[Rashan]

On a course next two days, hopefully have net access as its in my building. two of the three/four people who semi revealed on day 1 are dead, what does that tell you?

korlat our fake finder reveal is still around, i would recommend an investigation on him tonight.

[Galayn Lord]

Path-Shaper, on Mar 11 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Galayn Lord - Telas
Mockra - Telas
Rashan - Silanah
Omtose - Telas
Korlat - Silanah
Tennes - Telas
Anomandaris - Silanah
Gamelon - Silanah

There are 24 hours and 53 minutes left in Day 2.

These 15 are alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kaschan, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

8 votes to lynch, 8 for night.
Votes:
4 for Telas - Galayn Lord, Mockra, Omtose, Tennes
4 for Silanah - Rashan, Korlat, Anomandaris, Gamelon

So it was 4 votes Telas vs 2 votes Silanah when Anomandaris showed up, and voted Silanah saying Fener was scummy for not hammering.

Well, that's my working hypothesis for now, I'm even more convinced Telas is a killer.

[Galayn Lord]

Rashan, on Mar 12 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

On a course next two days, hopefully have net access as its in my building. two of the three/four people who semi revealed on day 1 are dead, what does that tell you?

korlat our fake finder reveal is still around, i would recommend an investigation on him tonight.

I think Korlat is another symp.

He caused the stir on day 1, he joke-votes Galain on day 1 for laying low when 10 players didn't show up yet, he voted Silanah yesterday when there was 3-1 for Telas.

I'm beginning to like Obdi's "summaries vote counts".

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 12 March 2009 - 09:28 AM

[Rashan]

you see people questioned why sil would protect korlat, but if the killers ahve a symp and neither know the other teams (as implied in opening scene) then it stands to reason that the symps only know their masters so would be looking to protect certain possibilities from harm. out of the three ano, korlat and telas - i think possibly korlat as last killer and telas as his symp. that would explain why he didnt drop on silanah as he may have assumed sil was also a symp or the other killer.

[Rashan]

hmm conflicting ideas, but both are reasonably sound. my main reasoning for korlat killer over telas though is his disappearance aftr the stir. telas hasnt shut up during his post times really and thats dangerous for a killer.

[Rashan]

got twenty minutes before i have to go to this training, whats the status for today?

[Galayn Lord]

Rashan, on Mar 12 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

hmm conflicting ideas, but both are reasonably sound. my main reasoning for korlat killer over telas though is his disappearance aftr the stir. telas hasnt shut up during his post times really and thats dangerous for a killer.

Well Telas did stay - relatively- silent yesterday, he only showed up his full smug face after the night showing that there were 2 NK so it obviously innocents himself.

Anyways, that's maybe looking too deep into things, but Anomandaris' post is the only one relating to Galain that I found... unnatural.

[Rashan]

well you did quote korlat voting galain early on day one, so that might have been a symp signalling his master. Of course he will claim he is tto smart to do that think we have four votes.

[Mockra]

Rashan, on Mar 12 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

well you did quote korlat voting galain early on day one, so that might have been a symp signalling his master. Of course he will claim he is tto smart to do that think we have four votes.

He usually uses smilies, so may have assumed we started looking for those

[Rashan]

back in a few hours.

[Kaschan]

Im off for the night Been a slow day O.o

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on Mar 12 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Im off for the night Been a slow day O.o

Yeah, all we had was a finder reveal. Entirely inconsequential and not likely to make an impact of any sorts
I guess we have to wait for Galain to log on though.

Not to be a nitpicker, but before you voted Galain, you didn't bold the remove vote, so if you did have a previous vote standing out, you're currently not voting for Galain. Obdi showed he cares about such details before.

[Anomandaris]

Remove Vote Vote Galain

Sucks that you shot down my Korlat case, but scum is scum. Back in a minute.

[Korlat]

All right, I'll try to respond to anomandaris attempt in a second.

First though, for now there seems to be no opposition to GL's claim and thus I'll vote

Galain

This post has been edited by Korlat: 12 March 2009 - 11:33 AM

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 03:56 AM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 11 2009, 09:28 PM, said:

You sure got a bug up your ass over Korlat. Do you have a case made you could point too?

No, but I can make one real quick - Since the start of day 1 he's had no reservations about who we lynch. Well, heres an interesting bit-

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Mar 9 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

I am all alone now.

Well since so many people have tried to side track my case on Korlat But I shall not be turned away from the truth.

Come forth Korlat and answer the accusation that I have put forth.

Starting with

1. You are scum (reason being delusions of being a god like being)

2. That you are scum (Failure to defend your self)

That is all that I have so far but I shall be looking for further confirmation of my accusations.

1. It is actually you who is the scum.

2. If I was scum, would you – who's scum – accuse me of being a scum when me being lynched for being a scum would not be in your scummy interest because you are scum?

I think not.

Now, I didn't see this before, but no one knew that scum would be "together" until much much later day 1. Yet this says that he thinks that scum on team 1 wouldn't want to kill scum on team 2 because it wouldn't be in their best interest. Interesting, but back to the case.

While I was doing my catch-up I posted 2 posts that were odd. Korlat was convinced

It's a sentence formulated to include as many uses of the word scum as possible.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 06:32 PM, said:

Tennes, on Mar 9 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 05:51 PM, said:

Tennes, on Mar 9 2009, 04:57 PM, said:

ok now that galain's here it's pointless.

remove vote

Right after Galain appears Tennes removes vote, trying not to look suspicious maybe? 2 pages left.

just came back from my shower and saw this.

do you know how to read? i voted galain to try and get him lynched before he posted. if he posts, all the fun is gone. wow.

well, that is by far the scummiest answer I've seen so far.

Combined with the spamming of the last few pages, Tennes is climbing to the top of my suspect ladder. It's early yet, but he seems a good candidate.

Tennes

Then leaving his vote on Tennes (based on my post mind you) he asks me why I wont vote if I find him so questionable, I explain that it wasn't vote worthy and I didn't want to start a train (based on one lousy post) and he says I am now scummy and switches to me( add to that that I called him bloodthirsty and "labeled" him early and it would be hard to shake that label.

Although you try admirably to alter the meanings of what I said, I don't think anyone haven't read enough about our spout to buy this interpretation.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 12:55 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 12:54 AM, said:

or how about you stop symping me,

yeah, well, if you hadn't magically changed your posting times to match mine, you'd be on thin ice

who do you think I am?

I don't know. ... Spartacus?

anyways, we're letting Anomandaris off the hook. I don't like it..

In fact, I find him more suspicious than Tennes at this point.

Anomandaris

Now he and Telas start questioning my motives (Telas in a kind, loving caring way, lol, Anomander in a you scummy McScum face way). Pushing, at the time I was too busy answering questions to really think this through, but maybe my bloodthirsty remark hit a bit too close to home. You see it was the vote for my case and susequent pressure on me that made me see a bloodthirsty killer.

This was the obvious development and I don't understand why you included this at all. Of course I voted for you. Not doing so would've made me quite a bit of a hypocrite, wouldn't it. I did wait while the discussion was going on, but when me and Telas started talking about less consequential matters I decided I didn't like letting you off the hook like that.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 12:57 AM, said:

One more point, why hhaven't you asked why I din't vote for Gamelon? I believe that "case" to be the stronger of the two? hmm.

Edit": added O to IMO

That might have something to do with, I don't know, you showing some suspicion of Tennes whereas Gamelon's case was an obvious joke? .. but perhaps I'm just being slow.

Disregaurds my Game post and says it was a joke. And yes, I believe he was being slow

Eh.. I didn't disregard anything, I gave you a quite clear and understandable answer

part two upcoming.

[Korlat]

This part of your case is also pretty... pointless? It seems to me your just trying to include lots and lots of quotes to convince the sheep. Much like DiBs did in the past when evil. He didn't have much to go on so he just threw out lots and lots and lots of quotes and people bought it because a case with quotes must be good.

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 04:11 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:05 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:00 PM, said:

Now why would an innocent do that? I don't see it.

I wasn't trying to invalidate you, it just isn't a naturally inno thing to do, to vote someone and then question the person whos "case" you are following.

But it's not natural to try to use unpopular labels like that. They can be damn effective. I've used them both as a killer and as a symp in the past to get people's arguments out of the way. I've never ever done so as an innocent. It just reeks of scum to me, more so than anything I've seen so far and that includes Tennes.

Says me labeling him is scummy because of course only scum use the term bloodthirsty!

Again, you're trying to twist my argument by interpreting it as wrongly as possible. I've never said that, nor have I claimed you're scum only because of that term. It was that term that made me suspicious of you and is why I continued to put pressure on you which produced a lot more signs.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 10 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

I see pushing for a vote on someone as acting symp like considering its not their master..

Then you're reading it wrong. You see me pushing for the reason behind not voting, and then you see pushing at things about the answer I don't like. Anomandaris can get into as much of a huff as he wants, it's still an effective tactic pulling people out.

Whats an effective tactic? posting 2 questionable posts and then saying this?

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Well, thats all I found in the spam that I am sorry I missed. Anyway those 2 are on top of my list, but i won't vote right now until someone gets on to discuss.

As to your last post, yes yes, I called you bloodthirsty, you didn't like it, got it. hey heres a new lable for you to carry around "DICK BAG"

you're welcome.

It must be hard being forced to tackle allegations in mafia games. My heart goes out to you. It truly does. I'll try not to call you out on anything until I get a pm from PS saying that you're definitly scum. You know, just so that I don't question someone who might possibly turn out to be innocent. Imagine how terrible that would be. I couldn't bear the shame.

Heres the "reveal" post. See how he uses sarcasm to disregaurd everything I say and then things get messy.

Because you were sitting there complaining that I was mean to you for pushing. How could I possibly take you serious? You were acting like a little girl and I gave you what I considered an appropriate response.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:39 AM, said:

Galain, on Mar 9 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

ah ok, thanks.

Could this be a jester type of move? Because I don't know why someone would just post no, it isn't funny and it doesn't help anyone, especially the poster.

Now why would you think there is a jester, the roles where given to us in the OP?

Ah, I didn't notice it from all the fuming wink.gif

It would seem to me that you'd gotten the discussion you craved more readily if you'd put down a vote. That was what I asked you about right at first.

This post and the next make no sense, its as if he isn't even reading the thread, just attacking blindly

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 10 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 10 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

I see pushing for a vote on someone as acting symp like considering its not their master..

Then you're reading it wrong. You see me pushing for the reason behind not voting, and then you see pushing at things about the answer I don't like. AnomandarisJolt can get into as much of a huff as he wants, it's still an effective tactic pulling people out.

Whats an effective tactic? posting 2 questionable posts and then saying this?

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Well, thats all I found in the spam that I am sorry I missed. Anyway those 2 are on top of my list, but i won't vote right now until someone gets on to discuss.

As to your last post, yes yes, I called you bloodthirsty, you didn't like it, got it. hey heres a new lable for you to carry around "DICK BAG"

you're welcome.

It must be hard being forced to tackle allegations in mafia games. My heart goes out to you. It truly does. I'll try not to call you out on anything until I get a pm from PS saying that you're definitly scum. You know, just so that I don't question someone who might possibly turn out to be innocent. Imagine how terrible that would be. I couldn't bear the shame.

Are you really revealing "finder" this early?



I call "Shenanigans"

Well, at least my vote for you has some kind of content to it, but sure, go ahead.

See, his vote is on ME!


Both of the last two here were me managing to quote the wrong post. I dunno how I managed that. Tired I guess. Yet, it was a mistake quite visible to all I think, so why even include it. Just another quote to the mass, eh?



3rd installment upcoming

[Emurlahn]

I sadly don't have much time today, or tomorrow. Posting to avoid the Modkill basically till the Weekend

My vote I think will be the hammer. Anyone have a problem with it? If not I'll vote in an hour or so before bed. Haven't heard from Galain yet.

[Korlat]

More pointlessness.

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

Here is his response

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:44 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

Well, at least my vote for you has some kind of content to it, but sure, go ahead.

WTF? Your vote is on me. dude, wheres your car dude?

heh, I managed to quote the wrong post. I meant to quote yours.. Ah well, too late now.

right, that answers on bad post and ignores the other

It does what now? It explains that I quoted the wrong post.. How do you read more into that?

Now he "goes to bed and then realises "oh shit, Driss caught me fake revealing, here is what happens

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

I get up for a piss, check the thread and find people thinking I made a finder reveal? Read the tone of the post for christ sake. How can you possibly read that line, in the context of the rest of the text, as some kind of attempted reveal.

Sarcasm on the internet, I guess smilies must be used in copious amounts.

I noticed some other stuff in regards to me too, but I'll answer that tomorow.

personally I think he put that"reveal" in there to say later in the game he was a finder if he got in trouble.

Yeah, cause codes would've been a bloody dumb option. Not to mention I'd never be able to use something like that as a Finder claim later. You're trying to conjure these bogeymen from thin air and it's getting a bit tiresome.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 09:26 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 03:21 AM, said:

lol
exactly
after that BP satellite reveal of his, I trust no one.

well, I guess I should have foreseen how such a post could make some people vote for me (though I hardly see the logic of it as I've explained), though I still find the interpretation of that post somewhat absurd.

People find it easy I guess, to be suspicious of the aggressive players and thus use things for more than their real value. Yet, if you look at previous games, the aggressive players are generally those who produce results. I'm sorry if I offend peoples delicate sensibilities, but I'm not going to adapt my playing style because some people shy away from conflict.

Now I have to go to bed.

Glad that problem is solved, 30 minutes after his piss, he heads to bed, again. Now comes the shit, hes had all night to think about it and he thinks he has this game on lock down, here is his post, not this is after Sil defended the shit out of him, and f course he doesn't need THAT kind of attention.

Yes, I got stuck in the thread again after getting up. A typical sign of a killer.

Korlat, on Mar 10 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

what is the matter with you people? Well, some of you anyways. Kaschan, especially, is being more than a bit purposeful in his absolute belief that my post was some sort of reveal (which no rational being should be able to read as a finder reveal. Unfortunately worded perhaps, but no finder reveal. Gawd). It's quite ridiculous..

It was not a reveal, the post itself should tell you that quite clearly, the time in the game should tell you that quite clearly, logic should tell you that quite clearly. Kaschan's claim that no one can trust me is not true unless it's accepted as fact that what I did was some kind of reveal and the person trying his best to get it accepted as such seems to be Kaschan. Repeating over and over again my post as a reveal in a certain tone.

And Rashan, your argument makes no sense in a game such as this. Hinting towards roles as blatantly as that is not a valid tactic, especially not in a non cf game with two killer teams. If I'd known people would get their panties tied in a knot over something as ridiculous as this I would've just used a phrase like "when hell freezes over" instead of "when obdi sends me a pm telling me you're scum" which would equally incorporate the meaning I sought to capture.

Anyways, this has been very informative nevertheless.

I am quite certain now that Anomandaris is a killer. I don't think the game would've caught quite the same momentum, nor do I think an inno would get as flustered over a bit of pressure as did he. Then there's the bloodthirsty comment too. Of all my choices, Anomandaris is the player of who's alignment I am as close to certain as I can be this early.

His companion I'm quite sure of, is Silanah, who's making an effort to be as far from Anomandaris' camp as possible. Galayn Lord made a very good point about Silanah's playing, defending me like that in a non-cf game is odd like hell, and considering how the game had split, he tried a third option that would, as I said, place him on the complete opposite side of the field from Anomandaris, more so than anyone else. Apart from that the two have stayed out of each others ways completely. Anomandaris is the visible one, Silanah a bit more withdrawn.

Kaschan is a symp. OF this I'm quite convinced and though people will think this WIFOM, I don't really care. Notice how he continues to insist posting about my reveal as if it was a certainty when clearly it is not. Again and again and again he does so, working very hard to cement me as someone who's lying at every turn and should be ignored. An innocent would not do this, but Kaschan does not give me a killer feel, ergo symp.

I'm not sure what team he belongs too – I assume the distribution is 2-1 2-1 killer-symp each team – but that's hardly very important.

So there you are. I'm keeping my vote for Anomandaris until we get a vote count. I'd be willing to switch for Silanah. D'riss however I'm not so convinced about.

So he links me, his top suspect, with Sil, the person with the most votes at the time, and says Kas is our symp? why Kas, lets go back a little bit

How many votes did Sil have at the time? Not that many I think. And yes I linked you to him. GL's post about Sil was a good one and it made me re-read Sil. That's where I noticed how well he fitted into a killer pair with you. \\\

As for Kas, at that point I don't think I'd made any claims as to him being your symp. I had claimed that he was likely to be a symp, but whatever is convenient for your case.

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 10 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

I see pushing for a vote on someone as acting symp like considering its not their master..

Then you're reading it wrong. You see me pushing for the reason behind not voting, and then you see pushing at things about the answer I don't like. Anomandaris can get into as much of a huff as he wants, it's still an effective tactic pulling people out.

When Telas and Anomander where questioning me Kas pipes in and says hes pushing the vote on me, hmmm, curious.

I'm sorry, what? Oh, you put in Anomander. He's not playing. You must be scum.

Korlat, on Mar 10 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 10 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 10:40 AM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 10 2009, 05:36 AM, said:

tbh i only read the bit about me smile.gif

Why?

You dont care he has to say about anyone else?
Seems like self preservation is all you have on your mind...hmmmm.

given who he is, no not really. but on a more serious note, i am busy and have said my piece, unliek the rest of you i dont intend to talk complete crap about every little thing on thread even when it has no relevance to finding scum. if i see something i find interesting i will highlight it. as for self preservation, keep talking kesso i may eventually get round to noticign you yet.

so you have nothing to say in regards to my interpretation of the game? About my opinions regarding anomandaris, Silanah and Kaschan?

pushy pushy?

Of course it was. He'd refused to properly address the biggest event of day 1 at that stage. Should I just let him avoid it? Of course not. It's what called playing mafia.

4th coming up, damn quote tag limits

This post has been edited by Korlat: 12 March 2009 - 12:01 PM

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Mar 12 2009, 04:27 AM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 10 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

D'riss, on Mar 10 2009, 11:13 PM, said:

Korlat, on Mar 10 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

And Silanah is the best option. At least better than Korlat, who's a terribly misunderstood but good man.

If you were lying any lower today the roots from the grass would be tickling your nose doh.gif

Yesterday I was not busy and in a not of best moods, today I am in equally if not worse mood but have more to do. So, better then to lay low for a little while, I've given enough of myself to this thread for you to judge my alignment many times over. At least compared to most others here.

After the heat, and since then he has basically vanished.

I wont bother with more quotes, most of you don't like the wall of texts and wont be bothered to read it.

Key points first post, Korlat already knew that team evil would want to stick together. As if he knew their winning conditions. He picked me out while voting for my "case", and then attacked, he got heat and ran away, then came back to piss and defended himself until the heat was removed, he then links me with sil who has the most votes. Since the sil thing I haven't been mentioned once, as a matter of fact I don't think he suspects anyone anymore. Typical lay low since the pressure is already on Telas. Hope the pub was fun scum, you wont be celebrting your victory much longer if I have anything to say about it.

I don't even know how to respond to this. Anomandaris' case is a long line of quotes with little or no value apart from being seen as impressive. His whole case is based on three quotes and even those are pretty weak. He's trying to hide the weakness of his case by making it massive. It has worked in past. DiBs did it as scum only a few games ago, and people bought it even though there was no actuall content to the case. Just a lot of quotes.

I'll try to explain my approach to this game a little closer, there seems to be some confusion generally as to what I try to accomplish. To an extent I get tunnel vision, but that does not happen right away. I ask a lot of questions early, pointing out flaws I see, or just stuff that intrigues me in other posts. Generally these are answered a way that satisfies me or they're ignored. If they're ignored I just keep poking until I get a response. Now and then though, I get a response that rings false to me. Anomandaris' post was like that. The tone was all... wrong. And the blood thirsty comment topped it. Say what you want, but that's not an innocent thing to throw out like that. It's calculated, consciously or subconsciously. So I go for that and I up the pressure. Sometimes it ends there but with Anomandaris it did not. You could practically taste how he tensed up, and nothing he's done since has even partially convinced me I'm off track.

As for my inactivity. That's what happens when you've got other things to do. I can't prove it to you because that would be meta and all, so you'll just have to decide for yourselves what you think.

[Korlat]

well, that's it. I'm off to lecture.