[Omtose]

I don't think Tennes replaced Mockra either.

[Gamelon]

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 08:41 AM, said:

I don't think Tennes replaced Mockra either.

Me neither.

[Gamelon]

I'll be off cooking and eating now, back in an hour or so.

[Ruse]

Ampelas, on Apr 30 2009, 08:29 AM, said:

I'll go for that. So we all have Omtose CI. I'd be hesitant to clear Gamelon because we still have no concrete evidence that we're down to one killer, but I'm willing to leave him be for now. So that leaves 4 people on the table. Of those 4 we know Ruse and I can't have been Mockra's replacement, so we're down to 2.

Tellan
&
Shadow

Shadow's been at the front or back of our minds all game, more or less. I still can't believe he got out of what seemed to me a sure lynch when I went to sleep that night. As somebody said yesterday, he's a 300 pound gorilla, in my country we say elephant, but same dif, so its time to start talking about him.

Epic crosspost. So we know that Shadow couldn't have been acting alone 2 nights ago, that was the night of Tennes' lynch iirc. So if I'm doing the logic correctly, assuming we have just the one Shadow can't be it, else he was guarded and his partner was lynched. Thus

vote Tellan

I'm thinking along the same lines, anything I brought up on Tellan was meta-blocked and Shadow is Shadow.

Omtose you've had the guards what is your ultimate thinking between the two?

[Shadow]

Well, if that's the consensus, then it's either Gamelon or Tellan for me. If we say best-case scenario, then obviously Tellan is the choice to make as Gamelon was guarded last night (for me, anyway).

So, the next question is...who believes there's only one killer left? I'd like to...but I just don't know.

[Ampelas]

Its hard to make a guarantee on such an assumption. But we've killed 3 confirmed scum, and 2 other suspecteds. That leaves us with one from the postulation of 6 scum. Therefore, I am operating under the assumption that we're down to 1 killer. Best case scenario, the killer has no idea if or how many symps are alive, and could just as easily kill one of them as one of us.

[Omtose]

I think we have more than one killer left. Ano and I knew Gamelon could not have started out as a killer but felt that it didn't mean he wasn't a symp therefore could have moved up to be a killer. Hence the block night 5 and my block again last night. Ano and I mentioned looking at Gamelon several times in posts but never actually did it. No one ever picked up on it and Gamelon himself never said anything. Which strikes me as odd because if two people are consistently saying we need to look at you, one would think you would at least try to defend yourself.

I can't help but think we've possibly been looking in the wrong direction and I have been dismissing Tellan all along so maybe that's my fault. He does show up in fact, it's just that he never has anything of value to add. No specifics, just excuses about being busy and what not. He acted as if he didn't know what the case on Shadow was and claimed he needed to do a read through. Well how could anyone not feasibly know of the shitstorm that has been surrounding Shadow? Furthermore if you say you're doing a read through then do it. We're how far into the game now and he still hasn't caught up. He's popping up at opportune times and not making cases or saying anything of detail just a bunch of excuses.

We all know my thoughts on Shadow and I still don't think he's in the clear by any means, I alomst blocked him last night, but I was sure Korlat was scum because of the way he jumped all over me, and thought I would be better off blocking Gamelon as I had blocked Shadow the night before. I assumed had Korlat come up scum, and we had no kill that Shadow would be a definite for a Killer. However we still had the kill and Korlat was inno, so now I don't know. It could be that Gamelon and Shadow are the last two killers and the kills have gone through because I have blocked one than the other.

I think we need to look closely at the interactions of Tellan, Shadow, and Gamelon before we make any rushed decisions. Lets try to develop something here and look for some links.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 30 April 2009 - 03:55 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 9. 22 hours and 53 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Omtose, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night

1 vote for Tellan: ( Ampelas )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Omtose, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

[Omtose]

Oh and after typing that epic bit of confusion I just want to say that this symp replacement thing is the most frustrating confusing shit ever! Bent assured me when I signed up for this that it would be straight forward, well I'm calling bullshit on that right now! If I could lynch him at the moment I would! Damn this is confusing!

[Ruse]

Rereading Tellan a couple things popped out I didn't see before.

Tellan, on Apr 30 2009, 06:42 AM, said:

Case on Shadow (the gist of it) appears to be that he's been, what? active and helpful?

not the strongest bit of evidence.
arg, I need to do a slow re-read once i' back from banking.

Tellan, on Apr 29 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

err.. hate to bring up more WIFOM, but if we are looking at Shadow in connection with Meanas (as some people are), why are we forgetting that imploding Gem also mentioned Serc?

Tellan, on Apr 28 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

ok, just caught up.

something I don't get.

we are asssuming, there were 2 paired killers to start with, yes?

and then, if one dies, a symp replaces him, so that the number of killers is always constant?
in that case, may I ask, what good are our paired guards untill we are down to a sngle scum?

btw, I'm not sure where people got evil guard from--Bent didnt' mention one, so I never thought Mockra was anyhting other than a killer.

my reasoning ( I realize it's not the strongest) is that I don't recall ever having a game where symps would keep replacing paired killers.

so, i'm going off the the theory that we have 1 killer at a time, and a large number of symps. i don't know how Bent determined the order of thier promotion, bu tthere is probably a set order, which they follow.

as for the current cases, I didn't look especially carefully (moving a room worth of stuff from one city to a different one 300k away, making a trip there and back is tiring as hell), but from what I saw, I liked Tennes' case on Emurlahn. I realize that me going against a coaster will sound hyppocritical, but there it is.

That's the recent stuff, I didn't go back to far.

[Ampelas]

So Ruse, are you agreeing that Tellan seems weird? Scummy? Vote worthy?

[Omtose]

Well it certainly looks scummy, he tries to divert attention from Shadow and says he liked the Tennes case on Emur which no one else paid attention to. The other person of course to make a case on Emur was Tennes. This could be a bit of a triaangle developing between Tennes Shadow and Tellan.

Edit for correction

This post has been edited by Omtose: 30 April 2009 - 04:22 PM

[Ruse]

Ampelas, on Apr 30 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

So Ruse, are you agreeing that Tellan seems weird? Scummy? Vote worthy?

I do, Omtose?

edit - x-post

This post has been edited by Ruse: 30 April 2009 - 04:25 PM

[Omtose]

The other thing that bothers me about Tellan is that every time someone has mentioned he's said nothing and he comes back on, he get's really aggressive. Initially I thought it was because he was defending his low post count in regards to his RL situation. But when I looked he actually has a high post count, he's just had little to say for himself. Why would you be so aggressive about the attention? It's an overreaction as far as I'm concerned. Seems odd to me.

[Ruse]

Do we want to look more or vote it?

[Ampelas]

I think I've already answered that, for myself...

[Omtose]

I'm inclined to vote tellan I just want us to be sure of who we're blocking. Do we want to block Shadow? Or do you guys think I should go with someone else?

[Ruse]

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

I'm inclined to vote tellan I just want us to be sure of who we're blocking. Do we want to block Shadow? Or do you guys think I should go with someone else?

I think you block Gamelon again, if we hit scum, then Shadow has to be the other one. WCS he is CI for sure.

[Ampelas]

Uh, I'd probably go with Shadow. I can't seem to think why atm, just gut, but I know there's a reason, I just have to find it.

[Shadow]

Ruse, on Apr 30 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

I'm inclined to vote tellan I just want us to be sure of who we're blocking. Do we want to block Shadow? Or do you guys think I should go with someone else?

I think you block Gamelon again, if we hit scum, then Shadow has to be the other one. WCS he is CI for sure.

Not to get all pedantic or anything, but why do I have to be the other killer if Tellan is lynched and turns out be the scum and the game continues?