[Anomandaris]

Galain, on Mar 16 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 16 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Coming in before the second kill without having been there long before.

So what? You've been on long enough to make all the kills, so what's your point?

Silanah, on Mar 16 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Well, it would be nice to know who you voted for...

I'm sure it would.

Yeah, so I have - but I've also revealed and I can be called out on it as long as someone I used it on is still alive, no? The same does not go for you.

[Fener]

So you just expect to be able to vote without giving anyone any information they can use to work stuff out?
That's a very conservative way of playing.
Got something to hide?

[Fener]

Galain, on Mar 16 2009, 08:08 PM, said:

Fener, on Mar 16 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

I am not panicking. I am asking a question.

Why did you vote?

Why are you so reluctant to say.

Voting without a reason is something that is very odd. If we know reasons for voting, we can judge them, and try to figure out certain things. For example, who is killing people.

I already said why. I have decided who to vote for, so I voted right away, without waiting - it's pretty obvious time is important.

Edit: I am not just voting randomly, I have a good reason for voting.

Well it would be nice to know it, rather than just having to take your word.

If its a good reason, why the reluctance to say what it is?

[Galain]

Fener, on Mar 16 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

So you just expect to be able to vote without giving anyone any information they can use to work stuff out?
That's a very conservative way of playing.
Got something to hide?

And why are you trying to drag information out of me? Voting is good for the collective. Not voting is bad. And in case you haven't figured it out, giving information might not be a good idea.

[Fener]

Why am I trying to get info from you?

Because info is GOOD.

Knowing stuff helps us figure things out.

Now us being in the dark may be good for you, but I fail to see how it is for anyone else, bar a role related vote.

[Galain]

Again, giving information might be a very very bad thing. If you can't trust me, you can't trust anybody else either. Unless you're not really scared of anyone, which is interesting in itself. What are you trying to accomplish? I don't like you.

[Mockra]

well we need to lynch people and you already had two votes, and i didnt trust your play.

[Emurlahn]

Ugh, Kaschan's dead too? Killed, apparently. That doesn't help much.

Fener, you've told us you had orchestra practice or something; that's an easy lie to make. Oh, someone died and you realized you were narrowed down as the killer? Quick, make up an alibi! Go!

Yeah.

[Fener]

Galain, on Mar 16 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Again, giving information might be a very very bad thing. If you can't trust me, you can't trust anybody else either. Unless you're not really scared of anyone, which is interesting in itself. What are you trying to accomplish? I don't like you.

That is an entirely contradictory sentence.

Firstly:

I can't trust anyone else either. Well done sherlock. Have a prize.
This is mafia. I don't just automatically trust people.
Unless I'm not scared of anyone? Why would me being less scared make me more trustful? Besides, Obdi stated no scum/town etc. So, unless you're saying you think all the killers know each other etc, then any killer would be just as scared as anyone else. And they'd still have lynches to fear. Unless you think i'm the predator?
What am I trying to accomplish? Take a guess. A wild one. How about, the same as everyone else. Survival. And the best way of doing that I can see is finding and lynching the people who can kill. And it's far easier to find people you look for when you have information. Is there a problem with that?

Oh, and you've voted someone with no explanation, nor saying who it is.
This makes no sense. How can you expect to get someone lynched as you claim, without explaining why they should be. Without even saying who it is?

[Fener]

Mockra, on Mar 16 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

well we need to lynch people and you already had two votes, and i didnt trust your play.

I already had two votes?

I love this reasoning.

Thats 1 more than someone else, and 2 more than most.

Not much, considering we need 20.

So, what happened to convenient timing. You still haven't explained that at all.

[Galain]

You're trying to get me to give you information so you can exploit it, to survive. I won't give it to you, to survive.

Stop acting like you're doing everybody a favor - you're no hero, you're selfish like everybody else.

I'm not going to trust anybody until I absolutely have to. I am not going to say anything on thread that might hurt me, because if I do, I might aswell get myself modkilled. Make of that what you will. But stop acting like you know how this game is supposed to be played.

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Mar 16 2009, 08:20 PM, said:

Ugh, Kaschan's dead too? Killed, apparently. That doesn't help much.

Fener, you've told us you had orchestra practice or something; that's an easy lie to make. Oh, someone died and you realized you were narrowed down as the killer? Quick, make up an alibi! Go!

Yeah.

It would be an easy lie to make. Not much I can do about that. It's the truth.
I can give you lots of information about it if you would like.

[Fener]

Galain:

Firstly, you just hinted that, if we knew whatever about you, we would certainly lynch you. Doesn't fill me with hope.

Secondly, how can you expect someone to be lynched wihtout saying who, or why?

[Emurlahn]

I could also claim I wasn't online these 5 minutes since your post because I had an epic dump of legendary proportions going and I could explain it in excruciating detail...but it wouldn't be true, it'd be a lie. An elaborate lie, true, but a lie nonetheless.

[Galain]

Fener, since you have such trouble getting this game, let me explain it to you.

This is essentially every man for himself, in the end anyone might get lynched, because they will only be useful to the collective up to a certain point. Which means the first rule is "don't trust anybody". Secondly, people will vote for players that will help give themselves a better chance of survival, which means the preservation of the collective. But we have to assume there are some really bad people out there, with some bad attitude and bad abilities, which means that preserving the collective and furthering survival chances sometimes means not giving up information unless it's a good idea.

If you don't get this, you're either bad company or you will lose.



Edit: grammar

Edit: I might add that people easily could lie about who they vote for, just like people sometimes fake reveal.

This post has been edited by Galain: 16 March 2009 - 08:39 PM

[Fener]

Well, Emurlahn, I could claim that a little robotic bird gifted me with a nice little vig.
I could also claim that I will be passing it on, either upon death, or 24 hrs after I was given it.
I could also claim that I am using it on galain.

The last, at least, will be shortly proven.

I dislike the fact that, if I were to know about you, then I would lynch you, and you may as well be modkilled.

Goodbye.

[Galain]

I don't know if you would, fener, but I am assuming you might. Also: huh?

[Emurlahn]

He's claiming a vig on you or something?

[Anomandaris]

Fener, on Mar 16 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

Well, Emurlahn, I could claim that a little robotic bird gifted me with a nice little vig.
I could also claim that I will be passing it on, either upon death, or 24 hrs after I was given it.
I could also claim that I am using it on galain.

The last, at least, will be shortly proven.

I dislike the fact that, if I were to know about you, then I would lynch you, and you may as well be modkilled.

Goodbye.

Oh wow.
Well well well, an OMGUS vig, if our dear pork chops is speaking the truth. This just gets better and better - soon, there's enough oxygen for everyone and we can all be fwiends.

[Path-Shaper]

You find Galain still bleeding out in the cockpit. You see a little box on his ankle, with a winking red light. He looks up at you and smiles and utters 'I knew this would happen.'.

Galain Dies. The red light goes out. You see a red light behind you. The ship shakes. Explosion.

The computer's voice comes on through the loudspeaker 'We have lost 2 of the remaining 6 oxygen tanks.'

In 15 Minutes:

You have 163 hours until you enter the atmosphere.

You have 1797 Oxygen Units.

The 16 Alive are:
Gamelon, Silanah, Galayn lord, kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Anomandaris, Rashan, Emurlahn, Fener, D'riss, Shadow, Ruse, Serc, Telas, Omtose.

You need 20 votes to kill someone.