[Aptorian]

Have you read the Dust of Dreams Prologue?

No? Go now, GO, READ!! http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...showtopic=14645

If you've read it, and it was gooood, you have to ask yourself, who will be chosen by the Destriant?

Post your crazy ideas here.

My crazy theory is Icarium as either Mortal Sword/Shield Anvil.

Mappo as a Shield Anvil

I would nominate Brys but he's been chosen as MS of Emurhlan already.

It sounded to me like the hunting part will be going south so they won't be running into the Malazans. Well, maybe the Grey Helms, as Heborics vision seemed to suggest that the wolves stand in opposition of the KCCM.

EDIT: Title and sub-title edited for MAJOR prologue spoilers - bad Apt!

[kcf]

Teholl and Bugg


Of course I don't think they will be chosen and I'm not sure how an elder god would work in the role, but the thought makes me smile.

[Mentalist]

one of those kids in the early part of the prologue.

teh poetry-making girl will be SA

[Urb]

Didn't one of them have a tail (or was that a metaphore she used in her poemtalk?)?
If so, I think that one. The one with a tail...

They're going to search in the south. What is there in the south?

[Aptorian]

I think there's another empire. Not the KCCM one.

It made me wonder by the way. The KCCMs fear a war comming, someone wanting to destroy them. I wonder if this is the Malazans or it's some other, possibly CG controlled, empire.

It would be interesting if it turns out that the KCCM aren't the bad guys in this story, but in fact the heroes, and humans are the evil ones.

But really 4-5 meter tall sword wielding lizards, holy crap this book is going to be awesome.

[Urizen]

Aptorian, on Mar 25 2009, 10:40 PM, said:

I think there's another empire. Not the KCCM one.

It made me wonder by the way. The KCCMs fear a war comming, someone wanting to destroy them. I wonder if this is the Malazans or it's some other, possibly CG controlled, empire.

It would be interesting if it turns out that the KCCM aren't the bad guys in this story, but in fact the heroes, and humans are the evil ones.

But really 4-5 meter tall sword wielding lizards, holy crap this book is going to be awesome.

I also got the impression that the KCCM aren't more "bad guys" than any other race...

am I confused but wasn't children non human? with the fangs and tails etc. My first reaction was that they are Matronless KCCM's

[kcf]

I'm pretty sure that the children are in-fact human children. There are references to mother and fathers and decidely human things. The mention of tails and such was poetic I believe.


My impression is that south will lead to the plains where these children are - Kolanse is west of that plain.

[Urizen]

kcf, on Mar 25 2009, 11:21 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the children are in-fact human children. There are references to mother and fathers and decidely human things. The mention of tails and such was poetic I believe.


My impression is that south will lead to the plains where these children are - Kolanse is west of that plain.

Where are Kolanse and the Elan Plain situated? east of the Bolkando?
I thought the children had made it to the Elan Plain..

[Sinisdar Toste]

we require a map!! (if anyones listening)

but i think it likely that the children will run into the k'chain party as it heads south

[kcf]

I got bored and decided to try and piece together the geography mentioned (I assume this will be a map included in the book).

Elan Plain I believe is south and to the east of the Wastelands and Kolanse is east and north of the Elan Plain. It is unclear if Kolanse and the Wastelands truly border one another, but I think they probably don't and that the Elan Plain is between the two.

The Stet forest seems to be south of the Elan Plain and to the west of the cities/states mentioned that are south of Elan Plain. Those cities/states are Korbanse, Krosis, and Kanros. South of them is the Pelesiar Sea and the Ilses of Otpelas. The city of Okan is loacted either in these city/states or in the southern portion of Kolanse.

It is unclear if Stet also borders the Pelesiar sea, but the Elan plain is to its north and northwest. When the KCCM assassin speaks of seaking to the south, it seems probable that it will be into the Stet region or another region not named yet.

Of course the Awl'dan is to the west/northwest of the Wastelands as shown in RG. Bolkando was never mentioned in the prologues, so I'm not sure how it lines up with these.

[Vengeance]

I think that the war that is coming is the same war that the Matron fled from originally. The war with the Andii and Edur and the war with the short tails. We know from BH that there are several Moon spawns in the Imperial Warren filled with Short tails. We also know from Mappo and Icarium that the frozen Short tails have awakened. That should be fun. As two who will actually be filling the roles I think that it will be Rutt as Shield Anvil.
I don't that it is going to be Icarium who becomes the Mortal sword although I do think that is who was walking through the desert. I am wondering why Icarium is described as "A lone wanderer, who spoke in seven voices, who knew himself by seven names. He was many, but he was one." Did the faulty machine cause his mind to split into 7. If he became the Mortal Sword would the Matron be able to heal his mind.

[Aptorian]

I made a sererate thread on Icarium, but to make it brief, the machine malfucntioned (it seems) and seven human minds are now trapped inside Icarium. Taxillian and Rautos was among the people that the machine ate in the ending of RG.

Here the world map, kolanse is down in the right corner:

[HoosierDaddy]

While Icarium's badassedness would lend strength to the argument that he would make a fantastic Mortal Sword, wouldn't the fact that he is currently inhabited by 8 souls (7 and his own) lend a bit of strength towards him possibly being a Shield-Anvil?

[Silencer]

Edited title for major spoilers. I mean, really now Apt!

[Aptorian]

There was no spoilers there, I put "could" and "possible" in there. To the uninitiated it wasn't revealing anything it would just have looked like another crazy theory thread.

[Silencer]

No, it was too blatant - especially as everyone knows the prologue has just been released. Two months down the track, either before or after, fine, put what you want - but with the prologue's release you gotta be careful.

[Traveller]

Surely whoever is chosen to be Mortal Sword etc for the KC would have to be a willing participant to start with?

Icarium and Mappo, for example would need some convincing.

Redmask was being set up, but he didn't know why they were following him; he was apparently completely in the dark about their motives, which is presumably why the Matron is now sending a human out to help recruit.

(Also, doesn't this new info prove once and for all that Redmask was killed because he failed, as he lost the battle?)

This post has been edited by Traveller: 26 March 2009 - 08:38 AM

[Sindriss]

I like the idea of Mappo, but I don't think he would accept unless it was to save Icarium or something. Maybe he would accept to gain the insight to help him with the souls and stuff.

[Aptorian]

Traveller, on Mar 26 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

Surely whoever is chosen to be Mortal Sword etc for the KC would have to be a willing participant to start with?

Icarium and Mappo, for example would need some convincing.

Redmask was being set up, but he didn't know why they were following him; he was apparently completely in the dark about their motives, which is presumably why the Matron is now sending a human out to help recruit.

(Also, doesn't this new info prove once and for all that Redmask was killed because he failed, as he lost the battle?)

I agree with everything here.

[Hetan]

Willing participant? How many times have we seen people chosen for a role unwillingly? Heboric, Gruntle, Toc and now Kalyth, to name a few.
It seems to be the other way round - that it's rare for anyone to choose - they're just.... taken.