[Hoods Balls]

Always thought about the possible linkage between the name Forkrul Assail and the continent of Assail. probably just a coincidence...or?

[MTS]

We simply don't know. Our best info is that humans dominate the continent (or at least part of it), and we haven't had mention of Forkrul Assail there, but that doesn't really mean anything. Perhaps it is where they first originated, or where they mostly existed an antiquity?

[Puck]

If I remember correctly, in RotCG Kyle

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who's from some continent not named thinks of a place/forest/valley, where his people dreaded to go for there were supposed to live demons or something. Meh, memory's vague, I should probably search for a quote. But I remember that it made me think of FA and suspect, Kyle's from Assail.

[MTS]

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Sorry Puck, nice theory, but we know Kyle is from Bael, which, if you look at Wert's map, is a little subcontinent just off Korel and Stratem. Close to Assail, though, so it's possible. Kyle isn't from Assail, but the sea might not be a boundary for them.

[Puck]

You're right with Bael, and maybe with the sea, too, it's possible at least. Thanks for correcting

[MTS]

That's alright. I like the theory though, the Forkrul Assail being an isolationist group on Assail. Justifies the name. If there are FA on Assail, I suspect they would have an influence (direct or indirect) on the power of the humans opening cans of whoop-ass on the T'lan Imass.

[Hoods Balls]

How many FA have we actually met in the books? I can think of only one in HoC...what was her name again...Calm? The conversation she has with Karsa is pretty interesting. She says something like Karsa is choosen and there will come a time when will change the world and when that time comes, she will be there to bring...peace. Not 100% sure the FAs notion of peace is in accordance with mine though.

[Aptorian]

Only way to create peace and order is to kill everything.

We met Calm in HoC, Serenity in MT and Knuckles in RG.

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Poleil and Soleil

are possibly also ascendant Forkrull Assail.

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[Hoods Balls]

Thanks Apt, Im saving my re-read of RG until the very last moment. From where is it said or implied that

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Poleil and Soleil

could be FA ascendants? Totally missed that one

[Sheve]

Kettle could perhaps count if you are generous.

[MTS]

Hoods Balls, on Jun 4 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Thanks Apt, Im saving my re-read of RG until the very last moment. From where is it said or implied that

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Poleil and Soleil

could be FA ascendants? Totally missed that one

It's an inference from their physical descriptions, iirc.

[Sheve]

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BH when captain paran metts poliel
"Commanding thes seat, a figure radiating such power that her form was barely disconcernible. Long limbs, supporating with venom. bared chest androgynous in its lack of definition. its schrunken frailty; the legs extended outward seemed to posses to many joints, and the feet were threetoed and taloned, raptorial yet as large as an enkaral, Poiliels eyes were but the faintest of sparks, blurred and damp at the center of black bowls. Her mounth, broad and the lips cracked and oozing, curled now inte a smile."

the part about the joints are often pointed out about th FA.

[MTS]

Soliel:

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"she stood behind the altar, as androgynous as her now-dead sister, her long fingers - so perfect for closing eyelids over unseeing eyes - clutching, forming fists at her side..."

It's very possible.

[Hoods Balls]

Thanks guys. Never made that connection but now I see it's certainly possible. Hmm..Im thinking if this is true, that the...

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God Karsa is supposed to kill could be Calm? She was once so powerful Icarium and the Imass had to confine her plus the fact that when Karsas moment comes, she will be there. Crazy theory probably

[MTS]

Only problem with that is, I would hazard a guess and say she isn't a god, just a powerful Ascendant, or even just a regular FA with powers of longevity.

[Elephant Tamer]

Not so sure about the ascended assail theory. Power levels seem to correlate negatively with population in this series. The jhagut, even the least of them, seem to be quite powerful. But look at it another way, we have met very few assail, and yet they are all uber. I think the apathy thing fits better.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Elephant Tamer, on Jun 4 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Not so sure about the ascended assail theory. Power levels seem to correlate negatively with population in this series. The jhagut, even the least of them, seem to be quite powerful. But look at it another way, we have met very few assail, and yet they are all uber. I think the apathy thing fits better.

Well, we don't really know what the least of the Jaghut or Forkrul Assail were like power wise...because they are all dead. I agree with the ones that we see being some of the most powerful of the race.

especially

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when you read RG and you see the part where Beak talks about the wars between FA and the Tiste Liosan, that part makes me think that the FA used to be a much larger race than we've seen

[Puck]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on Jun 5 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

especially

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when you read RG and you see the part where Beak talks about the wars between FA and the Tiste Liosan, that part makes me think that the FA used to be a much larger race than we've seen

They were, there was a FA civilization and they lived organized in enclaves.. Source MT, Silchas and Kettle talking. The whole part about the FA is interesting, but I marked the civilization and what is left of it parts..

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'In this civilization,' he continued, 'its citizens were bound to acts of utmost savagery. Vast cities were constructed beneath the world's surface. Each chamber, every building, assembled as the physical expression of the quality of absence. Solid rock matched by empty space. From these places, where they did not dwell, but simply gathered, they set out to achieve balance.'
It seemed he would not lead her through any of the doorways, so she fixed her attention instead on the images. 'There are no faces.'
'The opposite of identity, yes, Kettle.'
'The bodies look strange.'
'Physically unique. In some ways more primitive, but as a consequence less... specialized, and so less constrained. Profoundly long-lived, more so than any other species. Very difficult to kill, and, it must be said, they needed to be killed. Or so was the conclusion reached after any initial encounter with them. Most of the time. They did fashion the occasional alliance. With the Jaghut, for example. But that was yet another tactic aimed at reasserting balance, and it ultimately failed. As did this entire civilization.'
Kettle swung round to study that distant heap of... something. 'Those are bodies, aren't they?'
'Bones. Scraps of clothing, the harnesses they wore.'
'Who killed them?'
'You had to understand, Kettle. The one within you must understand. My refutation of the Forkrul Assail belief in balance is absolute. It is not that I am blind to the way in which force is ever countered, the way in which the natural world strains towards balance. But in that striving I see no proof of a god's power; I see no guiding hand behind such forces. And, even if one such existed, I see no obvious connection with the actions of a self-chosen people for whom chaos is the only rational response to order. Chaos needs no allies, for it dwells like a poison in every one of us. The only relevant struggle for balance I acknowledge is that within ourselves. Externalizing it presumes inner perfection, that the eternal struggle is over, victory is achieved.'
'You killed them.'
'These ones here, yes. As for the rest, no. I was too late arriving and my freedom too brief for that. In any case, but a few enclaves were left by that time. My draconic kin took care of that task, since no other entity possessed the necessary power. As I said, they were damned hard to kill.'
Kettle shrugged, and she heard him sigh.
'There are places, lass, where Forkrul Assail remain. Imprisoned for the most part, but ever restless. Even more disturbing, in many of those places they are worshipped by misguided mortals.'

[lobo the wolfman]

Just a crazy idea, but i was just thinking about the FA's name, what if it was once For k'rul Assail. I mean old names have changed before

Anomandaris Purake - Anomander Rake
Osric, Osserc

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Liossercal

Shedenul, Soliel
Trake, Treach

If the FA where once servants of K'rul RG

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it would explain why they and the Errant where fighting each other. The Errant trying to keep the old system of the Holds, the FA helping K'rul with the warrens. I mean the Pure blood dragons didn't have to be K'ruls only allies in his plan.

[Aptorian]

lobo the wolfman, on Jun 5 2009, 05:21 AM, said:

Just a crazy idea, but i was just thinking about the FA's name, what if it was once For k'rul Assail. I mean old names have changed before

Anomandaris Purake - Anomander Rake
Osric, Osserc

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Liossercal

Shedenul, Soliel
Trake, Treach

If the FA where once servants of K'rul RG

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it would explain why they and the Errant where fighting each other. The Errant trying to keep the old system of the Holds, the FA helping K'rul with the warrens. I mean the Pure blood dragons didn't have to be K'ruls only allies in his plan.

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From the Errant and FWs reactions to discovering the current gods and the house system in RG, I think the stopped being a Master of the Tiles and walked out of his tempels long before the Houses were made.

I think that just because the word krul appears in their name, it's a stretch to make this connection.