[Mockra]

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Well, I just thought that out, and if Mockra and Driss are lying by lynching Tennes today, we lose, someone remove their vote for a minute while I work this out, please.

Let's see - everyone else has been done a find on (Kaschan, Telas) or claimed finder (Anomandaris, GL, Serc) or is healer (D'riss and me).
If Tennes speaks the truth, one of you lies or both D'riss and I lie, but if we lie, why the reveal?

What do you propose? Lynch one of us?

You sir, are scum and causing a carefully staged panic.

[Tennes]

whew. thanks, mockra.
i think at this point it's best to eliminate telas, as afaik he's the only one who hasn't revealed anything.

[Serc]

Hmm.

Remove Vote

I'm not sure if I like that. But we do need D'riss & Mockra to prove they can communicate off-thread.

EDIT: But after, that, Tennes is gone. Ano says he's got an Inno Find on Telas, so we go with Tennes.

This post has been edited by Serc: 13 March 2009 - 07:02 PM

[Mockra]

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 10:00 PM, said:

Hmm.

Remove Vote

I'm not sure if I like that. But we do need D'riss & Mockra to prove they can communicate off-thread.

we already did.

[Mockra]

D'riss, on Mar 13 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

Found the one alt146 was looking for.

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The fruit vendor stared over the river, focusing on the line he had cast into its water. Two old boots (both left side) and a variety of squid he had never seen before, spouting angry red ink when caught. It was better than seeing a stranger getting shot in front of your stall. Those rebels were overdoing it, he thought. What's wrong with a civil protest? Much better for business.

He had managed to salvage what was left of his crate. What was left of his marriage was an entirely different matter, but right now, his heart couldn't take another row with the wife. And so, here he was. Staring at the water. On the other side of the river, a mob had gathered. The vendor rather hoped they wouldn't chase the fish away.

A reed moved at an alarming pace towards him. Not very fast, mind you, but plants shouldn't move anyway, apart from in the wind, of course. The reed suddenly disappeared, only to be replaced by the head of a guy, his features obscured by a torn stocking. The lillies in its flower pattern were such an odd detail, the vendor mused.

"The wheel of fortune turns round incessantly, and who can say to himself, "I shall today be uppermost." the weirdo whispered. He continued to rise, showing he was wearing pyjama's, which were probably hospital green a decade ago.

"Eh... what?"

"It's an eastern saying, you dolt!" the stranger screamed. "Can't you see, I'm a ninja!"

"A what?"

"I'm a freaking martial artist and bad ass assassin who can kill people during the day if I get the catch phrase right! Now, what was it... something with 'how my father wasn't worth me', I think."

Behind the stranger, the vendor saw people crossing the river on a hastily commandeered fisher boat. Their target was the lunatic in front of him.

"so why are you running from that crowd?" he asked

"because people say I love spam, which is a ridiculous suggestion, as all the best ninja's only eat tofu!"

In the prow, a shadowy figure raised a harpoon, then threw it. Amazingly, the ninja caught the motion out of the corner of his eye, and turned, then jumped up, shouting: "I've been drinking pepsi for years to keep myself in top condition, even when I was imprisoned in Mohinder, so you really need to do better than this, a harpoon to the back is sooooo stereotypical, a real killer would come up with something better." Upon hitting the water, he attempted a somersault and landed face first in the dirt instead. He never rose, as instead, a white-grey squid slithered over his face. The white-grey was a rather nasty poisoned variety, too, but it did restore peace and quiet.

The vendor examined the pyjama's. Not pyjama's after all, it was a straightjacket. Just another escaped lunatic from the asylum boats. Maybe those stone prisons with iron bars in front of tiny windows weren't such a bad innovation after all, the vendor mused.

Liosan (Grief) is dead.
He was Innocent.

Mockra, on Mar 13 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

It's 17.15 on my clock. Time to prove the lovers stuff.

Mafia hall of fame post #26:

= Proof. We can continue this for a while, if you like - only D'riss is working.

[Anomandaris]

Mockra, on Mar 13 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Well, I just thought that out, and if Mockra and Driss are lying by lynching Tennes today, we lose, someone remove their vote for a minute while I work this out, please.

Let's see - everyone else has been done a find on (Kaschan, Telas) or claimed finder (Anomandaris, GL, Serc) or is healer (D'riss and me).
If Tennes speaks the truth, one of you lies or both D'riss and I lie, but if we lie, why the reveal?

What do you propose? Lynch one of us?

You sir, are scum and causing a carefully staged panic.

Think it through, if you are paired killers, with one symp, (who comes up inno, either Kaschan or Telas) we lose. Even if you can comunicate off thread it tells us nothing as you are paired killers, I am just making sure we are making the right move. If we trust you, we are naive and deserve to lose.

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Think it through, if you are paired killers, with one symp, (who comes up inno, either Kaschan or Telas) we lose. Even if you can comunicate off thread it tells us nothing as you are paired killers, I am just making sure we are making the right move. If we trust you, we are naive and deserve to lose.

You know ... there's nothing we can do to prove anything in-thread.

[Serc]

Hell, as much as I hate to say it, we may have to vote Night. The Kill can only take out one person.

If only Tennes is the Killer, we'll still have a load of Inno votes and Finds to bring him down.

If Mockra/D'riss are paired Killlers, we'll know in the morning from Finds. If they are paired Killers and have a living Symp, we can't possibly lynch today for fear of taking out an Inno, which after an NK would lose the game at morning.

It actually looks like we can't afford to lynch, based on WCS. It's a bizarre endgame where it'll actually benefit Innos, instead of scum, to go ahead to Night. Because if Mockra and D'riss are being honest, it'll cost us nothing, except a meaningless NK that we can afford to soak up. If they're lying, we can't possibly risk lynching.

[Anomandaris]

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Think it through, if you are paired killers, with one symp, (who comes up inno, either Kaschan or Telas) we lose. Even if you can comunicate off thread it tells us nothing as you are paired killers, I am just making sure we are making the right move. If we trust you, we are naive and deserve to lose.

You know ... there's nothing we can do to prove anything in-thread.

Then what do you suggest?

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Then what do you suggest?

As bizarre as it sounds ... going to Night.

But I'd like GL to chime in on that - I'm waiting to hear back from him. I still have no idea what Time Zone he's in - I keep forgetting to ask.

[Anomandaris]

Ok, we goto night, then I do a find on Kaschan to see if you are telling the truth, then we lynch tennes, if you are and prove mockra and driss are innos? is that right?

[Mockra]

Oki, a short and quick case.

1) D'riss does some quick counting and thinks we may reach 5 inno vs 3 scum if both find targets still live, and we can then reveal.
2) I approach GL and ask him if both targets he did a find on, still live - knowing that we will then reveal
3) GL at that time lies
4) we reveal both, and no finds have been done on us
5) GL says wow and can't believe his good fortune - he doubts, of course.
6) we say we can prove that we can talk to one another, but have no codes, but since I'm a replacement due to Shadow's modkill, I can point you all to the exact spot - and I do.

At that time, you haven't investigated Anomandaris, Telas, Tennes, D'riss and me.
So, the scum is there, somewhere in those 5.
If we were paired killers, would we reveal?
If there was another healer, wouldn't he counter?

Anomandaris counterreveals. He accepts the healer reveal and first rages against GL that he is a symp, and how he would have wanted to wait with his own reveal for 2 days.

Point 1 against Ano: 8 people alive now. In 2 days, 2 lynches + 2 nks unless someone targeted GL, that's four. If GL was a symp, then it would be game over one way or another - either cause his master was dead, or because scum tied town 2 for 2. This reeks of haste, not of strategy.

He knows at that point that we can't really shoot him down, we haven't seen the facts from GL yet so we're indecisive. If you examine his posts closely, you will see that unlike GL, he accepts the healer reveal ebntirely. Does not so much as waste a word on it.

Point 2 against Ano: Look what he's doing now... you guys have examined the possibility that on the current results, he cannot be disqualified as a fake reveal straight away, nor do his results conflict with yours for now. So, you back him up and want to keep him around. And now that hye has the benefit of the doubt, he attacks the healers - against whom he hadn't uttered a single word so far.

Point 2b: if Driss and I were killers, why would we reveal, and not have lynched Telas or if he is by chance our symp, bring up Tennes (this was suggested by GL earlier today before the reveals, for fuck's sake), nk and then win? Our play makes no sense for killers, but a lot of sense for healers who are convinced they can win if everything is out in the open.

Point 3: through a combination of your own finds, Ano's own finds and our reveal, only Tennes is left open as an unknown and therefore a good lynch - if all reveals are in good faith.
So, we do the logical thing.

Note that D'riss and I, through not knowing your finds, had no influence on this at all before, during and after our reveal - it is the combination of the finds of the for me confirmed finder-pair and Ano.

And now, Tennes reveals RI. Sure, claiming another inno role would be overdoing it, wouldn't it? He did not even counterclaim healer, which could have been believeable.

But Ano suddenly is in a big huff, playing the blame card at D'riss and me, stirring up trouble and telling we win if we are the liars.
Once again, does our play make sense if we are killers? Once again, how could we know stuff would turn up like it did, and on who finds were done? Once again, why would we have revealed?
More, what is the alternative from lynching Tennes? D'riss, or me?

As you can see, the killer would just LOVE that - no more healers to bother him. Especially when there is then still doubt whether Tennes or Telas or Ano himself is the killer, so you guys (= Serc + GL would be back to the start).

As such, I think Ano has been fake revealing.

[Mockra]

And that does not even incorporate all the paired symp nonsense Anomandaris spouted.

[Mockra]

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Then what do you suggest?

As bizarre as it sounds ... going to Night.

But I'd like GL to chime in on that - I'm waiting to hear back from him. I still have no idea what Time Zone he's in - I keep forgetting to ask.

Seems around at GMT times - either an SA or Euro.

[Mockra]

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 10:03 PM, said:

Mockra, on Mar 13 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Well, I just thought that out, and if Mockra and Driss are lying by lynching Tennes today, we lose, someone remove their vote for a minute while I work this out, please.

Let's see - everyone else has been done a find on (Kaschan, Telas) or claimed finder (Anomandaris, GL, Serc) or is healer (D'riss and me).
If Tennes speaks the truth, one of you lies or both D'riss and I lie, but if we lie, why the reveal?

What do you propose? Lynch one of us?

You sir, are scum and causing a carefully staged panic.

Think it through, if you are paired killers, with one symp, (who comes up inno, either Kaschan or Telas) we lose. Even if you can comunicate off thread it tells us nothing as you are paired killers, I am just making sure we are making the right move. If we trust you, we are naive and deserve to lose.

as I say in my case, you were more than happy to rely on our doubt to not be shot down immediately - only after Serc said that he believed there could be a finder pair and a solo finder did you turn on us, and only once we determined that based on the COMBINED result of finds, we should lynch Tennes.

[Mockra]

Any of the 3 of you going to comment on the case/ abbreviated version of today's happenings?

[Tennes]

hmm then if we agree with your case, mockra, gl can find ano tonight and receive a heal. if ano is the killer, he can't stop it (heals resolve before kills afaik). we will learn his alignment as a result; if he dies, you and d'riss are in fact the actual killers. meanwhile, if ano is found innocent, the suspicion would immediately shift to the two of you.

[Serc]

Mockra, on Mar 13 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Then what do you suggest?

As bizarre as it sounds ... going to Night.

But I'd like GL to chime in on that - I'm waiting to hear back from him. I still have no idea what Time Zone he's in - I keep forgetting to ask.

Seems around at GMT times - either an SA or Euro.

Well, I'm not going to out his alt. I believe he's about twelve hours different from me, which is Obdi's way of fucking with us.

[Mockra]

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

Mockra, on Mar 13 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

Serc, on Mar 13 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 13 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Then what do you suggest?

As bizarre as it sounds ... going to Night.

But I'd like GL to chime in on that - I'm waiting to hear back from him. I still have no idea what Time Zone he's in - I keep forgetting to ask.

Seems around at GMT times - either an SA or Euro.

Well, I'm not going to out his alt. I believe he's about twelve hours different from me, which is Obdi's way of fucking with us.

It's based on the fact that he usually is around during my work times.

[D'riss]

I'm back. I some what believed Anno up until serc confirmed finder. TDMI=2 I do not believe for a second there is a third un-paired finder. Anno is playing us. Fuck that I had a gut on him from day one. Scum