[zwitterion]

It's a handsome book and, I was surprised to find, signed by SE. score? So far I'm almost convinced he's more suited to the novella than the doorstop. It's pretty great. This caught my eye and I wondered what anyone else thought of it:

Guld: "Are you a necromancer Bauchelain?"
Bauchelain: "...I have no interest in Hood's realm"
G: "Is it Hood's then? Some say it's the very opposite"

We know from various sources that the Jaghut warred on "Death" although who/what that was at the time I've no idea, and that Hood is a Jaghut, presumably one who assumed the throne in the warren of death at some point in that whole story. Is that all Guld is referring to? That Death is a stolen warren? Or is there some other implication there, that the warren was originally owned by / aspected to someone that is the "opposite" of death? The only ascendant I know of that is "life" aspected is the Queen of Dreams, but I don't think she's old enough to be involved in this. T'lan is also lifey, but I don't recall anyone controlling that. Any other ideas or correlating quotes?

[Aptorian]

Well, I think he's just being philosophical.

It's probably somewhere in between life and death. Warren of Undeath!

[HoosierDaddy]

zwitterion, on Mar 24 2009, 08:46 PM, said:

It's a handsome book and, I was surprised to find, signed by SE. score? So far I'm almost convinced he's more suited to the novella than the doorstop. It's pretty great. This caught my eye and I wondered what anyone else thought of it:

Guld: "Are you a necromancer Bauchelain?"
Bauchelain: "...I have no interest in Hood's realm"
G: "Is it Hood's then? Some say it's the very opposite"

We know from various sources that the Jaghut warred on "Death" although who/what that was at the time I've no idea, and that Hood is a Jaghut, presumably one who assumed the throne in the warren of death at some point in that whole story. Is that all Guld is referring to? That Death is a stolen warren? Or is there some other implication there, that the warren was originally owned by / aspected to someone that is the "opposite" of death? The only ascendant I know of that is "life" aspected is the Queen of Dreams, but I don't think she's old enough to be involved in this. T'lan is also lifey, but I don't recall anyone controlling that. Any other ideas or correlating quotes?

I think there are varying interpretations of what this could mean, but this is how I read it:

Are you a necromancer? Do you practice necromancy? Yes.
I have no interest in Hood's realm. I do not use the warren of Hood.
Is it Hood's then? Some say it's the very opposite..." You equate necromancy with Hood's warren? I disagree, here's why:

I think that necromancy is providing life to a previously inanimate death thing, so therefore it is not death-based but life-based. And, like Apt said, I think this is a philosophical debate amongst practitioners.

I know Quick or perhaps someone else (Gruntle/Guy who becomes soletaken bird/Emancipoor Reese), has a conversation with the 2 in MoI about their warrens, but I don't own that book so can't get relevant quote.

[zwitterion]

Good point I hadn't read it like that. I guess it is just about necromancy not hood's warren specifically. Oh well.

[Tremolo]

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Guld: "Are you a necromancer Bauchelain?"
Bauchelain: "...I have no interest in Hood's realm"
G: "Is it Hood's then? Some say it's the very opposite"

Seems to me like Guld could be questioning the statement that the realm belongs to Hood and not the other way around. At times Hood seems more like a custodian than a ruler of a warren. It is also his hiding place where he keeps himself away from the T'lan Imass search parties. So the realm keeps him alive.

[D'rek]

Tremolo, on 30 August 2009 - 01:48 PM, said:

QUOTE Guld: "Are you a necromancer Bauchelain?"
Bauchelain: "...I have no interest in Hood's realm"
G: "Is it Hood's then? Some say it's the very opposite"

Seems to me like Guld could be questioning the statement that the realm belongs to Hood and not the other way around. At times Hood seems more like a custodian than a ruler of a warren. It is also his hiding place where he keeps himself away from the T'lan Imass search parties. So the realm keeps him alive.

spoiler from tBH and RG:

Spoiler

Deadsmell, a healer in the 14th, uses Hood's Path because he too is a necromancer, but he uses it to heal. In RG, Balgrid talks about healing and necromancy being flip sides of the same coin, or so to speak. This shows the tight relationship between death/necromancy and life/healing. I would imagine Guld is indicating that some people say necromancy uses, in fact, more Denul than Hood's Path.

[Malaclypse]

Also,

QB explains in MoI that there are two kinds of necromancy, one involving the enslavement of demons and thus the warren of Aral Gamelon and the other associated with Hood's Path - Bauchelain is the Aral Gamelon sort of necromancer

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‘We’ll need a different warren for this,’ the wizard finally said. ‘The
choice is this: Hood’s own, or Aral Gamelon—’

‘Aral what? I’ve never heard—’
‘Demonic. Most conjurors who summon demons are opening a path
to Gamelon – though they probably don’t know it, not by its true name,
anyway. Granted, one can find demons in other warrens – the
Aptorians of Shadow, for example. But the Korvalahrai and the Galayn,
the Empire’s favoured, are both of Gamelon. Anyway, if my instincts
are accurate, there’s both kinds of necromancy present in that estate –
you did say there were two of them, didn’t you?’

[D'rek]

Unless you distinguish between the arts of summoning and necromancy, which I think actually you should. Bauchelain is a summoner, while Korbal Broach is a necromancer.

[Malaclypse]

Just to put the issue beyond all doubt :

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‘Demonic summoning. It’s the rarest and most difficult discipline
among the necromantic arts.’
Bauchelain responded with a modest shrug.
‘And the power it draws upon,’ Quick Ben continued, ‘while from
Hood’s own warren, is deeply tainted with Chaos. Striding both sides
of that border between those warrens. As an aside, why do you think
the summoning of demons is death-aspected?’
‘The assertion of absolute control over a life-force, Quick Ben. The
threat of annihilation is inherently death-aspected.

[D'rek]

Malaclypse, on 30 October 2009 - 05:27 PM, said:

Just to put the issue beyond all doubt [img]http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/Malazan/:(.gif[/img] :

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'Demonic summoning. It's the rarest and most difficult discipline
among the necromantic arts.'
Bauchelain responded with a modest shrug.
'And the power it draws upon,' Quick Ben continued, 'while from
Hood's own warren, is deeply tainted with Chaos. Striding both sides
of that border between those warrens. As an aside, why do you think
the summoning of demons is death-aspected?'
'The assertion of absolute control over a life-force, Quick Ben. The
threat of annihilation is inherently death-aspected.

Ah, good stuff, there goes my idea. Hmm, I guess Bauchelain just doesn't like Hood's Realm and sticks to Aral Gamelon, Chaos and whatever else. His Sinrith demon in MoI is certainly from Aral Gamelon, and he's also summoned Kenryll'ah (who are potentially from the Nascent), so I could see why Bauchelain might get away with saying he's not interested in Hood's Realm. Though I'm probably being beary pedantic and he just means that he likes summoning and not corpse-reanimating...

[CussersForChristmas]

Also in this vein is Deadsmell's narrative of his game with Hood (in the MBOTF) being life aspected in that he's spitting in the face of death with his necromancy and challenging Hood's control.

[IgnatiusKruppe]

And Hood loves it because Hood hates death too