[Fener]

Shadow, on Mar 16 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

It seems you wasted a kill on someone who might have voted for you. It would have been better to keep the vig kill rather than waste it.

I had it for a max 24 hours, and thought I had to leave earlier.
Am only still on comp now because got some homework to do.

[Fener]

Anyway, basically holding on till the endgame like usual vig practice wasn't an option, and Galain seemed most scummy.

Anyone else on?

Now galains gone I've not really got much of a read on other people.

[D'riss]

holy shit. This is the weirdest early game I've stumbled upon in my time. 5 dead now? Shit.

There's no town and scum here. We win by surviving. The best way to survive as I see it is to hunt down the people with kills. The fewer people around able to murder at will the better my chance of survival. It seems to me some people don't see the game this way.

Fener's vig was odd, but not in any way a bad thing. Or, it turned out to be bad as it reduced our amount of oxygen but the basic idea was good. Galain was obviously very uncomfortable revealing anything which could've meant he had a potentialy harmful role.

Fener's vig makes it clear that he was (or that's not true, it makes it likely) not responsible for any of the other kills. He says he's a vig and used his kill on Galain. I don't trust that. What if he has more kills? The fuck if I'll risk the chance of letting someone able to kill me in the future live.

Silanah strikes me as a good candidate for one of the early killers, more so than Rashan, though by no means by much. Still, Fener has votes and the quicker we get him out of the way the more oxygen we'll have left.

vote

[Kessobahn]

Yeah I just finished my classes and caught up.

Things are looking grim- loss of oxygen from the exposion and multiple deaths. This is a 10+ so I'm not too surprised but still.

I'm thinking there may be a high poster killer role, Obdi said there was a lurker-killer role so it would make sense to have a high poster one as well, especially since Tennes was killed (was HP high poster at time of death?). Though if Tennes was the captain maybe someone with the alternate victory conditions had to take him out.

Though after Fener's vig I wonder if other bad things will happen when people are vig killed. Losing 2 of 6 oxygen tanks isn't good.

Finally by referring to the watersucker as such, does that mean we think it breathes the water rather than oxygen?

[D'riss]

I also remembered that I was a bit surprised by Kaschans' death scene.. All the others we've found dead. Kaschan however was simply gone. Does that mean he's been killed, locked away or that he's hiding?

The first is the most likely, I'm merely not wanting to discount any possibilities.

[Fener]

D'riss, on Mar 16 2009, 10:17 PM, said:

holy shit. This is the weirdest early game I've stumbled upon in my time. 5 dead now? Shit.

There's no town and scum here. We win by surviving. The best way to survive as I see it is to hunt down the people with kills. The fewer people around able to murder at will the better my chance of survival. It seems to me some people don't see the game this way.

Fener's vig was odd, but not in any way a bad thing. Or, it turned out to be bad as it reduced our amount of oxygen but the basic idea was good. Galain was obviously very uncomfortable revealing anything which could've meant he had a potentialy harmful role.

Fener's vig makes it clear that he was (or that's not true, it makes it likely) not responsible for any of the other kills. He says he's a vig and used his kill on Galain. I don't trust that. What if he has more kills? The fuck if I'll risk the chance of letting someone able to kill me in the future live.

Silanah strikes me as a good candidate for one of the early killers, more so than Rashan, though by no means by much. Still, Fener has votes and the quicker we get him out of the way the more oxygen we'll have left.

vote

Umm, are you suggesting I was also responsible for any earlier kills? Cause that would mean that I would be able to kill every few hours. Game would be over very very quickly.

Or do you mean you think i'm a killer rather than a vig?

In which case why wouldn't I just pretend to leave, wait an hour or so, and kill him, not revealing it was me, and the WIFOM of it would probably protect me.

Still, I can't see myself surviving.

Paranoid people with or without kills are going to worry I can kill again, I suppose. And i've already got a lot of votes. Silly as they may be, they can't be removed, so I don't see myself surviving.

Still, with so many votes now, wouldn't it be better to look for a killer elsewhere.

I've revealed. You know who I am. I have several votes by now I imagine, so won't be hard to eliminate later.

So yes. You know all there is about me by now I reckon, so wouldn't it be better to try and find others who can kill, rather than me, who you know about, and can keep an eye on fairly easily etc.

This post has been edited by Fener: 16 March 2009 - 10:25 PM

[D'riss]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 12:25 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 16 2009, 10:17 PM, said:

holy shit. This is the weirdest early game I've stumbled upon in my time. 5 dead now? Shit.

There's no town and scum here. We win by surviving. The best way to survive as I see it is to hunt down the people with kills. The fewer people around able to murder at will the better my chance of survival. It seems to me some people don't see the game this way.

Fener's vig was odd, but not in any way a bad thing. Or, it turned out to be bad as it reduced our amount of oxygen but the basic idea was good. Galain was obviously very uncomfortable revealing anything which could've meant he had a potentialy harmful role.

Fener's vig makes it clear that he was (or that's not true, it makes it likely) not responsible for any of the other kills. He says he's a vig and used his kill on Galain. I don't trust that. What if he has more kills? The fuck if I'll risk the chance of letting someone able to kill me in the future live.

Silanah strikes me as a good candidate for one of the early killers, more so than Rashan, though by no means by much. Still, Fener has votes and the quicker we get him out of the way the more oxygen we'll have left.

vote

Umm, are you suggesting I was also responsible for any earlier kills? Cause that would mean that I would be able to kill every few hours. Game would be over very very quickly.

Or do you mean you think i'm a killer rather than a vig?

In which case why wouldn't I just pretend to leave, wait an hour or so, and kill him, not revealing it was me, and the WIFOM of it would probably protect me.

Still, I can't see myself surviving.

Paranoid people with or without kills are going to worry I can kill again, I suppose. And i've already got a lot of votes. Silly as they may be, they can't be removed, so I don't see myself surviving.

Still, with so many votes now, wouldn't it be better to look for a killer elsewhere.

I've revealed. You know who I am. I have several votes by now I imagine, so won't be hard to eliminate later.

So yes. You know all there is about me by now I reckon, so wouldn't it be better to try and find others who can kill, rather than me, who you know about, and can keep an eye on fairly easily etc.

I'm suggesting there's no way for us to be sure. So, I'm going for the better safe than sorry approach. There's no reason for me to keep you alive what so ever. If you've used up your one and only power, well then you're just sitting there breathing my oxygen. If you can use it more than once well then better to take you out before you get the chance to use it on someone that could be me. I don't care how many people survive with me. I care that I survive.

Also, it's unlikely that you're rigged to another bomb or something seeing that you've got kills.

Why you somehow assume I'm not looking for other killers besides you is beyond me. I'm not going to throw my vote out at random however, I'm using it where it might count, and count soon.

[D'riss]

sorry for the double post, but there's no way I'll just buy your reveal. It's quite probable but not certain and most likely impossible to verify.

[Fener]

Kessobahn, on Mar 16 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

14 people seems like a lot for Obdi to keep alive, something is bound to happen that hurts the oxygen supply since 6 people will most likely die even without votes to lynch.

Considering how early this post was, strikes me as very odd.

[Fener]

D'riss, on Mar 16 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

sorry for the double post, but there's no way I'll just buy your reveal. It's quite probable but not certain and most likely impossible to verify.

Considering you've voted and couldn't retract whether you wanted to or not it doesn't really matter.

Yes, it's impossible to verify.

[Fener]

Sorry about that.

I'd advise kesso might be a good idea to keep alive.

Then again, why wouldn't bomb people just reveal, since no ones gonna want to kill them?

Unless only kills and not lynches activate or something.

[D'riss]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 12:38 AM, said:

Sorry about that.

I'd advise kesso might be a good idea to keep alive.

Then again, why wouldn't bomb people just reveal, since no ones gonna want to kill them?

Unless only kills and not lynches activate or something.

good point.. Hm, I'd certainly reveal it. Perhaps he didn't think about. Perhaps he didn't know or perhaps it was your method of killing that did it. It's hard to tell. As for you, you should be somewhat pleased all things said. Who's going to waste a kill on you now? You're the obvious lynch meaning kills are better aimed elsewhere. With so many people gone it's likely it will be quite some time before we've managed to get rid of you.

[D'riss]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 12:35 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Mar 16 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

14 people seems like a lot for Obdi to keep alive, something is bound to happen that hurts the oxygen supply since 6 people will most likely die even without votes to lynch.

Considering how early this post was, strikes me as very odd.

To an extent yes, but it would hardly to take a genious to think there'd be chances for the tanks to blow. Tiss a 10+ after all. There's probably a role somewhere able to protect the tanks too. Or, at least we can hope.

[Fener]

Just the language. Bound to happen?

Seems fairly confident that the tanks can be destroyed.

And why would I be pleased?

I'm unlikely to be NK'd, but very likely to die by lynch.

Not exactly the best thing to be pleased about.

[Fener]

Anyway, since you can't reach the required amounts in but a day...

Can't touch this!

[Shadow]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 12:47 AM, said:

Anyway, since you can't reach the required amounts in but a day...

Can't touch this!

Tennes claimed to have double posts, who says other cant either?

[Fener]

But why would they hurt me?

Other than "Well, he's not me" which is always the best reason in Every man for himself games.

[D'riss]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 12:56 AM, said:

But why would they hurt me?

Other than "Well, he's not me" which is always the best reason in Every man for himself games.

And because you might be able to kill.. Why you revealed as you did is beyond me.

[Fener]

Because I can't and hoped people would think about it reasonably rather than just think "Well, he's not me. He MIGHT have kills. Yeah, whatever" and lynch me. Ofc, the chance of me having kills is just as much as anyone elses. Just that I admitted to having one. So I could be a vig, or I could be a killer. 50/50 chance.
Same as everyone else. They could be a killer, or they could not. 50/50.

[D'riss]

Fener, on Mar 17 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

Because I can't and hoped people would think about it reasonably rather than just think "Well, he's not me. He MIGHT have kills. Yeah, whatever" and lynch me. Ofc, the chance of me having kills is just as much as anyone elses. Just that I admitted to having one. So I could be a vig, or I could be a killer. 50/50 chance.
Same as everyone else. They could be a killer, or they could not. 50/50.

urm... I'd like to see how you reached that charming piece of probability.

You can kill. You've proved this without a doubt. You're the only one we know can kill. The only question is whether you can kill once, or every 24 hours or whatever the limit may be.

The rest of us, well the chance of picking out a killer among the lot is quite a bit smaller.

It's perfectly logical to go for you.