Alright...a case on JA and Morgy.
Let me just start by saying that these two by themselves have been playing very clean..VERY clean.
And they both, as expected have given good "reasons" as to why they are not playing so clean...havent they?
One would expect that from these two as they are both experienced players.
Anyways...i started off looking through JA's posts.
I did this because there is something about him that was nagged at me, and then i figured it out.
Directly after dibs giot NK'd I made this post
dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:52 PM, said:
I think there is a decent chance that either Mentalist, bubba or JA are the killer. (ofcourse i am there as well)
Because when dibs came on this morning he stated that he is keeping stuff on certain players off the thread so not to attract the night kill, and the only people that have been online since dibs came on is JA, myself, ment and bubba. (sixty is dead)
Now this coupled with the fact that i obviously have been having a bit of a tiff with Dibs make's him a perfect target for night kill. Since now he cant reveal what he has been thinking and also set me up for a great wifom argument to get me lynched. 2 birds with one stone. I think the killer is very clever and experienced for sure.
I would also put morgy in there actually, simply because morgy talked a bit about how dibs is not playing normal and i know how morgy thinks....he could be thinking that dibs was roled.
I think both Morgy and JA are playing VERY clean games, and even though there is not much to go on with regards to these two (which is exactly the way they would be playing it), they definitely need to be looked at. JA is very good at playing clean when he is scum.
What worries me most about Morgy is that he is not stirring the pot as much as he normally does.
It would be very difficult getting a lynch on either of these guys with the way they have been playing up to this point. But if i get lynched or get killed REMEMBER THESE WORDS!!!!
Now up untill this point no one had put any heat on JA at all.
JA had been coasting like he was in the Caribbean up untill i said he could be the one to NK dibs.
After this JA got really stuck into gunning for myself.
Now we had a slight pissing match which ended in us clearing up my reasoning behind my reaction to dibs and his death.
The thing is, this is the only time JA came out of his shell...he has been non-confrontational untill this point.
I think, that he tried to forestall me by getting my all riled up before i could get any further in my thinking he is scum.
I mentioned both JA and Morgoth as potential scum in that post...and then JA pounced...interesting. (as JA would say
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Right...so now im looking through JA's clean posts (im not going to post all his posts to show that he says nothing , you can look for yourselves)...and i what struck me was how JA stayed away from the subject of morgoth....he doesnt mention Morgoth EVER...not as a suspect or anything. Never talks about him. He might have spoken to morgy here and there about mundain things but never does he brouch the subject that is morgoth.
He doesnt mention that morgoth should be watched, never pokes morgoth, never interacts with him in any agressive way...As experienced as he is, he should be looking harder at the other experienced players correct? He never mentions morgoth ever...strange...well not if they are partnered it isnt.
This is the closest thing i could find of JA looking at morgy
Jump Around, on Mar 24 2009, 05:15 PM, said:
Kurt is Californian, I think, and he' always obsessed about having me killed. That includes a few games back when we were paired finders to his great dismay.
Hmm, with us "oldies" knowing each other so well, I was expecting one to die, since it's been many games now where we're getting pretty good reads on each others, so if one is a killer I would think he's playing with fire now.
Morgoth says Grief had "roled" vibes, which I missed, if it's true then maybe. *looks at Morgoth*
Otherwise it goes indeed towards Sixty because of that modcraft crowd. Grief plays there, right?
Tell me does that not SCREAM to you that they are partnered....fuck I DO THAT SHIT!!
And Then i thought hang on a sec...lets check morgy.
As true as god he never ever says anything bad about JA???
I mean its JA...Who as a killer is a massive threat as he is hard to lynch, and plays very clean!!!
odd that...Morgoth knows this very well, as do we all.
Yet he never suspects, never pushes JA never pokes...never "suspects"
The only things i could find morgoth mentioning JA is on something that someone else has brought up first.
But its NEVER bad...its always dismissive or putting JA in a good light.
Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 04:24 PM, said:
If I were to make a list of suspects as this point, and thankfully there's no necromancers this time around so:
Bubba - His PI claim was all sorts of wrong in my book. It makes very little sense to me and seems more than anything like an attempt to get on my good side. That teamed up with a withdrawn play makes him my top candidate.
Yellow - I don't know. Yellow is playing odd. I don't like it but can't put my finger on it. Something else I'll have to look for on my re-read tonight.
JA - I'm finding myself nodding and saying yes, that is true to pretty much everything he says. I HATE it when that happens. It jsut seems off that I should find myself agreeing with someone all the time. I don't even agree with myself more than perhaps half in the typical mafia game.
He "Hates" agreeing with JA
Why put in the "Hates"...if you think about it it coulb be because he "hates" agreeing with his partner for the whoe thread to see.
I fond this a most disgusting distancing post...seriously..if they are paired then thats a classic "soft" distancing right there.
When looking for scum i think things kike that are gold...not too much to put any suspicion on your "suspect" but enough to say "ooh i had him as a suspect"
here's more
Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 10:54 AM, said:
Mentalist, on Mar 25 2009, 08:37 AM, said:
so, essentially, whenever I make a redundant post, JA's scumdar goes off like there's no tomorrow.
That's a pretty gross simplification, dont you think?
interesting...
Here is some more of what i like to call "soft distancing"
Like i mentioned, its a very mild berating of someone but you never give enough to actually cause any concern.
Myself i like to tear my partner a new one...
Morgoth, on Mar 24 2009, 04:50 PM, said:
I'm not quite as sure about this as you seem to be. I'm surprised people didn't pick up PS post about night and day times, but I think I would've assumed that the roled players are smart enough to send in provisionals.
Incidently, your argument JA can be turned to say that ending the day early may mean the killer hasn't had the time to send in his provisional.
Here is a post that gets me...he felt the need to say this on JA's behalf...typical killer playing down anything on his partner...its just classic sticking up for your partner in a non-schelant way.
Morgoth, on Mar 24 2009, 04:51 PM, said:
drinksinbars, on Mar 24 2009, 03:44 PM, said:
i am more concerned now by the fact ja didnt die at night!!! why was grief killed?
I thought perhaps it was just for the spam, which could implicate Obdi, yellow or myself. Though at the same time it could be meant thus too..
Or perhaps there was a clue somewhere in his posts as to a role. I must admitt I started skimming his post quite early
more defending on this very same topic later says its all wifom aswell
Morgoth, on Mar 24 2009, 04:55 PM, said:
dktorode, on Mar 24 2009, 03:54 PM, said:
drinksinbars, on Mar 24 2009, 04:44 PM, said:
i am more concerned now by the fact ja didnt die at night!!! why was grief killed?
This is true, but then you could have purposefully not killed him only to bring this up today as a setup
aye, who among us would not kill JA?
So now we have two very experienced players that are in my opinion dancing around one another.
Even though they SHOULD be looking hard and poking harder still at each other.
Instead Morgy is spending his time picking holes in other players posts and JA is pretty much ignoring the fact that morgy even exists.
Of course they "interact" on thread every now and then but there is never anything really in it.
Now we have about 30 minutes left...and i doubt we will be able to lynch any of these two even if we wanted.
Vote JA
I am voting JA because i think he is the killer and Morgy is the symp because JA was around while myself and dibs were arguing and would have been the one to change the kill to dibs just before sixty was lynched.
Morgoth 
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