[Anomandaris]

And now back to the previous point

Vote Korlat

Same reasons as before. Back in a little while.

[Galayn Lord]

It wasn't Telas, though, so

vote Telas

I'll come back to my first love, the one I would have gone after without my find.

I'm very open to discussion, though.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 12 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

It wasn't Telas, though, so

vote Telas

I'll come back to my first love, the one I would have gone after without my find.

I'm very open to discussion, though.

Before I go, I just want to point out that I don't think a killer would be so obvious as to not lynch someone due to a coin flip, and so I will not be voting Telas as Hopefully we only have one more killer or maybe one more pair of killers. And now, I have to go work.

[D'riss]

Well then, A lot of content in a short span. Nice

I am going to be in and out most of the day and will miss most of what goes on. Emu said he is going to hammer Galain in less than an hour, so I will wait and see if he doesn't puss out with a coin flip. If a vote has not been made by the time I get back I will make it.

I hate to agree with Korlat, but that case by Anno was so bad it almost looks scummy.

GL if you make one more post where you just say "Interesting HMMMMMMMM" I will vote for you out of spite
Ask Telas I'll do it.

anyway not sure how soon I will be back(Helping a friend drywall today)


Edit: a shit load just happened as I was writing this...GGGRRRRR

This post has been edited by D'riss: 12 March 2009 - 01:43 PM

[D'riss]

...and nothing after my edit.

Will be back later.

[Galayn Lord]

D'riss, on Mar 12 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Well then, A lot of content in a short span. Nice

I am going to be in and out most of the day and will miss most of what goes on. Emu said he is going to hammer Galain in less than an hour, so I will wait and see if he doesn't puss out with a coin flip. If a vote has not been made by the time I get back I will make it.

I hate to agree with Korlat, but that case by Anno was so bad it almost looks scummy.

GL if you make one more post where you just say "Interesting HMMMMMMMM" I will vote for you out of spite
Ask Telas I'll do it.

anyway not sure how soon I will be back(Helping a friend drywall today)


Edit: a shit load just happened as I was writing this...GGGRRRRR

Half an hour to post 6 sentences. Someone has given a LOT of thought to this


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Before I go, I just want to point out that I don't think a killer would be so obvious as to not lynch someone due to a coin flip, and so I will not be voting Telas as Hopefully we only have one more killer or maybe one more pair of killers. And now, I have to go work.

And I want to re-point out these two posts:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Shit sorry that would have been funnier in the Kolat manner. Let me try that again.

Vote Korlat

That was a scummy thing to do Galain, saying there must be a jester? Why didn't you vote for him, if he is so questionable Telas? You both must be scum!


See funnier.

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

I agree that Sil should have been hammered, and telas may very wel have been symping him. Also I agree that Fener may have been scum on the other team, and tried to protect a fellow scum member. His actions of trying to divert the attention away from Sil and onto Driss were pretty obvious. Having said that I think this is the right way to proceed.

Vote Silanah

To finish what we started yesterday.

As to why I think Telas might be a killer and you him and Galain's symp.

Not certain, but it got ignored the first time I brought them up.

[Galayn Lord]

Well, I'm off myself for a few hours.

[Telas]

good morning all

caught up, seems we got a killer, sweet

still, GL, I don't get you. no, really

you're either a VERY good actor as scum, or you are being dense.

so, just to make sure you get this. i'll say it one word at a time.


PLEASE

QUOTE

THE

POST

WHERE

I

SUGGEST

THAT

THERE

ARE

ONLY

2

KILLERS

IN

TOTAL

IN

ORDER

TO

CI

MYSELF.

Because if you'd have bothered to actually LOOK, you'd see that it was Kaschan saying that. and me disagreeing.
honestly, I want to believe that you're a finder and looking at me is just you being too caught up in your self righteousness.
But you've been misquoting me since day 2. If people are to go back and re-read the last hour of Day 1, and then look at your case on me on Day 2, they'd see that you carefully avoided quoting any post of mine that may have had a single shred of content--of course, why would you? After all, you seem to be happy to present me as a scum so moronic, so that his very prolonged existance is a moral offence to all who live.

and don't try to shift the weight behind pushing my own lynch on Galain--you yourself were the one who started it, so i'm far less inclined to trust you than I would have been otherwise.

This post has been edited by Telas: 12 March 2009 - 03:02 PM

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 12 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

Not certain, but it got ignored the first time I brought them up.

Ok, back for a minute, I want to squash this, as it may affect how people percieve my case on Korlat, and allow him to continue to lay low. I can see based on those posts how you might see me symping Telas, and add to that me stating that I won't be voting for him today, only makes matters worse. But I honestly don't think Telas is more than a symp, at best. No killer in their right mind(yes this is slightly WIFOM) would post a coin flip and allow someone on day one to live. An inno, thinking Sil was inno, might. A symp if Sil was scum probably would. A fake symp wanting to keep confusion at its max, knowing he gives his master an extra night would. But I don't see a killer drawing that kind of attention on to himself, let alone continuing to post in the manner Telas has been. Again I want to emphasize the play of Korlat(I know this is getting old), he posted like a madman day 1 got some heat and fled, only to come back with a massively BS case against me, his primary attacker, Sil, who had the most votes, and Kas, who pointed out his agression as being symp-like. Then he has disappeared, until my long ass case (D'riss, I threw that together rather quickly, I don't see how it looks scummy, you asked for a case, and I put one up), where he put up a weak ass defense and disappeared again. Its scummy, no other way to explain it. I admit, I may have tunnel vision, and haven't looked at anyone other than Korlat, but every time I bring it up, I get, "well I would be willing to vote him, he is scummy" but no one has. Something else always comes up, first Sil, then Telas, then Driss, then your find, and nothing has ever been resolved there, its really frustrating. Anyway, thats enough of that, back to work.

[Galayn Lord]

Telas, on Mar 12 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Because if you'd have bothered to actually LOOK, you'd see that it was Kaschan saying that. and me disagreeing.
honestly, I want to believe that you're a finder and looking at me is just you being too caught up in your self righteousness.

oopsie

Quote

But you've been misquoting me since day 2. If people are to go back and re-read the last hour of Day 1, and then look at your case on me on Day 2, they'd see that you carefully avoided quoting any post of mine that may have had a single shred of content--of course, why would you? After all, you seem to be happy to present me as a scum so moronic, so that his very prolonged existance is a moral offence to all who live.

The multi-quote thing where I showed lack of content was ALL the posts I could find, I skipped none. I stopped at one point because I wasn't sure about the quote limit per post. But I put them all.

Day 2 I didn't make a lack-of-content case, I made a case where you first say you're convinced one of Silanah-Korlat-D'riss is scum. Then when someone suggests a D'riss lynch, you butt in saying there's not enough people to achieve that lynch. Then you put a vote on someone that has even LESS votes, saying you'll switch if needed. Then when it's needed you flip your coin.

The whole sequence is scummy as hell, and of course I'll choose my posts for that. If you think I skipped some post where your "inno mental train of thought" becomes clear, then quote them.

Quote

and don't try to shift the weight behind pushing my own lynch on Galain--you yourself were the one who started it, so i'm far less inclined to trust you than I would have been otherwise.

Uh?

[Galayn Lord]

@Anomandaris. I don't find you that suspicious in general.

Howeer, your post and Korlat's posts are the only thing I've seen in the whole thread where someone was having any connection with Galain.

I find it hard to believe that if there is a symp he would not try to make himself noticed to his master, specially in the no-CF where only the finders can go back and look for these connections with confidence.

But anyways, maybe I'm seeing things.

[Telas]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

Telas even has the most posts in the game so far

Re-reading the last hours, I see this:

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 04:35 AM, said:

Fener, on Mar 10 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

OK fine, Silanah and D'riss should be talking their asses off at the moment, persuading people the other lynch is the better one. After thinking hard about it, I am not too sure about the lynch on Silanah. If you think about it this way:
1 Korlat is quite aggressive and loud, attracts attention -> he probably isn't scum, seems to me at least inno trying to get reactions
2 Silanah notices this, discards the idea that Korlat is actually an evil genius and scum acting this way to befuddle us, PIs Korlat.
3 Korlat, in a fit of pique, throws out a sarcastic comment which somehow gets interpreted by people completely lacking in any notion of sarcasm it seems that he is revealing finder.
4 Silanah sees silliness going on, which is slowly turning into a train on someone he thinks is inno, so he tries to disabuse the misguided people of their notions.

This all seems quite logical to me. The one thing that people say is that he defended too hard. But consider this, if you are pretty sure that someone is inno, would you not also fight for them, even if it meant putting yourself out there? I would, because Mafia is a team game, and the more of us who are still alive to lynch the killers, the better chance we have of winning.

fuck, is there enough of us to pull off a D'riss lynch?

What is that comment about? Does it means he's willing, but not sure, or that there's not even a point trying? And then he votes:

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 04:51 AM, said:

fuck it
vote Korlat

i'm gonna be around till deadline (another 40 mins), so i'll switch to hammer if it's really necessary

but this what my gut's been telling me all day
granted, my gut feelings are generally way off, but it's still day 1..

Really? Someone wants to lynch D'riss and you lecture about numbers, then you add a vote on Korlat, who is even further away?


Oh, and look at your cute "I'll switch to hammer if it's really necessary"

ok, this is your post where you accuse me of being inconsistent, and yes, I will not lie that i wasn't--I was not sure whether Silanah was a good lynch.

i'm gonna post in a few more quptes of mine into this, the ones from that same time that you have omitted.

It starts on page 18, when I came back to the game thinking there's one hour left and sil is at L-2
so I vote for Silanah, putting him at L-1, since at this point i'm of the opinion that 1 of the 3 is indeed scum
I cross-post with Silanah's defence/case on D'riss.
I remove my vote, so that he's not hammered untill I can read it through and make up my mind

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 08:49 PM, said:

cross-post with wall of text

remove vote

while I read it

Serc pipes up to say he's also starting to question Sil's guilt.

so I say:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

@ Serc: of course, you know, we DID have a modkill.. so not lynching won't be such a horrible thing.

note: I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch
just pointing out that it's not as tragic as usual if we don't

EDIT: especially considerng that sans CF we lose our biggest advantage out of a lynch

which is what I was referring Mockra to earlier, btw.

then me and Silanah talk for a bit, since we're the only ones really on htread, he tells me why he suspects D'riss, and asks me whether or not I'll be voting for him becasue I think he's scum or whenther I just think we need a lynch.

Fener and Emu are on at this time, both are D'riss -inclined. we actually see fener getting convinced by Silanah to vote D'riss.
at which point I express my frustration at the fact that even though i'm unsure Sil's a good choice, there aren't enough votes to get D'riss.

Which causes HIM to vote Silanah in indignation at our "backstabbing", although I wasn't really convinced i wanted to vote him either.
so at this point i'm unsure between who is scum, and the only option seems to be Silanah who i'm having more and more doubts about.
I vote Korlat out of the three, though it's symbolic, since the chances of votes switching to hm are small.
We continue talking and as Fener and Silanah keep accusing D'riss i'm getting more and more unsure about silanah.
so when I tink the time's up (we don't know about the extra half hour, I ask people should I hammer him, and no one says "yes" or "no".
now what none of you know is that at this point I was up and in front of a computer screen for most of the day, having had 5 hours of sleep the night before, and another pile of work before I could get to bed. I'm unsure, and I think the clock's ticking down. So, yes, I flip a coin.
one thing you shopld consider is why the fuck would any scum announce that on threadm when i could have just dissapeared and came back the next day claiming a connection trouble or some other urgent RL issue. I know this will sound like WIFOM, but it's also either a ridiculopusly moronic, or a ridiculously gutsy mocve for scum to make, and I honestly don't think i'd be able to pull it off even if I were scum.

now, once again, can I point out that at this point Kas, D'riss and Fener were all on, but none of them said anything, except for D'riss, who made it sound like a joke.

so yeah, here you have the story of the end of the day from my perspective. it's not a defence, but more of a clarification of the issue, so that it's not looked at from just a single angle.

That being said, the fact that GL admitted his mistake makes him slightly more trustworthy in my eyes.

so, going back to what was happening earlier

vote Korlat

[Serc]

All the good stuff happens while I'm asleep ...

No real opinion on who feels guilty, yet - I'm still not convinced on Telas and Korlat's possible guilt. It sort of revolves around Silanah, who was at most a Symp, and I feel most likely Inno. But if Silanah was half a Killer pair, it's possible their death wouldn't affect having two NKs the Night after. Which brings us back to Korlat and Telas.

And as for only one NK last Night ... I hope that was because we nailed an entire Killer in Galain (second half of a pair, or a whole solo), and not because someone held back.

I'm going to need coffee, a shower, and some drugs (the over-the-counter anti-sickness kind) to get my head fully functioning, before I cast a vote.

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 12 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

Not certain, but it got ignored the first time I brought them up.

Ok, back for a minute, I want to squash this, as it may affect how people percieve my case on Korlat, and allow him to continue to lay low. I can see based on those posts how you might see me symping Telas, and add to that me stating that I won't be voting for him today, only makes matters worse. But I honestly don't think Telas is more than a symp, at best. No killer in their right mind(yes this is slightly WIFOM) would post a coin flip and allow someone on day one to live. An inno, thinking Sil was inno, might. A symp if Sil was scum probably would. A fake symp wanting to keep confusion at its max, knowing he gives his master an extra night would. But I don't see a killer drawing that kind of attention on to himself, let alone continuing to post in the manner Telas has been. Again I want to emphasize the play of Korlat(I know this is getting old), he posted like a madman day 1 got some heat and fled, only to come back with a massively BS case against me, his primary attacker, Sil, who had the most votes, and Kas, who pointed out his agression as being symp-like. Then he has disappeared, until my long ass case (D'riss, I threw that together rather quickly, I don't see how it looks scummy, you asked for a case, and I put one up), where he put up a weak ass defense and disappeared again. Its scummy, no other way to explain it. I admit, I may have tunnel vision, and haven't looked at anyone other than Korlat, but every time I bring it up, I get, "well I would be willing to vote him, he is scummy" but no one has. Something else always comes up, first Sil, then Telas, then Driss, then your find, and nothing has ever been resolved there, its really frustrating. Anyway, thats enough of that, back to work.

For the first emphasis: How is it massively bullshit? Please, instead of just stating something try to show how it is so. I explained to people why I found you scummy, so you know.. what's this bullshit part? You keep repeating sil having most votes as if I jumped on him because he was a target. How many votes did he have at the time, hm? You seem to ignore that question over and over again. For that matter, I explained why I aimed for Silanah too and what it produced in my answer to your case. You've ignored all of those answers because there's little for you to respond to. Your case is weak. It's more than weak. It's a joke. My defense is naturally somewhat weak in that there's nothing to defend against.

I also like how you try to make it so that I lurk and just jump in to be nice. I sat here for two hours this morning. I spent about the same amount of time yesterday morning. Now, the first day I was online a lot, but trying to pretend that I'm sneaking away all over the place is more than a little ridiculous.

And what the fuck. You say your case on me is weak but you made it anyway because D'riss asked you too, and you vote for me? How the hell is that the actions of an innocent?

I've said time and time again why Kas is to me a clear symp. I've stated on numerous occasions why I think you're scum and how I came to that conclusion. In return you've made a case you yourself have accepted is weak. A case you only put up because D'riss asked you too. All of this and you vote for me expecting other people to follow?

[Anomandaris]

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

All of this and you vote for me expecting other people to follow?

Let me speak slowly dickbag. You ooze scum, you drip scum from your every action. I suck at making cases. I threw up a case on the things I saw as random acts of scum, I felt its much better to at least point out WHAT I saw as scummy, rather than say, my gut says you are scum. I voted for you to show that I thik you are scum. And you want to know the vote count when you threw up that post about me, sil and Kas? 4 votes Korlat, 4 votes Silanah. Thats right, and then the pressure went to Sil, you vanished and stayed gone, its hard to make a case on 3 days of action when I only have day one to get info from you. Makes my case look alot like a weak ass day 1 case. Good tactic that.

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

All of this and you vote for me expecting other people to follow?

Let me speak slowly dickbag. You ooze scum, you drip scum from your every action. I suck at making cases. I threw up a case on the things I saw as random acts of scum, I felt its much better to at least point out WHAT I saw as scummy, rather than say, my gut says you are scum. I voted for you to show that I thik you are scum. And you want to know the vote count when you threw up that post about me, sil and Kas? 4 votes Korlat, 4 votes Silanah. Thats right, and then the pressure went to Sil, you vanished and stayed gone, its hard to make a case on 3 days of action when I only have day one to get info from you. Makes my case look alot like a weak ass day 1 case. Good tactic that.

I ooze of scum do I? Pardon me for not being particularly impressed. And if the content of your case is what made you think I'm a certain scum then you must be either somewhat slow or not entirely honest in your intentions.

[Anomandaris]

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

I ooze of scum do I? Pardon me for not being particularly impressed. And if the content of your case is what made you think I'm a certain scum then you must be either somewhat slow or not entirely honest in your intentions.

I anm a bit slow at times, but you're personality traits are the ones that have changed from day 1. You started out very agressive, got a little heat, then left, came back on and was still aggressive, then suddenly, you haven't made a case, you havent asked any questions, you havent pushed anyone, you havent done anything but add your vote. Slow i may be, but you sir are caught.

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

I ooze of scum do I? Pardon me for not being particularly impressed. And if the content of your case is what made you think I'm a certain scum then you must be either somewhat slow or not entirely honest in your intentions.

I anm a bit slow at times, but you're personality traits are the ones that have changed from day 1. You started out very agressive, got a little heat, then left, came back on and was still aggressive, then suddenly, you haven't made a case, you havent asked any questions, you havent pushed anyone, you havent done anything but add your vote. Slow i may be, but you sir are caught.

Heh, yeah because I haven't been here. Such an odd thing, aint it. I'll try to keep my blackberry with me at all times to avoid this travesty in the future. Come on Anomandaris, try to find some kind of argument that actually has an ounce of value, this is getting a little embarassing.

[Anomandaris]

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 12 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

I ooze of scum do I? Pardon me for not being particularly impressed. And if the content of your case is what made you think I'm a certain scum then you must be either somewhat slow or not entirely honest in your intentions.

I anm a bit slow at times, but you're personality traits are the ones that have changed from day 1. You started out very agressive, got a little heat, then left, came back on and was still aggressive, then suddenly, you haven't made a case, you havent asked any questions, you havent pushed anyone, you havent done anything but add your vote. Slow i may be, but you sir are caught.

Heh, yeah because I haven't been here. Such an odd thing, aint it. I'll try to keep my blackberry with me at all times to avoid this travesty in the future. Come on Anomandaris, try to find some kind of argument that actually has an ounce of value, this is getting a little embarassing.

Whats embarassing is the fact that you continue to use sarcasm to disregaurd everything I've said. I mean really Korlat, since your day 1 pointing at me, Kas, and Sil, you havent contributed an ounce to the game, even in the 2 hours you have been around. No suspects(I imagine I am still one, of course) but you haven't done anything to help find scum, don't deny it, I mean come on.