[Shadow]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 01:07 PM, said:

Meanas, on Apr 27 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

I was not alone in jumping on Fener, fyi.

Unfortunately for you, if we don't lynch people because they're not alone in defending Mockra and attacking me, we're not going to lynch anyone.

My top 3 choices right now are Meanas, Emurlahn or Omtose. There are plenty of other possibilities, though. Anomandaris is sounding like a symp trying to do his masters a favour.

At the moment, my feelings run exactly along these lines also.

[Serc]

Meanas, on Apr 27 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

This game is really taking some heavy turns. Unfortunate that we had two finder reveals, one would have been enough imo. But done is done.

Serc, on Apr 27 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Quoted case coming up, but for now

vote Meanas

For pinging my scumdar all game. He jumped on Fener the second Fener put a case on Mockra day one and made a ridiculous case against Shadow saying that Shadow was scummy for pointing out Driss possibly signalling Mockra. I put it down to him being new and not properly understanding the difference between coding and signalling, but seeing as how Mockra CF'd scum it looks incredibly suspicious.

:Surprise:


I was not alone in jumping on Fener, fyi. I was hot on Shadow yesterday because that stuff needed to be spotlighted. Furthermore I never said the possible coding couldn't be scum coding. Are you defending Shadow now, or how are we supposed to interpret this?
I think the fact that Mockra was scum would make us all look at D'riss direction, no? So either Shadow was distancing, or he has helped us catch more scum.

You weren't alone, but you were one of the first. You voted for him in your first post after his case, after only his second post in the game. Way before the whole pissing match about him playing too aggressively started. And your case on Shadow is BS. I tried my best to get you to see why yesterday in the hopes that you were just confused, but the way you stuck to your guns about it still blows my mind. Yes, someone who outs coders deserves to get insta-lynched, but what Shadow drew attention to is not in any way, shape or form even remotely coding. The fact that Mockra susquently CF'd scum after your very roundabout defense of him and a possible symp of his pushed you from being confused inno to almost 100% symp.

[Ruse]

PS can we please get clarification on the CF, only because it's different that previous nights, if for a reason then that's fine too. Good job Fener on investigating the guy that cleared you and announcing it in thread before hand that worked well!

I'm going to sleep.

[Meanas]

Well, I've done what I can to pull up stuff that I find interesting. Lynching me just because I was hot on the over aggressive finder is just a waste. I am RI so the CF won't do you much good I'm afraid. I've been pretty much throwing myself out there on a limb. Surely that must count for something.

My thoughts so far: I don't like the whole Fener/Kesso business, I'm missing something and I don't like it. I think we should take a look at D'riss, because I believe those codes were scum codes, however stupid they seem. I'm not sure about Shadow, his pointing out the codes could be distancing form stupid coding, but on the other hand he might not be scum at all. It's something worth looking into at least. I've got not much else I'm afraid, but I want to read up on players like Serc and Emurlahn. Do we have any low posters that aren't active yet - I haven't checked.



Edit: cross post - Serc, I never defended Mockra, I never gave a crap about him, I just question certain aggressiveness, which I wasn't alone in.

Edit: also, when I come up RI you're gonna look really stupid for saying stuff like that. I'm gonna poke my sticks at you for the rest of my time here, to see what I can flush out.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 27 April 2009 - 12:22 PM

[Telas]

Damn! I was in time before deadline, but missed the hammer.

Mockra was real scum, good thing that! Except I admit I'm still confused about the Kessobahn/Fener matchup... I don't get the reason for the double reveal, with alleged non-pairing.

D'riss is suspicious but as I said before, he's come across pretty clean since the initial love-love RP.

Omtose comes across as weird because he argued very convincingly as to why it makes sense to vote Mockra due to Fener's claimed find, but then fails both to vote and proceeds to disemble against the case.

I wasn't even paying attention to Anomandaris until he came on just previous. With nary a "nice, we got a scum" he immediately puts the screws to Fener again. At this point, there are questions about the finder(s), yes. But, it's a strange axe to grind right after Fener comes up correct in identifying scum.

[Anomandaris]

right because people have about as much intelligence on this board as a dead fish i am going to reveal. I am a guard and i guarded fener on night 2 so i know he cant have investigated mockra. I dont know what his game is, but he has refused to tell me if he had a partner which is the only way he could of had a successful find i have concluded he doesnt and is the symp. I do have a partner and i have coded it into my play. we can communicate off the thread. We are darkwatch's favourite bouncers.

last night we guarded shadow. there was a kill, so neither fener or shadow can be solo killers.

I am actually quite pissed off at bent, as i asked in pm whether any role could be good or evil and he replied that only the symp could be seen that way, yet now i find that mockra looks like an evil guard.

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

right because people have about as much intelligence on this board as a dead fish

You could say that.

Because me putting an obvious code in wasn't a big enough clue?

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i am going to reveal. I am a guard and i guarded fener on night 2 so i know he cant have investigated mockra. I dont know what his game is, but he has refused to tell me if he had a partner which is the only way he could of had a successful find i have concluded he doesnt and is the symp. I do have a partner and i have coded it into my play. we can communicate off the thread.

Who did you guard on night 1?

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We are darkwatch's favourite bouncers.

Not saying you're guilty, but would your cf come up like Mockra's, then?

[Anomandaris]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 01:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

right because people have about as much intelligence on this board as a dead fish

You could say that.

Because me putting an obvious code in wasn't a big enough clue?

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i am going to reveal. I am a guard and i guarded fener on night 2 so i know he cant have investigated mockra. I dont know what his game is, but he has refused to tell me if he had a partner which is the only way he could of had a successful find i have concluded he doesnt and is the symp. I do have a partner and i have coded it into my play. we can communicate off the thread.

Who did you guard on night 1?

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We are darkwatch's favourite bouncers.

Not saying you're guilty, but would your cf come up like Mockra's, then?

you mean that pile of gibberish?? tell me you are joking.

didnt guard anyone night one as bent needed confirmation from both of us as to who to guard and we didnt come to a consensus before the deadline as i was against guarding incase we blocked a finder/ healer.

I am definitely good so i assume i will be inno, (my real name) was darkwatch's favourite bouncer.

[Shadow]

@ Anomandaris

That's interesting to say the least - I also understand your frustration if you're telling the truth, but I think most are still being quite wary of Fener nonetheless - I've pointed out on more than one occasion that he could be a symp with his own agenda.

On the other hand of course, you could be lying. I doubt you'd want to reveal your code unless we absolutely refuse to to lynch Fener. And even if we lynch Fener and he comes up inno, you can say 'well, he was a symp.'

Tough, this.

[Serc]

Meanas, on Apr 27 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Well, I've done what I can to pull up stuff that I find interesting. Lynching me just because I was hot on the over aggressive finder is just a waste. I am RI so the CF won't do you much good I'm afraid. I've been pretty much throwing myself out there on a limb. Surely that must count for something.

My thoughts so far: I don't like the whole Fener/Kesso business, I'm missing something and I don't like it. I think we should take a look at D'riss, because I believe those codes were scum codes, however stupid they seem. I'm not sure about Shadow, his pointing out the codes could be distancing form stupid coding, but on the other hand he might not be scum at all. It's something worth looking into at least. I've got not much else I'm afraid, but I want to read up on players like Serc and Emurlahn. Do we have any low posters that aren't active yet - I haven't checked.



Edit: cross post - Serc, I never defended Mockra, I never gave a crap about him, I just question certain aggressiveness, which I wasn't alone in.

Edit: also, when I come up RI you're gonna look really stupid for saying stuff like that. I'm gonna poke my sticks at you for the rest of my time here, to see what I can flush out.

Dude, I'm just putting what I see out there and you look like a symp to me. If noone else agrees then fine, and if you are in fact inno then my apologies but you've been playing terribly. You're still going on about coding. CODING AND SIGNALLING ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! And your questioning of Fener must have been preemptive, since he only started to really start shooting accusations everywhere AFTER you voted for him. But whatever, I've made my case. I fully expect you to CF inno, you've been playing like a symp. It sucks, which why I said I'd rather go after someone who will CF scum and come back to you later when there's a better chance of knowing if I'm right. Feel free to poke as many sticks as you like, I have nothing to hide.

[Shadow]

And, usually, when one of a pair is guarded, it means the action can't go through, doesn't it? So, logically, even if Fener was a paired finder, his find on Mockra wouldn't have gone through if you had guarded him then.

[Fener]

Mockra, on Apr 25 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Emurlahn: Fener's vote for Emurlahn's hammer on Liohsan that turned out to have actually been Fener's vote on Liohsan as the hammer? Lol. I think that vote will be reconsidered.

Mockra defends Emurlahn here.

Given that there's very little to differentiate between Meanas, Emurlahn and Omtose (for me), I think this is a good bet.

Vote Emurlahn

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

right because people have about as much intelligence on this board as a dead fish i am going to reveal. I am a guard and i guarded fener on night 2 so i know he cant have investigated mockra. I dont know what his game is, but he has refused to tell me if he had a partner which is the only way he could of had a successful find i have concluded he doesnt and is the symp. I do have a partner and i have coded it into my play. we can communicate off the thread. We are darkwatch's favourite bouncers.

last night we guarded shadow. there was a kill, so neither fener or shadow can be solo killers.

I am actually quite pissed off at bent, as i asked in pm whether any role could be good or evil and he replied that only the symp could be seen that way, yet now i find that mockra looks like an evil guard.

TBH I'm inclined to believe you. I think Fener would have been stupid to trade in Mockra for a Maybe Innocent. Like Shadow says, we're still wary of him. SO it's possible he had a partner. It's even possible it in fact wasnt Kesso. Unfortunately this is probably only going to be resolved in a massive reveal fest (with codes) or quite a few days worth of lynches.

[Omtose]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 06:07 AM, said:

Meanas, on Apr 27 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

I was not alone in jumping on Fener, fyi.

Unfortunately for you, if we don't lynch people because they're not alone in defending Mockra and attacking me, we're not going to lynch anyone.

My top 3 choices right now are Meanas, Emurlahn or Omtose. There are plenty of other possibilities, though. Anomandaris is sounding like a symp trying to do his masters a favour.

This doesn't surprise me in the least! I could have called dibs for being first in line on your radar after the way I pushed the cases against you. Does it bother sno one else that fener could be a sypm? The symp does become the killer when the master dies. it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Fener saw his number was close to being up and decided to sacrifice his master in order to earn a free ticket to the end. I'm just saying consider it. His style of game play and this weird reveal of his still stick in my craw I don't trust him. I think Ano could be onto someting here.

I also like the case on Meanas I did mention I was suspicious of him back on day one or two can't remember which but I will go back and point it out for you guys as soon as I have a chance.

[Meanas]

Stop strawmannig and lying Serc. It makes you look bad.

Hah, it looks like Fener is caught lying about being a finder. Interesting.

[Serc]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

And, usually, when one of a pair is guarded, it means the action can't go through, doesn't it? So, logically, even if Fener was a paired finder, his find on Mockra wouldn't have gone through if you had guarded him then.

Depends on the Mod really. Some will let it go through, others will block both.

[Fener]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

And, usually, when one of a pair is guarded, it means the action can't go through, doesn't it? So, logically, even if Fener was a paired finder, his find on Mockra wouldn't have gone through if you had guarded him then.

Nope. first thing I did was ask PS this very question.

BAD FENER!

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 April 2009 - 12:54 PM

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

And, usually, when one of a pair is guarded, it means the action can't go through, doesn't it? So, logically, even if Fener was a paired finder, his find on Mockra wouldn't have gone through if you had guarded him then.

no if you guard one of a pair the action still goes through hence my questioning both yesterday and again today. Does anyone actually see this code, you dont have to reveal it, but if people think fener is paired then i will back off and the killers can go for me tonight instead of our finder which i think is a fair deal when my partner is still out there.

[Fener]

I can't believe i'm even discussing this. The idea that I was symping Mockra is one of the more ludicrous i've ever heard.

[Serc]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 02:47 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

And, usually, when one of a pair is guarded, it means the action can't go through, doesn't it? So, logically, even if Fener was a paired finder, his find on Mockra wouldn't have gone through if you had guarded him then.

Nope. first thing I did was ask PS this very question.

BAD FENER!!!!

Uhm, quoting from PS is modkillable...

Edit - Hmm, not sure if that only applies to role PMs though. Anyway that's not impossible to fake. Just saying.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 April 2009 - 12:54 PM