[Galayn Lord]

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 11 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

2 Kills.. if im correct that there is only 1 killer for each of the 2 scum, Sil wasn't scum..

oh?

does that mean you people might take a chill pill and look at things rationally before voting me off out of spite?

We're NOT voting you out of spite. If you fail to understand why we vote for you, then I'm beyond words.

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

the underlined part's a misconception
I mentioned that due to a modkill, no lynch wouldn't be tragic towards the end of the day.
I also wrote that without CF, lynches lose some of their value for us, esp day 1 lynches.

Nope, you flipped a friggin' coin. Yes, you did. Apparently, you were so certain of youself you apparently let it to chance. And now you're acting pissed we lynched Silanah again, well it seems your coin was not as convincing for all of us.

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

and no, I do care that you lynch me--since it'd be a waste.
but I am comforted in the fact that if you lynch me you wouldn't be making a bigger mistake--though it's not he optimal choice either, lol

That CONFORTS you??? Not only there's no CF, so your smug satisfaction of being inno despite horrible play won't happen until after the game, but on top of that if we get you lynched we'll be living under the false assumption we are at least one scum down.



One more thing: What the fuck is that attitude that we lynched an inno? Because of 2 night kills?? In a 11-13 players game, there's normally 2 killers. You think in a 18-player game, there's again 2 killers, but on top of that they don't know of each other and risk killing one another? Really? It's Obdigore's game, and the balance is his problem, but I seriously doubt there's only 2 killers. Two teams of 1&2, maybe, is what I had in mind. But I could be wrong.

Anyways, all this to say that you can keep your holy attitude until we know for sure what did happen, unless that is part of your defense/misinformation campaign.

[Galayn Lord]

I think at this point I'm more pissed at Telas than game-wise suspicious of him.

Then again, all his posts since the lynch have been made with optimized pain-in-the-ass content.

Day 1, highest poster, no content at all, blocked a lynch on purpose
Day 2, mostly absent
Day 3, after the lynch, finally tries to retroactively explain himself, bullshit about 2 killers only so Silanah inno for sure, lol if you lynch me you idiots.

If he's acting like the lousy player, he's acting well.

I'll cool off.

[Serc]

Well, I'm off to bed.

I'd really like to hear from Korlat, and I suspect that by the time I wake up, things will have been thoroughly hashed out. I hope so, anyways.

[Galayn Lord]

I like how Gamelon got NKed despite being at times a disrupting element.

Day 1 he was all over the place, mostly in the center, and day 2 he was all about "forget Telas, lynch Silanah" from beginning to end. Maybe Silanah's partner thought he was a finder?

Anyways.

[Mockra]

Telas, on Mar 12 2009, 12:35 AM, said:

Mockra, on Mar 11 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 11 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

2 killer teams, 1 symp knows both

or

2 killers, 2-3 symps, know both

i'm assuming the scum number 4-5, because as general rule scum compose about a quarter of the players, and if we go with 6, as some proposed, that's a third, which is too much even with the chances of mutual kills, imho

There are also people who judge 1/3 the proper division. Mentalist, for one. Question is not what seems the general rule, but what Obdi judges amusing and suitable for tdmi 2.
Moreover, to kick in an open door, it suits you very well to reason there's only 4 scum, especially 1 killer + symp per team, as that pleads for you being a VPI. Scum craves that status as it allows them the freedom to go about their business unhindered (another thing that goes without saying).

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lol, w/e, its pretty obvious a bunch of you are hell bent on lynching me. I'm roleless, so I couldn't care less--at least you're not looking at a foinder/healer.

Nice mentality there... 'I don't give a shit if I get lynched, I'm not important anyway.' Attitude like that for half of us town and we could as well stop playing right now.

Also, what I still don't understand: you never seemed to care to bring up any arguments (like the modkill) as a reason for not lynching day 1, iirc. Yet you mention it now. As I said at the start of day 2, you should have a PoV on whether or not a lynch in general on day 1 would be adviseable. You never mentioned it, you never seemed to care, but did take the time to devote a post or three to the coin flip. Meh.

I don't want to repeat yesterday in having a fast lynch, but I'm very happy to vote for you again today.

the underlined part's a misconception
I mentioned that due to a modkill, no lynch wouldn't be tragic towards the end of the day.
I also wrote that without CF, lynches lose some of their value for us, esp day 1 lynches.

the "view user's posts" button is there for a reason you know.
or are you just going off the selected posts GL "provided" for you at the beginning of day 1?

honestly, how many of you actually BOTHERED to go back to the end of the day and read everyhting I wrote?
lol, GL didn't quote my every post, only the ones that fit the image of me he wanted to perpetuate--a high-post, no-content player with no opinion on anyhting.

which, of course, is different from me simply being unsure, but who cares, right?

and no, I do care that you lynch me--since it'd be a waste.
but I am comforted in the fact that if you lynch me you wouldn't be making a bigger mistake--though it's not he optimal choice either, lol

Actually, no. I did read everything, since it happened between my log-off and me arriving at work the next morning. However, I find no mention of you mentioning this in my notes. That might be because they are incomplete (making a cc of the entire thread is a stupid thing to do after all), that might also be because it was never given the weight such a decision and evaluation of pro's and cons deserve.

so stop staring down your nose at people and claiming those who vote for you are an ignorant mob. You were more obsessed with doing this whole coin toss thing than with doing the right thing - you wouldn't have left it to luck otherwise.

Now to read on and catch up.

[Mockra]

After the read: I'm content for now to leave the Anomandaris - Korlat catfight for what it is until Korlat replies again. I merely find it curious that one goes for a piss and then opens the laptop to do thirty minutes of reading and posting while sleepy, sounds more like a strategy to explain absence, but maybe the macbook is left open as a standard in that certain household.

GL, your last post is purely wifom. There really is no reason I can see to come with that particular observation at this time... don't know what you want to achieve with it.

If purely read by itself, it sounds suspicious, almost as if you owe someone an explanation - or instruct a symp on what you want him to look for. I really can't find anything else to connect it to, apart from the early wifom surrounding the night kills yesterday (in which I meddled as well... you then questioned me & D'riss for saying 'smart killers' - now, you seem to do something likewise. Why this off-hand comment at this time?

This post has been edited by Mockra: 12 March 2009 - 07:56 AM

[Galayn Lord]

OK, that was a tough decision, but here goes:

vote Galain


I'm a finder, and he's a killer (or, in Obdi's words, dirtier than a trucker bathroom in Brussels)

I tried to look back if I could make a case, but we're too entrenched in the Telas/Korlat/D'riss business still that it would actually sound scummy from me to even try. Plus, Galain did nothing. He just watched the show and put his votes based in the flow.


Of course, I understand that there's no CF, so no way to prove myself. However, since I am not brain-dead, I would not lie about this if I was inno, so between the two of us you're guaranteed a scum off.

I made this sacrifice for a few reasons:

1) I'm part of a pair of finders, so don't worry. I of course won't tell you who my partner was, but if someone claims to be my partner without codes, don't trust him.
2) I don't think there's 2x2 killers, so there's a chance getting rid of Galain will remove one NK per night, and it's a huge thing
3) Like I said before, I don't see a good case on Galain appearing anytime soon, thanks to Mr Coin Toss and Mr I'mAFinder up there.

For those who'll complain I'm jumping the gun and should have tried a case, or to see where the day goes first, well, that was the part of my decision that was tough. There is no CF, so no way to prove myself. If a train starts on someone and then I reveal my find, you'll assume I might have done that to save that person, and you'll end up lynching him at some point anyways. And it will decrease the confidence that Galain is indeed a killer.

[Galayn Lord]

Oh, and Omtose, my night 1 find, was inno.

[Galayn Lord]

Mockra, on Mar 12 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

GL, your last post is purely wifom. There really is no reason I can see to come with that particular observation at this time... don't know what you want to achieve with it.

If purely read by itself, it sounds suspicious, almost as if you owe someone an explanation - or instruct a symp on what you want him to look for. I really can't find anything else to connect it to, apart from the early wifom surrounding the night kills yesterday (in which I meddled as well... you then questioned me & D'riss for saying 'smart killers' - now, you seem to do something likewise. Why this off-hand comment at this time?

I'm not using that in any argument nor am I trying to convince anyone. I was just surprised Gamelon got killed despite being a good lynch candidate or, barring that, an attention-getter.

I just also wanted to balance Telas' arguments that there's only 2 teams of 1 killers out there which he's pushing hard. I don't know if it's to innocent himself or plant false security. In both cases it's scummy, but I'm fed up of him at this point, and I know Galain is a killer.

[Galayn Lord]

Also, Galain yesterday was trying to push the lynch from Silanah to Telas, then hammered Silanah (or tried to, in a cross-post with someone). So, unless it's a case of the killer not having a clue about each other even now, we're not on the right track at all, and I don't want a Telas-centered day.

[Mockra]

Well, willing to see where it goes.

Remove vote
Vote Galain.

If you are scum, then we trade an inno lynch on a pretty quiet player for a withheld kill tonight (to fake, no other way to make it work), seems like a good deal either way.

[Galayn Lord]

Korlat, on Mar 9 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

Vote Galain, for being inactive and useless. I say we get rid of the low posters now before it's too late.

Interesting.

[Kaschan]

While I don't think you should have revealed... I have no objection to believing it..
Is there any reason you performed a find on Galain?
Remove Vote if I placed one.. don't remember..
Vote Galain
Lets hear his side before lynching as it seems we might be going for either him or GL today...

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Shit sorry that would have been funnier in the Kolat manner. Let me try that again.

Vote Korlat

That was a scummy thing to do Galain, saying there must be a jester? Why didn't you vote for him, if he is so questionable Telas? You both must be scum!


See funnier.

Interesting

[Rashan]

galain

not even going to bother explianing it, he himmed and hammed over silanah so was a viable find target, well done GL and co.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on Mar 12 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

Is there any reason you performed a find on Galain?

He felt scummy, and was out of the light. Same reason we chose Omtose on night 1.

As long as there are players who think RI means "Responsibilityless Innocent" and keep us distracted, that's how killers will play in this board.

Plus, I fail to see what investigating the main suspects (eg Silanah or Telas) will add to the game. If they are killers, they are about to go down anyways, and if they are inno, I'm not going to stick my neck out to save them. There's no CF anyways.

[Rashan]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 12 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Mar 12 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

Is there any reason you performed a find on Galain?

He felt scummy, and was out of the light. Same reason we chose Omtose on night 1.

As long as there are players who think RI means "Responsibilityless Innocent" and keep us distracted, that's how killers will play in this board.

Plus, I fail to see what investigating the main suspects (eg Silanah or Telas) will add to the game. If they are killers, they are about to go down anyways, and if they are inno, I'm not going to stick my neck out to save them. There's no CF anyways.

you should never go for the obvious ones, lynch them and investigate the hunches is always a good bet as a finder

[Galayn Lord]

Hmmm, after a massive head-ache inducing re-read, that's all I found as far as Galain interactions are concerned

So, possibilities:

1) He's part of a symp-less faction
2) The symp completely ignored him
3) The symp heavily symped Galain's partner.

Then there is:

4) Anomandaris is an all-knowing symp, and his post I quoted just now was a way to tell the two factions about each other.

Hmmm.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 12 March 2009 - 09:20 AM

[Rashan]

so you think korlat and ano and telas are the other scum? or who?

i think telas is scum personally, his reasons for not voting sil are weak.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

I agree that Sil should have been hammered, and telas may very wel have been symping him. Also I agree that Fener may have been scum on the other team, and tried to protect a fellow scum member. His actions of trying to divert the attention away from Sil and onto Driss were pretty obvious. Having said that I think this is the right way to proceed.

Vote Silanah

To finish what we started yesterday.

And yesterday when the pressure was on Telas for his non-hammer, he said this.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.