[Korlat]

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 03:21 AM, said:

lol
exactly
after that BP satellite reveal of his, I trust no one.

well, I guess I should have foreseen how such a post could make some people vote for me (though I hardly see the logic of it as I've explained), though I still find the interpretation of that post somewhat absurd.

People find it easy I guess, to be suspicious of the aggressive players and thus use things for more than their real value. Yet, if you look at previous games, the aggressive players are generally those who produce results. I'm sorry if I offend peoples delicate sensibilities, but I'm not going to adapt my playing style because some people shy away from conflict.

Now I have to go to bed.

[Telas]

lol, well, if you'd have bothered to look, i'm not actually voting for you.
however it's a very odd statement, esp in a no-CF game, where finders are even more important than usual.

[Serc]

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 06:12 PM, said:

Serc, on Mar 9 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

Fwiw, my "No" was sort of a joke to your demand that lurkers speak up.

well, considering your particiaption track, it was a bad joke to make, imho.

All Day 1 jokes are bad.

[Telas]

Serc, on Mar 9 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 06:12 PM, said:

Serc, on Mar 9 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

Fwiw, my "No" was sort of a joke to your demand that lurkers speak up.

well, considering your particiaption track, it was a bad joke to make, imho.

All Day 1 jokes are bad.

I liked my anemia joke,

sigh
anyhow, I have to go back to work now.

[Silanah]

Right, I've just read over the thread.

I'm inclined to view Korlat's 'finder reveal' as an honest turn of phrase - it didn't occur to me that it was a finder reveal of sorts until D'riss pointed out. Doesn't seem like a move any competent player would make, be they healer, RI or scum. I'm actually more weirded out by Gamelon, who didn't stop pushing based on some joke logic a while back. Very odd.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 09:29 PM, said:

lol, well, if you'd have bothered to look, i'm not actually voting for you.
however it's a very odd statement, esp in a no-CF game, where finders are even more important than usual.

In a rediculously drunken gruff voice that sounds alot like Korlat's-

Well, why are you afraid to vote then?

And with that I am outta here! Back in 10 hours or so.

[Telas]

once again

i'm still voting Serc.

sigh

*wanders off back to work*

[Gamelon]

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 11:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Mar 9 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

according to that logic, since the majority of us opay it no heed, you've already lost,

I know and it breaks my heart to have to lynch you all. But if it must be done then so be it. I am hoping that several of you are merely being illogical pawns in this scheme to protect Korlat.

suspects

Korlat (obvious scum)

Shadow (symp trying to draw attention away from his master)

Silanah (Possible symp, more then likely an illogical pawn)

Omtose (probably a pawn)

Telas (on the right track but is instead voting for the symp)

D'riss (probably a pawn)

Tennes (confused player who hasn't yet read my logical case on Korlat)

Me (logical and attempting to keep the thread on track)

So that is half of the players. A lot of pawns which is logical knowing the people who are playing in this game.

Back and catching up, saw this, looks sympy to me, what with both "probably pawns" being in the middle of the list. I am also disappointed that you forgot me! More in a minute 4 pages left to read.

Obviously you are a illiterate moron cause I already answered that when Mockra asked why I didn't include him on the list. As for were people are. They are in location to how they posted after I accused Korlat of being god like.

[Gamelon]

Korlat, on Mar 10 2009, 01:34 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 10 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

I see pushing for a vote on someone as acting symp like considering its not their master..

Then you're reading it wrong. You see me pushing for the reason behind not voting, and then you see pushing at things about the answer I don't like. Anomandaris can get into as much of a huff as he wants, it's still an effective tactic pulling people out.

Whats an effective tactic? posting 2 questionable posts and then saying this?

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Well, thats all I found in the spam that I am sorry I missed. Anyway those 2 are on top of my list, but i won't vote right now until someone gets on to discuss.

As to your last post, yes yes, I called you bloodthirsty, you didn't like it, got it. hey heres a new lable for you to carry around "DICK BAG"

you're welcome.

It must be hard being forced to tackle allegations in mafia games. My heart goes out to you. It truly does. I'll try not to call you out on anything until I get a pm from PS saying that you're definitly scum. You know, just so that I don't question someone who might possibly turn out to be innocent. Imagine how terrible that would be. I couldn't bear the shame.

Uhhhhh

A little early in the game for a reveal. Not sure how I feel about it but I will remove my vote

Remove Vote

[Silanah]

So Gamelon, care to tell me why you were clinging to your slender thread of logic so hard early? It was kind of strange, more so than anything else I've seen thus far.

[Emurlahn]

Here. And Caught up on the thread. Wasn't complete spam which makes a nice change.

Ok some points: Gamelon its not funny its a little weird. That big list isn't working. If you've got a bit of a serious case to make, could you make it again? I read all your posts as you just pissing about and I have no idea what your doing.

Reading through the Anom/Korlat/Telas stuff.

Starting out it looked rather like Korlat and Telas were teamed up the way they were both getting into Anom and I thought they came across a little scummy and pushy.

Then came the Finder thing from Korlat and its gone weird.

When I first read it, I was skimming quite quickly and like Silanah didn't read Finder into it as such. Then Anom? pointed it out - which I find scummy myself, along with D'riss for voting for it.

If someones made a possible slip about being a Finder, why would you point that out and vote for it?? Its incredibly scummy so WTF are you playing at? I mean it was one line in a paragraph, it hardly read as a fake reveal.

If I see a potential Finder slip I shut my mouth about it. Not point it out saying possible Finder and then get a vote going on it.

Still heaps of time at our disposal so I'll see how it goes.

I believe I was the second to last to check in, whose missing?

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 03:29 AM, said:

Then came the Finder thing from Korlat and its gone weird.

When I first read it, I was skimming quite quickly and like Silanah didn't read Finder into it as such. Then Anom? pointed it out - which I find scummy myself, along with D'riss for voting for it.

If someones made a possible slip about being a Finder, why would you point that out and vote for it?? Its incredibly scummy so WTF are you playing at? I mean it was one line in a paragraph, it hardly read as a fake reveal.

If I see a potential Finder slip I shut my mouth about it. Not point it out saying possible Finder and then get a vote going on it.

Still heaps of time at our disposal so I'll see how it goes.

I believe I was the second to last to check in, whose missing?

I believe it was D'riss who pointed out Korlat's 'slip'. As you say, definitely doesn't seem like the sort of thing you should drop a vote on quite so quickly. I hadn't thought about it in that context before, but now that you bring it up, D'riss reaction to spotting that was not that you'd expect from an inno. The leap to it necessarily being a fake reveal is rather unjustified as far as I can see - if you're going to interpret it as a genuine clue, I don't see anything there that makes me think "Yep, that's fake."

So I think I'll

Remove Vote

Vote D'riss

[D'riss]

Emurlahn, on Mar 9 2009, 11:29 PM, said:

Here. And Caught up on the thread. Wasn't complete spam which makes a nice change.

Ok some points: Gamelon its not funny its a little weird. That big list isn't working. If you've got a bit of a serious case to make, could you make it again? I read all your posts as you just pissing about and I have no idea what your doing.

Reading through the Anom/Korlat/Telas stuff.

Starting out it looked rather like Korlat and Telas were teamed up the way they were both getting into Anom and I thought they came across a little scummy and pushy.

Then came the Finder thing from Korlat and its gone weird.

When I first read it, I was skimming quite quickly and like Silanah didn't read Finder into it as such. Then Anom? pointed it out - which I find scummy myself, along with D'riss for voting for it.

If someones made a possible slip about being a Finder, why would you point that out and vote for it?? Its incredibly scummy so WTF are you playing at? I mean it was one line in a paragraph, it hardly read as a fake reveal.

If I see a potential Finder slip I shut my mouth about it. Not point it out saying possible Finder and then get a vote going on it.

Still heaps of time at our disposal so I'll see how it goes.

I believe I was the second to last to check in, whose missing?

If you were not smart enough to to see that, and figure out yourself the angles that could be played by scum you should probly give up mafia and take up checkers, no I take that back too advanced. Maybe "Tic Tac Toe"

[D'riss]

Silanah, on Mar 9 2009, 11:46 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 03:29 AM, said:

Then came the Finder thing from Korlat and its gone weird.

When I first read it, I was skimming quite quickly and like Silanah didn't read Finder into it as such. Then Anom? pointed it out - which I find scummy myself, along with D'riss for voting for it.

If someones made a possible slip about being a Finder, why would you point that out and vote for it?? Its incredibly scummy so WTF are you playing at? I mean it was one line in a paragraph, it hardly read as a fake reveal.

If I see a potential Finder slip I shut my mouth about it. Not point it out saying possible Finder and then get a vote going on it.

Still heaps of time at our disposal so I'll see how it goes.

I believe I was the second to last to check in, whose missing?

I believe it was D'riss who pointed out Korlat's 'slip'. As you say, definitely doesn't seem like the sort of thing you should drop a vote on quite so quickly. I hadn't thought about it in that context before, but now that you bring it up, D'riss reaction to spotting that was not that you'd expect from an inno. The leap to it necessarily being a fake reveal is rather unjustified as far as I can see - if you're going to interpret it as a genuine clue, I don't see anything there that makes me think "Yep, that's fake."

So I think I'll

Remove Vote

Vote D'riss

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on Mar 10 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

So Gamelon, care to tell me why you were clinging to your slender thread of logic so hard early? It was kind of strange, more so than anything else I've seen thus far.

I don't think that trying to get some action moving by voting for someone trying to pressure other people into voting is "kind of strange". I personally find it some what suspicious that you find it strange. In no scenario can I see people following me on to any kind of a lynch train due to a first page vote and a little bit of ridicules pressure. Korlat was able to see what I was doing and he felt no real pressure from me. I am still undecided about how I feel about his finder reveal and his subsequent explanation.

I am going to bed so if you have any more strange questions they will have to wait till morning.

[Silanah]

D'riss, on Mar 10 2009, 03:53 AM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

The same is true of any finder who happens to reveal. There's no way we could verify their claims, but that doesn't mean that we should automatically dismiss all reveals as fake. In any case, from my point of view it is essentially you revealing Korlat as a possible finder. Neither myself nor Emurlahn caught that as a slip, and I'm sure there are many others who wouldn't have thought anything of it if you hadn't pointed it out. But if you notice something like that, you hold it close to your chest surely? As far as I can see, only the killers gain if you shine a spotlight on someone who might be a finder.



EDIT: Spelling

This post has been edited by Silanah: 10 March 2009 - 04:38 AM

[Silanah]

Gamelon, on Mar 10 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

Silanah, on Mar 10 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

So Gamelon, care to tell me why you were clinging to your slender thread of logic so hard early? It was kind of strange, more so than anything else I've seen thus far.

I don't think that trying to get some action moving by voting for someone trying to pressure other people into voting is "kind of strange". I personally find it some what suspicious that you find it strange. In no scenario can I see people following me on to any kind of a lynch train due to a first page vote and a little bit of ridicules pressure. Korlat was able to see what I was doing and he felt no real pressure from me. I am still undecided about how I feel about his finder reveal and his subsequent explanation.

I am going to bed so if you have any more strange questions they will have to wait till morning.

It was more that you carried the pressure on past the point where it had any credibility at all based on the logic you were using. You made it seem like you were taking it seriously, which struck me as very odd. Once you start pretending to be serious, as you did, your opponent can just say "Your logic is shit." and be done with it, so it accomplishes nothing. And if it accomplishes nothing, then why do it? It obviously confused other players as well, because there were others who had a similar reaction to my own on thread. All in all, there's a perfectly good reason to be asking you that question, so cut the turnabout bullcrap you're trying to pull on me there.

[Emurlahn]

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

[D'riss]

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 12:26 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

your not too bright are you?

Well I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but if he's too stupid to drink it?
A fake reveal is just what a scum wants with no CF. Because there is always enough stupid people to follow his lead. "That's right lynch this one" "Oh don't worry he's scum, you will see at the end of the game. Trust Me"

Edit: He is more than likely the symp.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 10 March 2009 - 04:52 AM

[Silanah]

D'riss, on Mar 10 2009, 04:45 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 10 2009, 12:26 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 9 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

You don't get do you? Even if he is real he is useless. He can't be taken seriously there is no CF!

Your shitting me? No CF! Whatever will we do???
Oh thats right, we look for scum. Like saying.. voting on a possible Finder slip?

Seriously I have no idea what your talking about. Are you saying if someone revealed Finder we'd ignore them? I think you'd find if someone revealed Finder we would lynch the person they did the Find on. Thats standard Mafia play and its good sense.


You do realise there are two seperate teams of scum right who don't know each other? Revealing as Finder is a death sentence for anyone.

your not too bright are you?

Well I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but if he's too stupid to drink it?
A fake reveal is just what a scum wants with no CF. Because there is always enough stupid people to follow his lead. "That's right lynch this one" "Oh don't worry he's scum, you will see at the end of the game. Trust Me"

Edit: He is more than likely the symp.

This was not blatant enough for it to be a fake reveal until you made it so. And even after that, none of the things you have talked about here have happened. If Korlat was trying to pull something like you are suggesting, he would not be denying that he was a finder. He has made no claims of the type you speak of. So why leap to the conclusion that it must be a fake reveal and Korlat must be scum? Yes, not having a CF means that you can't trust reveals quite so much. But that doesn't mean you should blindly distrust them all. I'm not even of the opinion that this was intended to be a reveal of any kind, but even if I were I would find the way you've pushed this suspicious.

Also, proverb fail.