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Chimp attacks old lady and is shot to death Seriously America, what the fuck?!

#1 User is offline   Aptorian 

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:33 PM

WTF?!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/nyregion...tml?_r=1&hp

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Woman Mauled by Chimp Is Still in Critical Condition
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Charla Nash, a friend of the chimpanzee’s owner, was viciously attacked in Stamford on Monday — with much of her face torn away — when she stepped out of her car at her friend’s house. The male chimpanzee, Travis, was eventually shot dead by officers, and Ms. Nash was taken to Stamford Hospital, where she remained on Tuesday.

In an interview, Capt. Richard Conklin of the Stamford Police said that Travis, 14, was believed to have Lyme disease, a tick-borne bacterial infection that in rare cases has been linked to psychosis, severe anxiety and delusional behavior. Travis had been in an agitated state most of the day Monday, and at one point his owner took the unusual step of giving him tea laced with Xanax in an attempt to calm him down, Capt. Conklin said.

“We’re trying to see if that factored into this,” he said of the Lyme disease.

Other than medication he might have been taking for the disease, Travis was not on any drugs and was not usually given Xanax, he added.

Despite their appearances, chimpanzees are known to possess astonishing power, with the average adult male having four to five times the upper-body strength of an adult human. As pets, they can be extremely difficult. They typically act aggressively toward their owners when they reach adulthood, and once reared by humans, they cannot be re-introduced into the wild because other chimpanzees will reject them, experts say.

The injuries Travis inflicted on Ms. Nash, whom he had known for years, were called horrendous.

“I’ve been doing this a long time and have never seen anything this dramatic on a living patient,” said Capt. Bill Ackley of Stamford Emergency Medical Service and the head of the paramedic crew that treated Ms. Nash..

The attack, in the driveway of a sprawling home in a densely wooded neighborhood on the north side of Stamford, marked a brutal end for Travis, a popular figure in town who had appeared in television commercials and often posed for photographs at the towing shop operated by his owners. He had escaped before, and in 2003 playfully held up traffic at a busy intersection for several hours, But he had no history of violence, the authorities said. Travis’s social skills included drinking wine from a stemmed glass, dressing and bathing himself and using a computer.

Travis’s owner, Sandra Herold, 70, had raised him almost as one of her own children, but found herself lunging at him with a butcher knife on Monday to protect Ms. Nash, said Capt. Conklin, who gave the following account.

Ms. Herold told detectives that Travis was in a rambunctious mood Monday afternoon. He took her keys from the kitchen table, unlocked a door and let himself out into the yard at 241 Rock Rimmon Road.

“He’s going to different cars and tapping on them, trying the doors, a clear indication he wanted to go for a ride,” Captain Conklin said.

Travis would not be lured back into the house, even after Ms. Herold gave him the Xanax-laced tea. Ms. Herold called Ms. Nash, who drove over, but when she stepped out of her car at around 3:40 p.m., Travis went at her full force. While it was not clear what prompted the assault, Ms. Nash had markedly changed her hairstyle since the last time Travis had seen her, possibly leading him to mistake her for an intruder.

Ms. Herold tried to pull Travis off her friend, but, Captain Conklin noted, “Sandra is 70 years old, and a 200-pound chimpanzee is much, much stronger than a 200-pound human being.”

Ms. Herold called 911, grabbed a knife and stabbed Travis several times, to little avail. When emergency service vehicles pulled up, Travis fled, leaving Ms. Nash face down in the driveway.

One team of officers combed the woods for Travis, while another formed a protective cordon around the paramedics ministering to Ms. Nash, who Captain Ackley said also suffered multiple broken bones.

After a while, Captain Conklin said, Travis returned and “went after the officers.” He knocked a mirror off the passenger’s side of a police cruiser with one swing of his arm, then ran around to the driver’s side, opened the door and attacked the officer in the driver’s seat.

“He’s trapped in his car,” Captain Conklin said. “He has nowhere to go. So he pulls his sidearm and shoots the chimp several times in close proximity.” Travis then disappeared into the woods.

The officer, whose name was not released, was treated for trauma. Ms. Herold was not seriously injured but was hospitalized.

Eventually officers picked up a blood trail, which they followed back to the house. There they found Travis in his living quarters, a caged-in area with a bed and other furnishings of comfortable captivity. He was dead.

Captain Conklin said that charges against Ms. Herold were unlikely.

“We’ll certainly speak to the experts and the prosecutors,” he said, “but we truly hope that there are no charges. It’s a modern-day tragedy.”



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So, explain this to me. Why is a 70 year old woman allowed to own a giant monkey? Why are Americans allowed to own monkeys at all? Who the hell lets a 200 hundred pound monkeys run around free in public? Why wasn't the woman equipped with the proper tools to handle a giant chimp... like a dart gun or a sawn off shotgun? No wonder Americans need all those guns if they have giant wild animals running around on their streets.

What the hell? Look at the size of the thing. It could tear a car in half for christs sake and she gave it DRUGS! :(
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:35 PM

It was a specially trained, actor monkey/ape.
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:38 PM

So fucking what?! It's a huge wild animal with superhuman strength. No amount of training can change the nature of a beast. I'm surprised the thing hadn't raped somebody before it was shot.

I was sort of sad when I read that it had returned to die in its home though :(
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:39 PM

Hell, I don't know why we get to have guns. Evidently, it's to shoot wild, rampaging apes.
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:39 PM

So the chimp has never attacked anyone before and also received Xanax for the first time the same day.......So basically she altered the brain chemistry of an animal and then is surprised it went ape shit (pun intended!)!
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:49 PM

Owning a monkey isn't all that outrageous. Michael Jackson used to have his own personal zoo for god's sake. People, evidently own and train bears, tiger cubs, alligators. It's all ridiculous.
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 10:38 PM

Bonobo chimps are the sexcrazed ones, Apt. Normal chimps just go around stealing babies out of houses and eating them.
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 10:41 PM

It is one of those stories where you just sigh a bit and say "only in america.." :o

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 10:42 PM

Bonobos use sex as a way of reconciliation.

While Chimps are the extremely agressive ones, while this chimp may have been trained maybe the violence is just an innate characteristic, which would be sad but possibly true.
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 11:11 PM

As I know, chimps are not exactly extreme agressive. They are animals so they will behave accourting to their nature, thereby defending their babies, fight for their territory and etcetera. But if you see wildlife researchers follow groups of chimps around, you will see that they are mostly pretty normalminded and not extremely aggressive as you say.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 03:39 PM

It's unlikely the xanax was the dominant factor in all this. It's a tranquiliser so should have calmed him down rather than made him more aggressive. And before anyone pipes up with "it's a drug for humans not chimps" please bear in mind that it has been tested on animals and wouldn't even have been tested on humans if it had a tendancy to make the animals go nuts.
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Posted 19 February 2009 - 04:17 PM

Jane Goodall- the primatoligist who studied chimps for years said that in hindsight she wouldn't have let the chimps be so close to her and her team during the years of study because of how aggressive they are. Which is why I commented how they are agressive. I'm sure that it doesn't affect all aspects of their life but it does happen in some unfortunately.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 05:52 PM

View PostMenandore, on Feb 19 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

It's unlikely the xanax was the dominant factor in all this. It's a tranquiliser so should have calmed him down rather than made him more aggressive. And before anyone pipes up with "it's a drug for humans not chimps" please bear in mind that it has been tested on animals and wouldn't even have been tested on humans if it had a tendancy to make the animals go nuts.



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Posted 20 February 2009 - 02:10 PM

View PostMezla PigDog, on Feb 19 2009, 05:52 PM, said:

View PostMenandore, on Feb 19 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

It's unlikely the xanax was the dominant factor in all this. It's a tranquiliser so should have calmed him down rather than made him more aggressive. And before anyone pipes up with "it's a drug for humans not chimps" please bear in mind that it has been tested on animals and wouldn't even have been tested on humans if it had a tendancy to make the animals go nuts.



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Ok, fair point, it could have been a contributing factor but I still disagree with Apt's original sentiment that it was crazy to administer the drug in the first place. It was a tranquiliser which should have calmed the beast. If it did cause the aggressive reaction, it was just bad luck that that particular animal reacted badly.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 02:26 PM

There are wild baboons running all over my mountain.
They are sneaky buggers and can be rather vicuos if provoked.
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Posted 22 February 2009 - 04:23 AM

Kind of sad how easy it is for private owners to have exotic animals like this. Despite the fact that you treat it like a human, it's not a human. I seem to recall the reports saying the woman who was mauled had an almost complete makeover to her hair and outward appearance and that the base instinct of a chimp in the wild percieving a challenge to his territory is to bite off the hands and feet of the rival. Yet another reminder that Animals are best as food.
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Posted 03 March 2009 - 10:32 AM

I think there's been a spate of animal-attacks lately...three shark attacks in Sudney in the last month.
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Posted 03 March 2009 - 10:53 AM

This reminds me of a story in the Manchester Metro a few years back, about a bear that sat on an elderly lady and killed her.

Apparently, this big bear was taken on a 'visit' to a retirement home, and while it was there, it accidentally sat on a 97 year old woman, who was in an armchair it obviously liked the look of.

I just remember reading that, and thinking that after managing to stay alive for 97 years, and making it to a quiet retirement, i bet she never saw that coming...





Poor chimp should never have been in that situation in the first place.

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 01:11 PM

And now the american senate is jumping on anti-monkey legislation in the middle of the worst economic crisis in 100 years. Hilarious how some stuff just doesn't get back-burnered. You'd think somebody in the senate would realize

"hey, I want to do something about this chimp problem, but you know, it probably isn't the most important thing I could do today".

Nope. Not in politics.

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 01:15 PM

"Global economic crisis, job losses, banks crashing......

....Hey look, a monkey!"
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