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wow.
Why would a 14 yo go to Hell, exactly?
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 04:02 AM
Eh, I'm personally agnostic and don't really believe in heaven/hell, so I just generalize as hell.
Although I doubt this kid was christian, so...
Although I doubt this kid was christian, so...
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 04:55 AM
so what exactly should we talk about in the Odyssey?
personally, one frasgment that always intrigued me, but wasnot covered in much detail (i read the prose summaries of myths, not the actual poetic text--couldn't stand poetry when I was yonger) was the bit about lotus-eating people that have lured off some of Odysseus' crew early on in their journey.
personally, one frasgment that always intrigued me, but wasnot covered in much detail (i read the prose summaries of myths, not the actual poetic text--couldn't stand poetry when I was yonger) was the bit about lotus-eating people that have lured off some of Odysseus' crew early on in their journey.
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 05:43 AM
@Telas- that is one of the smallest portions of Odysseus' voyage. It takes up less than 2 pages I believe.
Interesting but very brief. It was more of a lets scout this island, and the scouts partook in the lotus and went into a dream like state where they didn't want to leave. Odysseus carries them to the ships and ties them up, places them under the benches and sails off. That is all.
edit: this is from the poetry version.
Interesting but very brief. It was more of a lets scout this island, and the scouts partook in the lotus and went into a dream like state where they didn't want to leave. Odysseus carries them to the ships and ties them up, places them under the benches and sails off. That is all.
edit: this is from the poetry version.
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:24 AM
When does night end?
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:24 AM
I know that.
but there are two things that interest me about it
1) it's the only place in the entire recorded mythology where that land is ever mentioned. and unlike most other places, possible real-life equivalent was ever really proposed for it.
2) from the really brief descriptions, the place appears t be paradise on earth--the inhabitants weren't malevolent, they greeted the greeks and shared the lotus, and the Greeks did not want to leave. it's odd that such an idyllic place is never mentioned again.
at least to me.
any particular passages you found interesting?
but there are two things that interest me about it
1) it's the only place in the entire recorded mythology where that land is ever mentioned. and unlike most other places, possible real-life equivalent was ever really proposed for it.
2) from the really brief descriptions, the place appears t be paradise on earth--the inhabitants weren't malevolent, they greeted the greeks and shared the lotus, and the Greeks did not want to leave. it's odd that such an idyllic place is never mentioned again.
at least to me.
any particular passages you found interesting?
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:39 AM
Fair points, there are voyages you can take tracing the "path" of Odysseus these days since scholars believe they know where many of the places were.
One of the passages that I like is that of the Hades after speaking to Teiesias when Odysseus encounters and sees many heroes of lore (Herakles, Minos, Theseus )for him and us, and the tortures of Sisphyos, Tantalus, and the speaking with Achilles, Agamemnon, and Ajax (who doesn't talk still bitter about his sucide).
The encounter with Achilles is incredibly interesting as it is a direct contradiction from his views in the Odyssey where he would prefer a short life and great glory to a long life without it. Now all he want to be alive.
One of the passages that I like is that of the Hades after speaking to Teiesias when Odysseus encounters and sees many heroes of lore (Herakles, Minos, Theseus )for him and us, and the tortures of Sisphyos, Tantalus, and the speaking with Achilles, Agamemnon, and Ajax (who doesn't talk still bitter about his sucide).
The encounter with Achilles is incredibly interesting as it is a direct contradiction from his views in the Odyssey where he would prefer a short life and great glory to a long life without it. Now all he want to be alive.
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:53 AM
ah here we go,
"After him I was aware of powerful Herakles; his image, that is, but he himself among the immortal gods enjoys their festivals, married to sweet-stepping Hebe, child of great Zeus and Hera of the golden sandals..."
His shade even ends up speaking to Odysseus speaking of his 12 labors. I guess even when raised to godhood a piece must still stay dead to fit the rules or something.
"After him I was aware of powerful Herakles; his image, that is, but he himself among the immortal gods enjoys their festivals, married to sweet-stepping Hebe, child of great Zeus and Hera of the golden sandals..."
His shade even ends up speaking to Odysseus speaking of his 12 labors. I guess even when raised to godhood a piece must still stay dead to fit the rules or something.
