nothing so far is damning in and of itself, yet.
Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 04:31 PM, said:
Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 11:22 AM, said:
Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 04:14 PM, said:
Oh, and btw Fener:
Shadow, on Apr 25 2009, 11:31 AM, said:
D'riss, on Apr 25 2009, 03:35 PM, said:
@Shadow - I don't understand, unless I can't count, according to your figures there were 13 votes. What am I missing?
You're right......Fener's vote wasn't counted by Path-Shaper. Seems when Emurlahn voted Liosan was already technically lynched.
Shadow made this post, and Mockra apparently thought Shadow was saying that Fener was the hammer. Hell, the way it's worded, I thought the same thing until I rechecked the lynch train, but I'm fairly sure your vote was before D'riss's.
Also, P-S later confirmed Shadow's observation.
So Mockra thought it was ironic that you were attacking me for hammering when he thought that, in light of P-S's mistake,
you were the hammer. (Who, in reality, is D'riss. What do you know?)
The main point is that my case against you was based on your behaviour when we all thought the vote count was right. That it subsequently turned out to be wrong is irrelevant. And Mockra missed that aspect of it, choosing to defend you with an irrelevancy.
Fener, the other half of your defense case revolved around two posts in which Mockra "reviewed" the active cases. You quoted both, with comments, in rapid succession despite the fact that they were on entirely different game days while implying that they were very close in proximity time-wise.
Mockra was doing nothing in the way of "defending" me, unless pointing out something you think is funny/ironic/hypocritical constitutes defenses. You've been bandying cases around like they're going out of style, and frankly, while you've been PI'ed if not CI'ed it still shouts SYMP! to me. But it's apparent that's not the case.
To recap:
I hammer Liosan, who as at L-1 with 1 hour or so left on the day timer
Fener votes me immediately after night resolves, claiming that I ruined Liosan's opportunity to reveal himself (really? Any reveal made at L-1 like that is bullshit without backup)
Shadow makes a post indicating that I was not the hammer, while implying (based on the wording, whether intentional or not I can't say) that Fener hammered
Mockra picks up on this, realizes that Fener had attacked him earlier, and thinks it's funny. He then makes a post about it with an amused "lol" appended at the end.
Fener decides that Mockra's "defense" right there and the fact that he didn't add me to his case review when I had 2-3 RP joke votes on me (when I said, "last call!") constitutes a scummy defense.
I mean, WTF? :Surprise:
This post continues an attack on Fener, whilst arguing for his own and Mockra's innocence as to the things Fener has been accusing them of. Soon after this, all is 'revealed' and Emur changes his vote to Mockra.
Ok, so Mockra is now dead and a new killer has arisen. Let's take a look at Emur's posts from then:
Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 05:57 PM, said:
Eh may as well call his bluff.
Remove Vote
Vote Meanas
This is Emur's only reaction to Meanas kerploding. No other comments, thoughts, observations.
Emurlahn, on Apr 28 2009, 04:33 PM, said:
Ugh I hate missing out on all the action; I always end up missing details over the course of my catching up.
It's clear that the mounting train is on D'riss, and with maybe 4 hours left it's doubtful the train will be going anywhere else. I think the case on him is tenuous at best, but it is, sadly, probably the best option at this point.
Vote D'riss
Votes on D'riss while at the same time highlighting he doesn't think it's a great case. That's because he knows D'riss will come out inno, in my opinion. Doesn't make any effort to either elaborate on the case, or say why he thinks it's tenuous, or suggest another approach, or try to contribute, aside from the vote.
Emurlahn, on Apr 28 2009, 08:13 PM, said:
Where's the post where I defended Mockra, aside from saying I didn't like the case on him? I believe at that point, the extent of the case on him was the D'riss/Mockra "signalling/coding" crap. Not much of a case.
@Tennes: the post you quoted and said was "daming"...that post involved me pointing out that Fener misinterpreted a prior post and thought I was referring to something else (you'd have to read it all in context). Following that, I removed my vote because I liked his reaction to my vote and didn't think that was very indicative of scum.
As for my lack of posts...well, I got kinda boned on the random draws so I honestly don't feel as much motivation to contribute as I normally do. But aside from that, the last time I tried being loud I got nked night 1 and absolutely no one even possibly considered my death in conjunction to a massive pissing contest...turned out that the other guy was my killer.
That, plus a lot of work I promised myself I'd get done.
Here, he posts only because he feels he needs to defend himself. He also gives a reason as to his lassitude - he doesn't want to draw attention and be nked. Now, if he was a roled innocent, that might be a good strategy, but let's consider one of his earliest posts now:
Emurlahn, on Apr 25 2009, 02:53 PM, said:
Better me dying than someone important.
Ah, according to him, he's not important, so why is he self-admittedly staying quiet on purpose?
Emurlahn has 18 posts before Mockra's death, and only 8 after. Since Mockra's death, he has only posted to vote or to defend himself. There has been no other attempt at contribution - this from a supposedly unimportant player. I don't buy it. I believe he's now a killer, who was a symp, but became quieter and less confrontational after his promotion in order to stop drawing attention to himself. Again, I repeat, only posts to either defend himself or vote. That, to me, is scummy play.
Vote Emurlahn
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