[Ampelas]

Emurlahn, on Apr 21 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

You know I wasn't sold on the Ano case, but his responses have me thinking again, but then he is bound to defend himself, but it does seem - sorry, bit giddy, need to sit down.

Seriously though, if he does go (either by mk or lynch/stake thru heart/burning) and is innocent, do we put any store in his accusations at Fener & HP or is it a case of dead man's words?


Edit: to correct spelling steak to stake - hahaha, that's quite funny actually.

Kinda, never heard of a man killed by meat though. Though there was a guy who ODed on Viagra, but that's a different meat that killed him. Anyways, as I understand things, Ano is currently trying to desperately dig up pairs so he can try and finger some Baali. Therefore, he's looking at his train first, where Fener and HP were the first to finger him and for a while, were his only voters. Somebody mentioned me and Rash because we're so buddy buddy all of a sudden. Well, that's simply not true, we're not buddy buddy, we're just no longer hostile because we each trust the other's reveal. What would be funny is if Ano is Yellow, convinces us to vote for one of his pairs, and we hit inno lovers.

[Ampelas]

D'oh! you left...

[Tennes]

Slow moving, guess we're all waiting for the result on Ano.

@Emurlahn- pot/kettle black?

@Meanas- I believe the votes were placed on me because they wanted to lynch a low poster thinking that it would be a good place for the FM to hide. I agree with that idea, but wrong place to look.

[Anomandaris]

Well I was off to bed, but can't sleep so will try one more time for a more rational defence. Or at least so you look at Fener+Ampelas tomorrow.

Fener case on me, is there is no evidence on me. Yet with that he claims i'm the Cult Recruiter. Not any scum, but the cult recruiter really really specific there.

Now if you look at Night 4 I'm the second vote on Korvalain, Fener claims i'm going with the flow, but surely i'd wait to see if one of my recruits would make it before voting, I mean its hardly a done deal, would you be straight on pushing the case? Remember this is the lynch where the FM had to lie about being a Finder to get the lynch on Korv, and somehow being second on before the Finder reveal or anything else is going with the flow? Do you really think that is the case?

Also look at how he's gone about trying to get me lynched. If your an innocent on Day 5 no less, would you consider their replies thoughtfully and see if they defend themselves and consider evidence? I think you would its later in the game now, the town have lost quite a few we need to be sure. Fener has twisted everything, and considered nothing, and is hell bent on getting me lynched. Is that how an innocent goes about getting a lynch? Or is that how a scum goes about getting a lynch? Remember i'm the cult recruiter here whose cruelly started a train on my latest recruit. Fener refuses to consider anything else, he's not in two minds he's convinced - obviously the Cult Recruiter.

Lastly consider I revealed early on today, there was no death during the day outside the FM and I have said my BP went off.
Fener claims this is ridiculous no one would have that. Now Ment has said every is roled but quite a few would be passive roles if you recall.

So far, we have had a Finder+ Possession, and a Vig+ Possesion. I have claimed a BP+Possession.
Consider that for a moment do you think that Ment would have a BP + Possession or would you consider that completely outlandish and ridiculous as Fener has and ignore that completely? If your an innocent weighing up a case, do you think its likely? If your scum wanting to push a lynch I think you would claim it as a lie as Fener has done.

Also consider Ampelas, who has one kill + protection from Possession. I stop one kill + protection from Possesion. Would you consider that a stretch if you were innocent and that was you role? I think you would consider that an extremely possible combination to have.

How did Ampelas react to this:

Ampelas said:

Yeah, Fener's right, this stinks of more shit than I can shake my shit stick at.
remove vote
vote Ano

On a role which is extremely close to his own. Would you really react like that?

Thusly I have voted for Ampelas, if you have a role really close to yours, one stops a kill, one lets you kill, would you consider that stinking of shit and voting on it? In a game where everyone is meant to be roled?
I don't think you would. I would vote Fener but there is no one else voting him and time is running shortish.

Well this time I'll try and get some sleep.

[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on Apr 21 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

Well I was off to bed, but can't sleep so will try one more time for a more rational defence. Or at least so you look at Fener+Ampelas tomorrow.

Fener case on me, is there is no evidence on me. Yet with that he claims i'm the Cult Recruiter. Not any scum, but the cult recruiter really really specific there.

Now if you look at Night 4 I'm the second vote on Korvalain, Fener claims i'm going with the flow, but surely i'd wait to see if one of my recruits would make it before voting, I mean its hardly a done deal, would you be straight on pushing the case? Remember this is the lynch where the FM had to lie about being a Finder to get the lynch on Korv, and somehow being second on before the Finder reveal or anything else is going with the flow? Do you really think that is the case?

Also look at how he's gone about trying to get me lynched. If your an innocent on Day 5 no less, would you consider their replies thoughtfully and see if they defend themselves and consider evidence? I think you would its later in the game now, the town have lost quite a few we need to be sure. Fener has twisted everything, and considered nothing, and is hell bent on getting me lynched. Is that how an innocent goes about getting a lynch? Or is that how a scum goes about getting a lynch? Remember i'm the cult recruiter here whose cruelly started a train on my latest recruit. Fener refuses to consider anything else, he's not in two minds he's convinced - obviously the Cult Recruiter.

Lastly consider I revealed early on today, there was no death during the day outside the FM and I have said my BP went off.
Fener claims this is ridiculous no one would have that. Now Ment has said every is roled but quite a few would be passive roles if you recall.

So far, we have had a Finder+ Possession, and a Vig+ Possesion. I have claimed a BP+Possession.
Consider that for a moment do you think that Ment would have a BP + Possession or would you consider that completely outlandish and ridiculous as Fener has and ignore that completely? If your an innocent weighing up a case, do you think its likely? If your scum wanting to push a lynch I think you would claim it as a lie as Fener has done.

Also consider Ampelas, who has one kill + protection from Possession. I stop one kill + protection from Possesion. Would you consider that a stretch if you were innocent and that was you role? I think you would consider that an extremely possible combination to have.

How did Ampelas react to this:

Ampelas said:

Yeah, Fener's right, this stinks of more shit than I can shake my shit stick at.
remove vote
vote Ano

On a role which is extremely close to his own. Would you really react like that?

Thusly I have voted for Ampelas, if you have a role really close to yours, one stops a kill, one lets you kill, would you consider that stinking of shit and voting on it? In a game where everyone is meant to be roled?
I don't think you would. I would vote Fener but there is no one else voting him and time is running shortish.

Well this time I'll try and get some sleep.

Precisely why I think its bull. First, we now have ?4? people who claim that they had possession BP, kill BP, and another ability. While that in itself is plausible, you still fail to specify what abilities those protections protected!

Also, I know its been suggested before, but you reminded me that its possible the FM(s) have taken over people who neglected to delete their inboxes, and obtained sensitive information relating to roles.

[Serc]

Ampelas, on Apr 21 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 21 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

Well I was off to bed, but can't sleep so will try one more time for a more rational defence. Or at least so you look at Fener+Ampelas tomorrow.

Fener case on me, is there is no evidence on me. Yet with that he claims i'm the Cult Recruiter. Not any scum, but the cult recruiter really really specific there.

Now if you look at Night 4 I'm the second vote on Korvalain, Fener claims i'm going with the flow, but surely i'd wait to see if one of my recruits would make it before voting, I mean its hardly a done deal, would you be straight on pushing the case? Remember this is the lynch where the FM had to lie about being a Finder to get the lynch on Korv, and somehow being second on before the Finder reveal or anything else is going with the flow? Do you really think that is the case?

Also look at how he's gone about trying to get me lynched. If your an innocent on Day 5 no less, would you consider their replies thoughtfully and see if they defend themselves and consider evidence? I think you would its later in the game now, the town have lost quite a few we need to be sure. Fener has twisted everything, and considered nothing, and is hell bent on getting me lynched. Is that how an innocent goes about getting a lynch? Or is that how a scum goes about getting a lynch? Remember i'm the cult recruiter here whose cruelly started a train on my latest recruit. Fener refuses to consider anything else, he's not in two minds he's convinced - obviously the Cult Recruiter.

Lastly consider I revealed early on today, there was no death during the day outside the FM and I have said my BP went off.
Fener claims this is ridiculous no one would have that. Now Ment has said every is roled but quite a few would be passive roles if you recall.

So far, we have had a Finder+ Possession, and a Vig+ Possesion. I have claimed a BP+Possession.
Consider that for a moment do you think that Ment would have a BP + Possession or would you consider that completely outlandish and ridiculous as Fener has and ignore that completely? If your an innocent weighing up a case, do you think its likely? If your scum wanting to push a lynch I think you would claim it as a lie as Fener has done.

Also consider Ampelas, who has one kill + protection from Possession. I stop one kill + protection from Possesion. Would you consider that a stretch if you were innocent and that was you role? I think you would consider that an extremely possible combination to have.

How did Ampelas react to this:

Ampelas said:

Yeah, Fener's right, this stinks of more shit than I can shake my shit stick at.
remove vote
vote Ano

On a role which is extremely close to his own. Would you really react like that?

Thusly I have voted for Ampelas, if you have a role really close to yours, one stops a kill, one lets you kill, would you consider that stinking of shit and voting on it? In a game where everyone is meant to be roled?
I don't think you would. I would vote Fener but there is no one else voting him and time is running shortish.

Well this time I'll try and get some sleep.

Precisely why I think its bull. First, we now have ?4? people who claim that they had possession BP, kill BP, and another ability. While that in itself is plausible, you still fail to specify what abilities those protections protected!

Also, I know its been suggested before, but you reminded me that its possible the FM(s) have taken over people who neglected to delete their inboxes, and obtained sensitive information relating to roles.

Ok I have been holding my peace on this shit all day long. But really this is to much. Mods aren't going to let someone take over an account that has role information left in it. This isn't Mentals first game. He is a old hat at modding and isn't going to make a stupid mistake like that. It would be giving to much information to the FM. If the person doesn't delete their own PM's which why would you want the FM to have any information about you or your team anyway a mod will always go in and double check. Mental is good about that.

Second I do think that it is good to put pressure on people who have seemed like they are coasting through the game. However for Fener to come out and say that Anomandaris isn't just a possible scum but the CULT MASTER and offer to evidence to back up his claim is totally crazy.
Fener how could you possibly know that Anomandaris is the Cult Master of all possible scum. That is really really specific. Now I don't know if it isn't true it very well might be. But unless you give some kind of evidence then you are totally strawmaning Anomandaris. Which is suspicious in my mind. The last time that we had a person driving a lynch based off of some fucked up shit it was Barghast who we now suspect was the FM.

I am not defending Anomandaris. I am attacking your cases as they seem to be nothing more then smoke and mirrors. I don't trust Amp. That is why I voted for him. After following the various pissing contest today I am more suspicious of Fener then I am of Anomandaris and I am still suspicious of Amp. Those are the only to people that I am willing to vote for today. Unless one of you revealing idiots decides to say something else.

[Serc]

Oh yeah then there is Anomandaris's posting of a portion of a PM. Now that is a modkilling offense so why would the cult master do something moronically stupid like that.

[Ampelas]

Serc, on Apr 21 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 21 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 21 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

Well I was off to bed, but can't sleep so will try one more time for a more rational defence. Or at least so you look at Fener+Ampelas tomorrow.

Fener case on me, is there is no evidence on me. Yet with that he claims i'm the Cult Recruiter. Not any scum, but the cult recruiter really really specific there.

Now if you look at Night 4 I'm the second vote on Korvalain, Fener claims i'm going with the flow, but surely i'd wait to see if one of my recruits would make it before voting, I mean its hardly a done deal, would you be straight on pushing the case? Remember this is the lynch where the FM had to lie about being a Finder to get the lynch on Korv, and somehow being second on before the Finder reveal or anything else is going with the flow? Do you really think that is the case?

Also look at how he's gone about trying to get me lynched. If your an innocent on Day 5 no less, would you consider their replies thoughtfully and see if they defend themselves and consider evidence? I think you would its later in the game now, the town have lost quite a few we need to be sure. Fener has twisted everything, and considered nothing, and is hell bent on getting me lynched. Is that how an innocent goes about getting a lynch? Or is that how a scum goes about getting a lynch? Remember i'm the cult recruiter here whose cruelly started a train on my latest recruit. Fener refuses to consider anything else, he's not in two minds he's convinced - obviously the Cult Recruiter.

Lastly consider I revealed early on today, there was no death during the day outside the FM and I have said my BP went off.
Fener claims this is ridiculous no one would have that. Now Ment has said every is roled but quite a few would be passive roles if you recall.

So far, we have had a Finder+ Possession, and a Vig+ Possesion. I have claimed a BP+Possession.
Consider that for a moment do you think that Ment would have a BP + Possession or would you consider that completely outlandish and ridiculous as Fener has and ignore that completely? If your an innocent weighing up a case, do you think its likely? If your scum wanting to push a lynch I think you would claim it as a lie as Fener has done.

Also consider Ampelas, who has one kill + protection from Possession. I stop one kill + protection from Possesion. Would you consider that a stretch if you were innocent and that was you role? I think you would consider that an extremely possible combination to have.

How did Ampelas react to this:

Ampelas said:

Yeah, Fener's right, this stinks of more shit than I can shake my shit stick at.
remove vote
vote Ano

On a role which is extremely close to his own. Would you really react like that?

Thusly I have voted for Ampelas, if you have a role really close to yours, one stops a kill, one lets you kill, would you consider that stinking of shit and voting on it? In a game where everyone is meant to be roled?
I don't think you would. I would vote Fener but there is no one else voting him and time is running shortish.

Well this time I'll try and get some sleep.

Precisely why I think its bull. First, we now have ?4? people who claim that they had possession BP, kill BP, and another ability. While that in itself is plausible, you still fail to specify what abilities those protections protected!

Also, I know its been suggested before, but you reminded me that its possible the FM(s) have taken over people who neglected to delete their inboxes, and obtained sensitive information relating to roles.

Ok I have been holding my peace on this shit all day long. But really this is to much. Mods aren't going to let someone take over an account that has role information left in it. This isn't Mentals first game. He is a old hat at modding and isn't going to make a stupid mistake like that. It would be giving to much information to the FM. If the person doesn't delete their own PM's which why would you want the FM to have any information about you or your team anyway a mod will always go in and double check. Mental is good about that.

Okay, I've never played one of Ment's games, I don't think, and this is the first game with an FM that I've lived long enough to notice it. I simply stated it as a possibility.

[Ampelas]

Serc, on Apr 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Oh yeah then there is Anomandaris's posting of a portion of a PM. Now that is a modkilling offense so why would the cult master do something moronically stupid like that.

Just becaues he's a cult master doesn't mean he can't also be a total moron. I've seen complete newbs get high level roles early, and be fucked because they didn't totally understand the rules. Thats the thing, role selection is supposed to be random.

EDIT: I should add, however, that Ano doesn't seem to me like a total moron.

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 21 April 2009 - 06:13 PM

[Serc]

Ampelas, on Apr 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Quote

Ok I have been holding my peace on this shit all day long. But really this is to much. Mods aren't going to let someone take over an account that has role information left in it. This isn't Mentals first game. He is a old hat at modding and isn't going to make a stupid mistake like that. It would be giving to much information to the FM. If the person doesn't delete their own PM's which why would you want the FM to have any information about you or your team anyway a mod will always go in and double check. Mental is good about that.

Okay, I've never played one of Ment's games, I don't think, and this is the first game with an FM that I've lived long enough to notice it. I simply stated it as a possibility.

Oh it is a possibility but I also might win the lotto tonight. Of course it would help if I bought tickets.

[Ampelas]

Serc, on Apr 21 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Quote

Ok I have been holding my peace on this shit all day long. But really this is to much. Mods aren't going to let someone take over an account that has role information left in it. This isn't Mentals first game. He is a old hat at modding and isn't going to make a stupid mistake like that. It would be giving to much information to the FM. If the person doesn't delete their own PM's which why would you want the FM to have any information about you or your team anyway a mod will always go in and double check. Mental is good about that.

Okay, I've never played one of Ment's games, I don't think, and this is the first game with an FM that I've lived long enough to notice it. I simply stated it as a possibility.

Oh it is a possibility but I also might win the lotto tonight. Of course it would help if I bought tickets.

lol. Ok comprehende. Ment wouldn't let it happen.

[Serc]

Ampelas, on Apr 21 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Oh yeah then there is Anomandaris's posting of a portion of a PM. Now that is a modkilling offense so why would the cult master do something moronically stupid like that.

Just becaues he's a cult master doesn't mean he can't also be a total moron. I've seen complete newbs get high level roles early, and be fucked because they didn't totally understand the rules. Thats the thing, role selection is supposed to be random.

EDIT: I should add, however, that Ano doesn't seem to me like a total moron.

Even if he is a noob he wouldn't be making that kind of mistake. Not when if he had a power role like that. Once again I am not defending Anomandaris I am just pointing out the flaws in the case.

Now if Fener had some kind of evidence that Anomandaris was the Cult master or even a member of the cult then that would be something different. If he does he hasn't given it out at least not that I have seen. It seems as if Fener has just pulled a bunch of shit together and driven it at Anomandaris. I am sure that if Anomandaris is really scum they are going to be laughing at me in SH right now. Fener case could have been made on several different people. I find it strange that he tried to pin it on Anomandaris and then said that he is the Cult master. We are looking for something that smakes of the FM and I think that this is it. It is very similar to what Barghast was doing to Korv.

[Path-Shaper]

Anomandaris (Gavin) has been modkilled
he was an Anarch

It is Night 5. 7 Hours 38 Minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to day

2 vote(s) for Ampelas: Serc, Tennes ,
1 vote(s) for Tennes: Rashan


Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Meanas, Mockra Ampelas, Fener, Hood's path, Omtose

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 April 2009 - 07:05 PM

[Fener]

Well that is just lovely.

Vote Ampelas

You are next, sir.

[Serc]

Well I guess that Mental decided that it was worth modkilling over. Sucks for Gavin. Obviously he wasn't the Cult Master. No instead we lost yet another Anarch. Based on nothing more then total strawmaning.


Ummm PS if Amomandaris is dead then there is only 2 votes for Ampelas.


The more I think about it the more I think that Fener is probably scum.

Remove Vote

Vote Fener

[Serc]

Fener, on Apr 21 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Well that is just lovely.

Vote Ampelas

You are next, sir.

Why is it lovely that we lost Anomandaris who was a innocent.

[Fener]

I like your case Serc.

[Fener]

Serc, on Apr 21 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Fener, on Apr 21 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Well that is just lovely.

Vote Ampelas

You are next, sir.

Why is it lovely that we lost Anomandaris who was a innocent.

My post----->

Your head.

Get it?

[Mockra]

Ouch! Had quite a bit to catch up on and most of it was painful!

First off Vampire related stuff, the Malkavian clan discipline allows them to make others insane. Which might explain what rash is going through. Also to think that we have two malkavians out in the open and no one thinks they might be Cami, stirkes me as odd, but anyway.

Now as to actual play. I know its been said before, but seriously. Fener how do you get Cult leader from someone who is playing carefully, yes I will agree it is possibly scummy, but to immediately assume the leader, wow!

Now as it stands I see there are a number of trains and I am in a bit of shock, Ampelas has my hackles up big time, his reveal was disjointed and completely odd. I can't in all honesty take him seriously and now he is attacking Ano? This game gets weirder and weirder!

:avote: Ampelas

Looking over his reveal and his current play, I can't see him as town.

EDIT: Epic Crosspost! Gods we are another one down

This post has been edited by Mockra: 21 April 2009 - 06:34 PM

[Fener]

Mockra, on Apr 21 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Now as to actual play. I know its been said before, but seriously. Fener how do you get Cult leader from someone who is playing carefully, yes I will agree it is possibly scummy, but to immediately assume the leader, wow!

Because there was only one role, where you would try to polish every single post, and hide in plain sight.

At least that is how I would play it.