[Tellan]

off to dinner, back later

[Tellan]

yawn

dead hours come early on saturdays, it'd seem


ah well

[Path-Shaper]

14.75 hours remain in day one

23 people alive

(Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss , Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan , Omtose, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Telas, Tellan)



3 Votes Emurlahn (Tennes, Ampelas,Liosan)
1 Vote Shadow (Tellan)
1 Vote Mockra (Fener)
2 Votes Fener (Meanas,D'riss)
2 Votes Liosan (Shadow, Serc)

Not Voted

( Anomandaris, Barghast,Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Omtose, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, )


If thats not correct let me know.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 April 2009 - 10:56 PM

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on Apr 24 2009, 11:49 PM, said:

14.75 hours remain in day one

23 people alive

(Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss , Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan , Omtose, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Telas, Tellan)



3 Votes Emurlahn (Tennes, Ampelas,Liosan)
1 Vote Shadow (Tellan)
1 Vote Mockra (Fener)
2 Votes Fener (Meanas,D'riss)
2 Votes Liosan (Shadow, Serc)

Not Voted

( Anomandaris, Barghast,Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Omtose, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, )


If thats not correct let me know.

I get two votes? Awesome. (ETA: You fixed that too quickly for me )

And are there two votes on Emurlahn or three?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 April 2009 - 10:57 PM

[Fener]

Mockra, on Apr 24 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

Well, reckless aggression is more suspicious than bad role-playing,

Mockra, what makes you think aggression is suspicious? Would you prefer it if nobody was aggressive? Do you think that would help the innocents?

And I don't like the way you excuse your early conformity as "bad role playing". It wasn't bad role playing, it fit in perfectly. Which was kind of my point.

[Fener]

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:39 PM, said:

You did the same with Tellan, calling him Mockra's partner in crime or something. Lumping people together because you do not like their initial reaction is not applying pressure or searching for links between players, it is not allowing people to disagree, or stating that because they disagree, they must be scum.

Imho, with the way you went straight for their throat, you skipped the phase that's called reflection and passed from aggression into the previously mentioned realm of bloodthirst.

Way to exaggerate what I did. "Bloodthirst"?

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Yup, in the first sentence. Me resting my case and being right is about the sprinkling of accusations being unnecessary (at this stage).

You think fewer accusations at this stage would be more helpful? Really? There are hardly any accusations! The more the better, in my opinion.

[Ampelas]

Impressions on what I missed. Aka, Impressions, pt 1.

Mockra, on Apr 24 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

I'll admit I role-play badly. But, who in their right mind actually talks like this: "For serious, bar still open?"

Secondly, why would I vote when all we had were "drunken posts" with people attempting to be funny?

My brother for one, but that doesn't disprove your point.

Serc, on Apr 24 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Mockra, on Apr 24 2009, 10:11 PM, said:

Because no decent case has been made?

Edit: Cross post.

Since when is a day one case 'decent' lol. Also, I spy an Apt undertaking his secret mafia training routine for Dresden Mafia

A scum reveal on day 1? AWESOME!

Shadow, on Apr 24 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Well, I applaud Fener for trying to get the game moving on. On the other hand, if he turns out to be evil, I never made this embarrasing statement.

I doubt his case on Mockra would stand up in a court of law, but luckily, this isn't a court of law! Bar justice, right? Usually involving the sharp end of a smashed bottle. At the moment, I have no suspects, so I have to go with other reasons. The drunk talk was getting tired toward the end there (at least two pages too many), and as Liosan is continuing with it, my bar justice bottle is pointed directly at him at the moment.

Edit: Might as well.

Vote Liosan

I dearly hope you appreciate the irony of the bolded sentence.

Those were my impressions, thank you.

So, glad we finally decided to get serious, I don't want to vote for Lio just yet, cuz I think when he sobers up he'll stop posting like a drunk. Of course, if he continues throughout the game, I'll have no choice but to throw a vote that way. Neither do I want to vote Fener as he stuck his neck out to get the serious game rolling, which was really something I've been waiting for. I appreciate what he's done, but Fener be warned, if you continue to be quite so pushy and aggressive on very small grounds, you too will earn my vote. And I think D'riss is the other currently talked aobut lynch candidate. Iirc, its for having the highest post count. Ridiculous. And so, I'll simply go with the scum reveal I caught, clearly a spy symp trying to signal his masters with a cleverly disguised children's travel game, and

vote Serc

I also hate that alt but anyways...

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on Apr 24 2009, 06:51 PM, said:

I get two votes? Awesome. (ETA: You fixed that too quickly for me )

And are there two votes on Emurlahn or three?

I have no idea what you are talking about....lol

[Fener]

OK. So looking at the reactions to my case, here is something I like.

Shadow, on Apr 24 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

Well, I applaud Fener for trying to get the game moving on. On the other hand, if he turns out to be evil, I never made this embarrasing statement.

I doubt his case on Mockra would stand up in a court of law, but luckily, this isn't a court of law! Bar justice, right? Usually involving the sharp end of a smashed bottle. At the moment, I have no suspects, so I have to go with other reasons. The drunk talk was getting tired toward the end there (at least two pages too many), and as Liosan is continuing with it, my bar justice bottle is pointed directly at him at the moment.

Edit: Might as well.

Vote Liosan

Shadow is happy to stick his neck out and defend me, and at the same time find something original and sensible to vote on.

Liosan's reluctance to leave the comforting embrace of spam does him no favours, IMO. He seems reluctant to actually comment on anything meaningful. So yes, I see Shadow's point. I could vote for Liosan.

[Fener]

For anyone who doesn't see where i'm coming from, here's what I think about day 1:

Yes, we could waste half the day with silly rp, and waste the rest of the day complaining about silly rp, and vote at random at the end. I prefer to make cases, put pressure on people and watch the reactions. Cases, pressure and votes are what helps the innocents, even if we get it wrong at the start. Avoiding serious discussion helps the killers, the spam just gives them somewhere to hide. Look how the posts have dropped off since my case (admittedly the time of day may also have something to do with that). People are so much more comfortable when they don't have to think. Someone has to be first to make a case, and in my opinion better sooner than later.

Serc, on Apr 24 2009, 09:26 PM, said:

Ok, but now the first person that tries to make a case is immediately shot down? Not saying I agree with Fener and he is being hella pushy, but he's trying. By being aggressive Fener's gotten some serious responses from people. Hell he's drawn me into making a serious post and I just came back to say goodnight. If you dont agree with him then make a case of your own. That's how day one usually works. You pick up on some inane thing that noone would take seriously on day 3, lay on some pressure and see who responds.

Exactly.

You see, either I make a case based on day 1 rp, which by it's very nature will not be a strong case, or I wait for someone else to do it. I chose to do it myself, even if most people seem to have an allergic reaction to it ("OMG! An actual case! I wanted to continue to post gibberish").

Quote

And at the moment Fener seems to have landed on some indignant and very defensive people. The case is laughable tbh but noones laughing and so he pushes it...

For anyone complaining about my posts following the case, this is one reason why I made them. See, I do indeed feel better about my case on Mockra due to the strong resistance to it. That post wasn't just an attack on Meanas. Although it was that, i'm not backing away from Meanas. I dislike the rapid vote on me for daring to actually play mafia.

What, exactly, do you expect me to do? Make the case and finish it by saying that it's a weak case, it's only day 1, and Mockra probably isn't guilty? That would be almost as bad as making no case at all, because nobody would react to it in any meaningful way. Instead, I pushed it, to see what would happen.

Unfortunately, we didn't get as much info as i'd have liked, nor did it kickstart people into making other cases. People don't seem to like my case, fine, but not many are willing to stick their necks out and make a case of their own. Possibly because they'd get the same reaction that I just did.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 14 hours and 37 minutes remaining

23 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night

1 vote(s) for Serc: Ampelas
2 vote(s) for Emurlahn: Tennes, Liosan
1 vote(s) for Mockra: Fener
1 vote(s) for Shadow: Tellan
2 vote(s) for Liosan: Serc, Shadow
2 vote(s) for Fener: D'riss, Meanas

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Telas

Trying out the new manager thing now, hope thats right...

[Ruse]

Well then things got serious quick.

[Tellan]

Fener, on Apr 24 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

OK. So looking at the reactions to my case, here is something I like.

Shadow, on Apr 24 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

Well, I applaud Fener for trying to get the game moving on. On the other hand, if he turns out to be evil, I never made this embarrasing statement.

I doubt his case on Mockra would stand up in a court of law, but luckily, this isn't a court of law! Bar justice, right? Usually involving the sharp end of a smashed bottle. At the moment, I have no suspects, so I have to go with other reasons. The drunk talk was getting tired toward the end there (at least two pages too many), and as Liosan is continuing with it, my bar justice bottle is pointed directly at him at the moment.

Edit: Might as well.

Vote Liosan

Shadow is happy to stick his neck out and defend me, and at the same time find something original and sensible to vote on.

Liosan's reluctance to leave the comforting embrace of spam does him no favours, IMO. He seems reluctant to actually comment on anything meaningful. So yes, I see Shadow's point. I could vote for Liosan.

You really have no idea how scummy the underlined part sounds, do you?

like You are basically patting your symp on the back saying "good job"

At this point in the game, no inno has a reason to defend another inno, or anyone, for that matter.

You announcing on thread that you are special and deserve defending does you no favours.
At least not in my books.

[Fener]

More reactions to my case, this time one I don't like.

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:10 PM, said:

Aggressive Fener is aggressive.

Someone has to start the dance, seems he volunteered. I approve. Although him admitting to being aggressive and also admitting to not wanting to use the search function or read 200 posts makes him seem more bloodthirsty than aggressive.

Gamelon approves of my aggression, but not of my "bloodthirst".

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

Yeah... aggression is all ok, but I prefer a decent case to go with it.

Gamelon approves of my aggression, but doesn't like the case.

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:19 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 24 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

Since when is a day one case 'decent' lol.

It seldom is, but singling out one person for behavorial pattern X that is also exhibited by others seems far to random to lynch on, even on day 1. Pushing someone can be a start, and he sure seems good at pushing, so i'm not going to vote him for starting this little party, but for now, I'm aware of how random this all is.

Gamelon likes that i'm pushing, and isn't going to vote for me because of it, but doesn't like the randomness.

Gamelon, on Apr 24 2009, 09:28 PM, said:

I'm not disagreeing, I'm stating that he's kicking the game into motion (which I appreciate) and that I'm not going to vote him for it either, but I also say I'm not comfortable with the more or less random lashing out.

Gamelon appreciates me getting the game going, but isn't comfortable with the "random lashing out".

Gamelon is trying to have the best of both worlds here, and doesn't want to make up his mind. The posts are both supportive and unsupportive.

[Emurlahn]

When did Liosan vote me?

[Tellan]

Emurlahn, on Apr 24 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

When did Liosan vote me?

I believe I while ago, for trying to close the bar in the Rp phase

[Fener]

Tellan, on Apr 25 2009, 12:07 AM, said:

Fener, on Apr 24 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

OK. So looking at the reactions to my case, here is something I like.

Shadow is happy to stick his neck out and defend me, and at the same time find something original and sensible to vote on.

Liosan's reluctance to leave the comforting embrace of spam does him no favours, IMO. He seems reluctant to actually comment on anything meaningful. So yes, I see Shadow's point. I could vote for Liosan.

You really have no idea how scummy the underlined part sounds, do you?

like You are basically patting your symp on the back saying "good job"

At this point in the game, no inno has a reason to defend another inno, or anyone, for that matter.

You announcing on thread that you are special and deserve defending does you no favours.
At least not in my books.

Yeah, sure, if I was evil i'd love to make a post patting my symp on the back. Highlighting to everyone what they've just done.

I want people to commit to a position. Which is why I liked Shadow's post.

And I disagree that no innocent has reason to defend another innocent. If they think another innocent is actually innocent, or the case on that player has no merit, then they should say so (and be prepared to be attacked for that defence, if that's the way things are going). Certainly plenty of people have defended Mockra from my case, but you had no problem with that. You've even defended people yourself:

Tellan, on Apr 24 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

Right now, I think both of them are inno, doing the classic inno thing (being at each other's throats while thescum die of laughter in the corner)

Oh, the contradiction....

[Korlat]

Hey buddies -hic-
I gots some catching up ta doooo

[Fener]

Got to go to bed now.

Have a nice night.

[Tellan]

Fener, on Apr 24 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Tellan, on Apr 25 2009, 12:07 AM, said:

Fener, on Apr 24 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

OK. So looking at the reactions to my case, here is something I like.

Shadow is happy to stick his neck out and defend me, and at the same time find something original and sensible to vote on.

Liosan's reluctance to leave the comforting embrace of spam does him no favours, IMO. He seems reluctant to actually comment on anything meaningful. So yes, I see Shadow's point. I could vote for Liosan.

You really have no idea how scummy the underlined part sounds, do you?

like You are basically patting your symp on the back saying "good job"

At this point in the game, no inno has a reason to defend another inno, or anyone, for that matter.

You announcing on thread that you are special and deserve defending does you no favours.
At least not in my books.

Yeah, sure, if I was evil i'd love to make a post patting my symp on the back. Highlighting to everyone what they've just done.

I want people to commit to a position. Which is why I liked Shadow's post.

And I disagree that no innocent has reason to defend another innocent. If they think another innocent is actually innocent, or the case on that player has no merit, then they should say so (and be prepared to be attacked for that defence, if that's the way things are going). Certainly plenty of people have defended Mockra from my case, but you had no problem with that. You've even defended people yourself:

Tellan, on Apr 24 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

Right now, I think both of them are inno, doing the classic inno thing (being at each other's throats while thescum die of laughter in the corner)

Oh, the contradiction....

yeah, by "both" I meant you and Mockra.

seriously, "find player's posts" function is great and all, but try to read stuff in context once in a while, would you?
I cba to insert a quote intop my every post, esp. if it's obvious i'm responding to the poster above me.