[Galayn Lord]

Further down the path of time:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 10:59 PM, said:

so it's 6:4:4 for Silanah:Korlat:D'riss right now

the fact that there hasn't been a major pileup on a single play as usually happens on Day 1 (Ano's worst nightmare, apparently) is curious.
we have an almost equal distribution between three players.

makes me think at least one of the 3's gotta be scum...

One of the 3 or only Korlat? Because at one point you had the choice between Silanah and D'riss, and you went for Korlat. Then you had the choice between Silanah and nobody, and you went with nobody. 33% are good odds IMO

[Galayn Lord]

OK, then going back further I arrive to the post where I quoted all his non-comments made during the mess that involved Korlat, D'riss and Silanah.

I guess that's my case for now, I'll let others show up to not end up with tunnel-vision, but that's a good lynch for today IMO.

[Galayn Lord]

D'riss, on Mar 11 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 11 2009, 12:46 AM, said:

Kess and Fener... I don't know what to make of that O_______o

I would say we have smart killers, going for middle of the road players. not good.

going to bed later folks

Smart killers? Killers are very often middle-of-the-road themselves

[Serc]

I feel like I should do something before I crawl off to bed, but I'd rather wait ... and see what Telas has to say for himself. He hasn't had much of substance so far. But, hell, neither have I. I'm just not trying to make up for a lack of quality with quantity, though.

So GL makes a convincing argument, but there's plenty of time left in the Day.

[Galayn Lord]

Day 1 was surprisingly content-heavy. In the same way, I have less issues with the lowest posters in this game than I normally have.

Except Galain, which I haven't noticed so far, and concerns me a little KillerRadar-wise

[Rashan]

cant believe we didnt get a lynch yesterday with two very good suspects for scum (sil and korlat) and driss as well.

7 for Silanah - Rashan, Gamelon, Korlat, Galayn Lord, Serc, Anomandaris, D'riss
2 for Korlat - Omtose, Telas
5 for D'riss - Silanah, Kessobahn, Emurlahn, Kaschan, Fener
1 for Telas - Mockra

given that both are off the driss train i have to think they were framing him tbh. why did fener not swap to silanah?

vote silanah

though i was tempted by both telas and korlat.

This post has been edited by Rashan: 11 March 2009 - 09:40 AM

[Galayn Lord]

I hate Obdi's tendency of not revealing the alt of the dead players. No CF is hard enough, but now we can't even retroactively meta-analyze the dead players to see if there's some scum down

[Galayn Lord]

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

vote silanah

though i was tempted by both telas and korlat.

I agree that Telas was most certainly covering someone's ass. Whether it's Silanah or D'riss is not certain to me, which is why I chose Telas for now.

Ironically, one possibility is that he was covering both, in which case it means either Silanah and D'riss are having some brain medication issues, or that they are independent killers and the symp knew them both, which is why he stayed so silent during the whole mess involving these two and Korlat.

[Omtose]

I think there is a word for Telas: Vacuous.

The problem is whether he is being so maliciously. I see this in a similar way to D'riss's angry overbearing behaviour - if it is done for obfuscatory purposes it obviously needs addressing in lynch form. If it is playstyle and he is innocent, then I'd still rather not have him around. People like Gamelon and Telas who seem to be messing tings around and being disruptive are a hindrance to other innocents, but we can only get rid of them if we have breathing space to do so, and with not having CFs and not having any idea of the starting balance between the killers and town, I have no idea if we can actually get rid of innocent nuisances without majorly jeopardising our chances of lynching the guilty.

However, as I have Silanah fairly high on my suspect list, the "coin toss" that Telas performed to avoid hammering seems to be fairly malicious, and I'm willing to vote for either him or Silanah at this point.

vote telas

[Galayn Lord]

Mockra, on Mar 11 2009, 10:36 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 11 2009, 06:46 AM, said:

Kess and Fener... I don't know what to make of that O_______o

Smart killers.

By the way, I just saw this? Another "smart killer" comment? WTF? How on hell do you guys know one of them didn't kill the other?

Or are you just high-fiving yourself on thread? At least explain what you mean by these comments.

[Rashan]

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 03:31 AM, said:

sigh
heads: I hammer
tails: I don't

here goes...

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 03:31 AM, said:

it's tails
Sil gets to live.

this is the weakest reason not to vote ever. dmanit i think telas could be sil's symp. ARRGGGH.

[Rashan]

cross post there. i would vote for telas, but i defo think that sils should have been lynched and those on at the time trying to move the vote onto driss where doing so because they didnt want to lynch sil. bloody weak reasoning, using the clock as an excuse. even kaschan could have hammered but instead said, 1 minute left.

so we had three players (one of whom is dead) not hammering sil and telas reasoning was the most obvious and idiotic. while fener(dead) said he would swap and didnt. kaschan instead of voting simply said a minute left. so he is down as possibly symp too.

[Galayn Lord]

On the other hand, we're still talking about those two (D'riss/Silanah), and if they are both inno it's fucking gold for the killers and symps.

[Rashan]

if they were both inno the killers would have pushed one lynch, better to get rid of people, we would still be discussing driss and korlat today which would have used two more lynches to clear out and two deaths at night, if wrong we would have 6 nks and 3 lynchs so be down to 8 players with at least 3 evils so they would need tjust one more lynch to win.

[Galayn Lord]

Good point, with no CF they don't have to worry we see an "inno" and jump on the alternative.

While getting an inno lynch that people thought scummy, they can start planting the "one scum down" idea in people's minds.

Hmmm, that no-CF has many subtleties.

[Mockra]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

Mockra, on Mar 11 2009, 10:36 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 11 2009, 06:46 AM, said:

Kess and Fener... I don't know what to make of that O_______o

Smart killers.

By the way, I just saw this? Another "smart killer" comment? WTF? How on hell do you guys know one of them didn't kill the other?

Or are you just high-fiving yourself on thread? At least explain what you mean by these comments.

Smart as in leaving Korlat, thereby keeping him around for discussion (scum? finder?) without solving the mystery for us.

It was prudent as well because of what D'riss said earlier as explanation for calling attention to Korlat's fake reveal.

Then, the kills also correspond with people voting for D'riss.
At least a few suspect he is being framed, but it might be that he is scum, and since he collected a lot of votes already he too is a person that will be debated hotly in the future, as the kills being on his train will stick in our minds, and can and most likely will be dragged up.
Now, since the killers are in two teams, this must be either luck (both determining this to be the best strategy & picking two different people), or some good signing.

And finally, the killers, through Kaschan's observation that he couldn't deduce anything out of it, my remark, and your subsequent question make us come up with explanations on why they made this move, giving them further info and leaving us guessing with a multitude of new options, which may or may not be wrong and/or mutually exclusive.

Second guessing kills is a quagmire and we're still going to do it now... maybe with disastrous results .

All of that does not exclude the possibility that one killer hit another, by the way.

[Mockra]

Did I just kill the thread, again?

3 fellow lurkers. Come on, speak up

[Galayn Lord]

I'm around but I said my bit, I'm curious to hear other angles.

It's Kessobahn's loss we're feeling

[Korlat]

by god... what is this?

Well, I'll have to revise my opinions some.. Kaschan still gleams the symp to my mind and the failure to lynch Silanah should set off a whole range of alarmbells. The way Telas flipped a coin?! Kaschan's one minute left yet I won't vote thing, it all points to Silanah being a killer.

Also, a player almost lynched day 1 is fiendishly difficult to lynch if we wait another day or two. Silanah I thought was a possible killer, how they day ended convinced me that he is not only a possibility. he is.

Vote Silanah

When it comes to the night kills, I have no problems understanding why Fener and Kessobahn ended up dead. It's a sensible move in a way, taking out someone fairly innocent looking while at the same time causing fingers to be pointed towards D'riss and me. *shrugs*, wifom sure, but there's always some meaning to be found.

[Omtose]

I'm here, but I don't have anything to add at the moment. I'm sorta waiting for some responses to last night's shenanigans and the questions brought up this morning.

I did do my customary exercise of trying to write down the names of all the players I knew to be playing and basically ranking them in my suspicions, and there were two I had to go and check to see what alt they were: Galain and Tennes. I'd forgotten these two were playing.