[Emurlahn]

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 12:26 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

your not too bright are you?

Well I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but if he's too stupid to drink it?
A fake reveal is just what a scum wants with no CF. Because there is always enough stupid people to follow his lead. "That's right lynch this one" "Oh don't worry he's scum, you will see at the end of the game. Trust Me"

Edit: He is more than likely the symp.

Hahahaha, are you serious? I presume your not.

Just in case you are, did you read the rules? You know there are two teams of scum who don't know each other right?
For starters do the killers know their symps are you implying they do? Otherwise why would they know they are their symp? Early on in Day 1 no less.

Next how is one scum going to know the revealed person is a Finder or a symp? Its very possible if someone is revealing as Finder they found someone in the other scum team to theirs, and would think it could be me next, I better kill the Finder. Its a death sentence as the Finder has to die. No symp is going to risk it.

18 players two teams of scum, it means the scum teams can't be very big so a symp revealing as Finder early on would really kill it for their team.


Two other points.
1) When we are getting 2 kills every night and the Finder is not being NKed I think we might find that a touch suspicious we then lynch the Finder. Thats one scum down, small teams, thats a hit they might not want.

2) More importantly, what your saying hasn't happened at all. Your making this up, Korlat didn't reveal as Finder and pointed out who should be lynch. Its a slip that has been brought to light either sarcasm or unintental. It doesn't read as a fake Finder reveal and and now your voting on a possible Finder slip. Thats scummy and I have pointed it out.

[D'riss]

@ Silanah Look, All the things I have said needed to be said right off the bat, so that they are not swept under the rug. As it is the people that are pushing on this are you and Emurlahn(In the wrong direction IMO). I'm just responding to you both.

If this is a slip? He just fucked the team hard. But from how he was fairly on top of his game when he did it, I don't believe it was a slip.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 10 March 2009 - 05:38 AM

[Galayn Lord]

220 posts??

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 10 March 2009 - 05:36 AM

[D'riss]

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 12:26 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

your not too bright are you?

Well I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but if he's too stupid to drink it?
A fake reveal is just what a scum wants with no CF. Because there is always enough stupid people to follow his lead. "That's right lynch this one" "Oh don't worry he's scum, you will see at the end of the game. Trust Me"

Edit: He is more than likely the symp.

Hahahaha, are you serious? I presume your not.

Just in case you are, did you read the rules? You know there are two teams of scum who don't know each other right?
For starters do the killers know their symps are you implying they do? Otherwise why would they know they are their symp? Early on in Day 1 no less.

Next how is one scum going to know the revealed person is a Finder or a symp? Its very possible if someone is revealing as Finder they found someone in the other scum team to theirs, and would think it could be me next, I better kill the Finder. Its a death sentence as the Finder has to die. No symp is going to risk it.

18 players two teams of scum, it means the scum teams can't be very big so a symp revealing as Finder early on would really kill it for their team.


Two other points.
1) When we are getting 2 kills every night and the Finder is not being NKed I think we might find that a touch suspicious we then lynch the Finder. Thats one scum down, small teams, thats a hit they might not want.

2) More importantly, what your saying hasn't happened at all. Your making this up, Korlat didn't reveal as Finder and pointed out who should be lynch. Its a slip that has been brought to light either sarcasm or unintental. It doesn't read as a fake Finder reveal and and now your voting on a possible Finder slip. Thats scummy and I have pointed it out.

I'm done talking to you. You are not playing with a full deck.

[Serc]

I'm more than a bit sick right now, but ...

Maybe Korlat slipped up honestly, or maybe not. What would be the point of a fake Finder reveal by scum on Day 1? My feverish opinion is that it's a at least possibly a subtle fake-reveal. Can't say as I see the point, but my brain's a bit fried, and I'm starting to wonder what my trackball might taste like, and the letters on the screen are starting to dance, so that sort of analysis should probably wait until I'm healthy, by which point it'll likely be moot.

Anyways ... I'm going to start rambling soon from this flu, so off to bed.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 11:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Mar 9 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

according to that logic, since the majority of us opay it no heed, you've already lost,

I know and it breaks my heart to have to lynch you all. But if it must be done then so be it. I am hoping that several of you are merely being illogical pawns in this scheme to protect Korlat.

suspects

Korlat (obvious scum)

Shadow (symp trying to draw attention away from his master)

Silanah (Possible symp, more then likely an illogical pawn)

Omtose (probably a pawn)

Telas (on the right track but is instead voting for the symp)

D'riss (probably a pawn)

Tennes (confused player who hasn't yet read my logical case on Korlat)

Me (logical and attempting to keep the thread on track)

So that is half of the players. A lot of pawns which is logical knowing the people who are playing in this game.

Back and catching up, saw this, looks sympy to me, what with both "probably pawns" being in the middle of the list. I am also disappointed that you forgot me! More in a minute 4 pages left to read.

Still catching up, but I agree with Ano's comment. I had the same post quoted in another tab for the same reason. I believe Gamelon is a symp (on top of his way too-serious "case" that he keeps bringing back for no reason. I can't believe that so early in the game he himself would be so convinced)

[Emurlahn]

Your done talking with me D'riss? Why? Isn't this a game of Mafia aren't we meant to talk? If thats going to be your attitude every time someone disagrees with you is to ignore them then I'm not sure if Mafia is the game for you.

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

Almost there.

Again, something I completely agree with. 'Revealing" finder is a very stupid thing to do. There's two killer teams, so if Korlat is a scum trying to not get lynched, he's get shafted by the other killer team. They don't care if Korlat is finder or other scum.

I don't know if it means that Korlat is scum, finder, or strange RI, since none of those make sense, but it means there's no point voting for him. A la Jester last game.

[Galayn Lord]

Well, I should go and edit my "KHAAAAAAN!" post, those 220 posts were full of juicy content, not spam like I first feared.


For now I will

remove vote


I'm surprised by Silanah's vehement defense of Korlat. Like I just said, it doesn't matter what Korlat is, there's a good chance his "funny/slip" will cost him his life. Either lynch, or NK from one of the two killers team. It sucks if he's inno, it's devastating if he's finder, but that's not our fucking fault, it's his.

I would agree not to vote him, but I'm not sure what Silanah's argument is here. What is he trying to say? That Korlat was just joking? So what? Is it worth sticking out your neck like that?

There's no CF, so no danger in scum defending themselves within subtle limits, since no "scum" CF will come back to bite them. I'll have to re-read a few parts before I vote in case I'm missing something.

[Omtose]

Hmmm. I was catching up on the thread and Gamelon's list does look like some sort of message from a symp or even some distancing - I'm always wary of posts containing large amounts of names at the beginning, as it is an easy way because only the person/people they signal to will catch it easily. I then found it illuminating that when someone pointed out that it was fishy, Korlat immediately dismissed it as being a joke.

Then Korlat got involved in more funny stuff with the supposed role claim. Even as a joke it's still far from the smartest thing to do. There is no correct reason to do something like this. And then Silanah's defence of Korlat's 'reveal' was also odd.

vote Korlat

Out of the people who have drawn my suspicion he seems most likely to be a killer to me. If he's innocent, he really needs to brush up on his innocent play.

[Galayn Lord]

OK, we have been modless for a while, and if it's only Obdi he won't be back for a while. I need this to figure out what to do.

Consider it non-official, but correct AFAIK


There are around 28 hours in Day 1.

These are alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

10 votes to lynch, 9 for night.
Votes:
1 for Anomandirs - Korlat
2 for Silanah - Rashan, Shadow
5 for Korlat - Anomandaris, D'riss, Kaschan, Serc, Omtose
1 for Serc - Telas
1 for D'riss - Silanah

[Galayn Lord]

From this I will add my vote to Silanah

vote Silanah


I understand the point about Korlat, and wouldn't mind changing if needed at some point, but the thing is:

Korlat's play was dumb whether he's scum or inno. He targets himself for attention, from the innos during the day, and from both teams of killers during the night. Or one team of killers if he's a killer. Why would he do that?

Silanah's play only makes sense if he's scum. I explain: without the CF, there's no way an inno would go and defend someone like he did Korlat. You can say you don't agree and not vote, but he went way beyond that. As for voting for D'riss "because he pointed out the finder reveal", no offense but if a killer sees a finder slip, why would he care to point it out on thread? He would know what to do, and it doesn't involve getting dirty. That defense, and that vote, screams "exagerated defense".

I have seen this kind of defense in two different settings: a killer knowing who is inno and trying to get score some points by "sticking out for him" if he ever gets killed. This, of course, makes no sense in a non-CF game since there is no validation. The only thing that makes sense in this particular setting is a symp despairing for his killer and trying to get the lynch instead of him, or a symp/killer fake-symping an inno to add pressure on him.

So, in this last scenario, Korlat is either killer or inno, and Silanah is either killer or symp.

Note: I do not imagine a inno would, in good faith, defend someone he thought inno so much without a CF. Like I said, there is no validation, so if the defended inno gets lynched at some point, it means that the majority thought he could be scum. Without the CF, there is nothing to prove them wrong, so whoever defended too strongly becomes a good target. I'm not saying we should all agree with each other, but I believe there is a line.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 10 March 2009 - 07:38 AM

[Omtose]

That makes interesting reading. I'd be willing to shift to any of my most likely suspect group at the moment. I think I'm being influenced by the fact that, if Korlat is innocent, he clearly isn't taking the game seriously enough, and I was under the impression this was meant to be a bit more serious than usual, seriously.

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

@ Telas - I would have been the first, that was the point Korlat was making, why didn't I vote. I responded, its not vote worthy, just needed to be pointed out.

@ Korlat - the bloodthisty thing was not because you voted, but instead you voted Tennes, then questoned(and continue to question) why I didn't vote for him. So now, in effect, your last post calls me scummy, thats why I say blood thirsty. IMO its easier to point fingers when you yourself are scum. Make sense?

One more point, why hhaven't you asked why I din't vote for Gamelon? I believe that "case" to be the stronger of the two? hmm.

Edit": added O to IMO

hello everybody.

Just catching up...when i read this post i cant help get the feeling Ano is feeling a bit flustered and under pressure.
This makes me think he could be scum...

Vote Anomandaris

...back to catch up...

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 06:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

I don't know. ... Spartacus?

anyways, we're letting Anomandaris off the hook. I don't like it..

In fact, I find him more suspicious than Tennes at this point.

Anomandaris

The funny thing is that now you are looking more and more scummy to me. Immediately voting Tennes and then jumping at my throat. Then apparently ignoring your first vote when i explain why that Tennes post isn't vote worthy. And no, I won't vote for you for that either.

Wow...not only is this OMGUS but its also fence sitting...interesting.
Why wont he vote for the guy HE thinks is scum...scared of the OMGUS label or the attention he might receive.

[Galayn Lord]

Omtose, on Mar 10 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

That makes interesting reading. I'd be willing to shift to any of my most likely suspect group at the moment. I think I'm being influenced by the fact that, if Korlat is innocent, he clearly isn't taking the game seriously enough, and I was under the impression this was meant to be a bit more serious than usual, seriously.

I'm not saying Korlat is inno. While doing the vote count I realized first hand that he changed vote target about 3-4 times so far, always on a whim.

However, I'm treating Korlat like the Jester last game if he survives some nights, I'll start looking his way.

[Omtose]

Oh, I understood your point and it makes sense, I was just explaining why, despite your post, I was maintaining my vote on Korlat for now.

[Mockra]

So, after reading all that, I've got two of observations. Firstly, D'riss is bullying his way around - saying he's done talking to people, calling them 'a few cards short of a deck' etc. Seems we have someone here who isn't interested in explanations and different angles because he has covered them all, all by himself.

I hate people who value their personal opinion so highly that all they apparently need is people saying amen to their lecture, then asking if they can suck him off with finish included so that they can get swallow some of his mojo and become a better person for it, and comdemn everyone else to hell if they have their own opinion. If you want blowjobs from 17 different people, visit a dark room or become a catholic priest.

Korlat. I think nothing is wrong at all with that 'reveal.' I firstly don't take it as a real reveal, but doing this as an RI in a game with 2 scum teams on day 1, I refuse to interprete it as shafting your own team. It is trying to attract both night kills, which is a valid strategy. As someone else said, scum can't take the risk and will have to take him out - now, if they have to, are they going to gamble that the other team will do it? Probably not. Like it or not, but as RI, you are playing with multiple reasons. Firstly, to examine angles and question people and so avoid getting railroaded, secondly to provide a vote majority, and lastly to protect the roled inno's. For now, I'm happy to accept Korlat's 'reveal' as an (un?)intended attempt/ side-effect at the last.

Everyone who jumped on it straightaway (Telas did some quality distancing there) didn't keep their cool entirely... Either too eager to bring someone down, or too afraid to be closely associated with a fake revealer.

[Mockra]

And to follow up on stuff:

vote D'riss

for bullying - and not the kind that makes people answer, but the kind that tries to create mindless bleating followers, aka sheep.

[Mockra]

Wow, seems I killed the thread.