[wareonia]

This may not be very important but it's just occured to me........

According to the Guardian of the forgotten gods Mael has not been around for a long, long time. What was he doing before he met Tehol?

The idea of a peeping tom elder god floating about trying to find an unknowing companian to wait hand on foot upon strikes me as a bit odd and perverted. Has immortality addled his poor brain?

This post has been edited by wareonia: 24 March 2009 - 04:35 PM

[Aptorian]

He got fed up with everything, worshippers, humans, civilization as a whole.

He basically just stopped being a god, maybe acting once in a while if things where getting completely screwy, but otherwise he turned a blind eye to the what was going on around him.

In the mean time it would seem he'd become some sort of holy man of some sort of the Lether races like the Nerek and Tarthenal.

[D'rek]

i would imagine he just does whatever striked his fancy, trying weird jobs, exploring and stuff. he was a dresser of the dead before becoming tehol's manservant...

[End of Disc One]

If I were a god living for hundreds of thousands of years, I would surely try living a human life every now and then.

[wareonia]

ah yes isn't that how he met Tehol, when he was a dresser of the dead?

Kind of like Death does in that Terry Pratchett novel (can't remember which one) where he becomes a farm hand.

It must be great working a shit job but knowing if you so wanted you could utterly crush your whining fool of a boss if they ever annoyed you too much. Just the thought of that will get me through to the end of the day.

[Smashy]

I thought Tehol kind of knew who Bugg is, but that Bugg erased his memory, I could be seriously mistaken, I have misinterpretted so much in this series. That is why I will have to read it again.

[HoosierDaddy]

Smashy, on Mar 25 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

I thought Tehol kind of knew who Bugg is, but that Bugg erased his memory, I could be seriously mistaken, I have misinterpretted so much in this series. That is why I will have to read it again.

No. Up until the end of MT, Tehol has no idea of who Bugg actually is in Wu life. What I am curious about is to how Bugg LOST his worshipers (minus a Mael Holocaust)?

[wareonia]

He didn't lose them, He had them in his pocket all along.

Seriously though he just stopped listening to them then most just drifted away they probably still worshiped the sea etc. Just not Mael directly maybe sea spirts and such like took up the slack.

I remember it being mentioned somewhere that Ruse (is that the sea warren?) is the hardest warren to master and there are no high mages of that warren to speak of. Do you think this is because Mael wasn't there looking after things. I know Ossiric has wandered off but someone was left as caretaker manager there so wasn't so much of a problem.

Have i stumbled on a gleaming nugget here or is this just obvious to everyone?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

I don't get it why you say Mael lost his worshipppers. To me it seems he's one of the few EG still worshipped.
I mean: The Mekros worship him, Silgar was a priest of Mael which makes me thinks that Nathii also worshipped Mael and Mallick Rel is even a Jhistal, a sort of High Priest of Mael

[Aptorian]

Jhistal is an elder name for destriant of Mael.

And I agree, Mael never lost his worshippers and they never allowed him to forget them.

[wareonia]

He was still worshiped but indirectly thats why he was so shocked when Withal prayed to him by name. I'm sure Withal said he was going to pray to their oldest God and kind of gave the impression people don't really do that in the modern age. Haven't got my book with me so can't provide quotes.


Edit: Hey my half century post. I feel like it's my coming of age (if i was Teblor).

This post has been edited by wareonia: 25 March 2009 - 04:00 PM

[D'rek]

Mael didn't lose his followers, but he distances himself from them somehow and the result is that they can all use his power pretty freely and he doesn't have to feel compelled by the wants of his followers.

[wareonia]

So how come his warren is the hardest to use?

[Aptorian]

wareonia, on Mar 25 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

So how come his warren is the hardest to use?

Good question. You learn some more about that warren in RG.

I'm guessing it has to do with the warren being very old, and it being controlled by currents and waves.

It's something that is not easily managed by a mortal.

wareonia, on Mar 25 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

Edit: Hey my half century post. I feel like it's my coming of age (if i was Teblor).

Just wait untill you reach the 5000th post mark. Come back and speak to me then

[Smashy]

wareonia, on Mar 25 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

So how come his warren is the hardest to use?

The Sea is a fickle mistress. Water can destroy pretty much anything, and Mael being so distant would make it very difficult to master this Warren.

[drinksinbars]

HoosierDaddy, on Mar 25 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

Smashy, on Mar 25 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

I thought Tehol kind of knew who Bugg is, but that Bugg erased his memory, I could be seriously mistaken, I have misinterpretted so much in this series. That is why I will have to read it again.

No. Up until the end of MT, Tehol has no idea of who Bugg actually is in Wu life. What I am curious about is to how Bugg LOST his worshipers (minus a Mael Holocaust)?

thats just wrong,t here are plenty of hints that tehol knows exactly who bugg is. most obvious is when brys and tehlo are discussing sleeping arrangements as brys things tehol is in danger and tehol remarks that buggs snoring is like waves crashing over and over again against rocks.

[Aptorian]

Not true, Dibs.

Tehol suspects that Bugg is much more than he is, how could he not with all the things Bugg knows and accomplishes, but he never asks because that is the rule of the game they're playing. It would spoil the fun.

Only when he wakes up in the cave under the river does the full scope of Buggs power hit Tehol and he knows his friend is a god.

[D'rek]

Not to mention that while Tehol does not know Bugg is Mael, Elder God of the Sea and all that, he still knows Bugg is something exceptional. He knows Bugg is the Waiting Man, known secretly throughout the city and called upon to deal with supernatural occurences, he knows (or claims) Bugg puts up wards around the house at night to protect them, and he's fully aware that there's no way they could really live off the crap they eat for their meals every day...

[Sixty]

Smashy, on Mar 25 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

I thought Tehol kind of knew who Bugg is, but that Bugg erased his memory, I could be seriously mistaken, I have misinterpretted so much in this series. That is why I will have to read it again.

Nah, he chooses not to at the end of MT and Tehol thanks him or something.

[Powder]

If Tehol knew who bugg was truly it would ruin everything for both of them. I saw that interchange as a chance for Bugg to stop being in charge of everything. The life of a servant is significantly less complicated than elder god of the seas. Couple that with Tehol's brillians and likable charm and you have a winning combination. Its never a weight being under someone who is exceptional, rather the two seemingly thrive off of being interdependant on one another.

To put it in another way.. One thinks of Montey Python and the Holy Grael. God says 'Every time I try to talk to someone it's sorry this and forgive me that, and I'm not worthy' ... It causes me to wonder if that is what anyone would want in a relationship. Tehol's relationship with Bugg is much more authentic.