[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

[Fener]

I've given you the answer already guys, stop worrying (and learn to love the bomb!).


22 deaths tonight is the way forward. On a side note, who would win in that scenario? There would be two equal sides without any way of them killing each other. Guess you'd have to call it a draw.

[Ampelas]

Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Not entirely correc, first and third will probably coordinate their attacks together, to make sure if they hit a first, he dies. And above someone said(HP?) if a 1st and 3rd hit a blackmask he doesn't die? How did you come to that conclusion?

Read the game mechanics.

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

Right oh. Maths was never my strong point.

[Ampelas]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

[Fener]

Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Not entirely correc, first and third will probably coordinate their attacks together, to make sure if they hit a first, he dies. And above someone said(HP?) if a 1st and 3rd hit a blackmask he doesn't die? How did you come to that conclusion?

If you target someone more than one rank below you then there is no death, but the player you target doesn't get to challenge anyone that night. So sayeth the rules.

[Galayn Lord]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

I've given you the answer already guys, stop worrying (and learn to love the bomb!).


22 deaths tonight is the way forward. On a side note, who would win in that scenario? There would be two equal sides without any way of them killing each other. Guess you'd have to call it a draw.

you sound like you're one of the firsts, advocating the way forward to get your school a draw.

of course, a draw doesn't really work in this case, since the prize at stake is the right to challenge blacksword. if it's a tie between schoos, the problem isn't solved, since Blacksword has only 1 mask.

[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

I agree

everyone target Fener at night.

[Fener]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

I agree

everyone target Fener at night.

Won't that just mean that I'm blocked from accepting any challenges and nobody dies?

[Ampelas]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

I agree

everyone target Fener at night.

You blatantly know that Fener is your first, so you want everyone to target Fener, so all except the firsts of the opposition teams and your whole team die, therefore your team win!

[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

I agree

everyone target Fener at night.

You blatantly know that Fener is your first, so you want everyone to target Fener, so all except the firsts of the opposition teams and your whole team die, therefore your team win!

foiled again!

what is it about me that giveas away all my plans?

[Galayn Lord]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

blackmasks can't kill other blackmasks

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)
But Fener's solution better

I agree

everyone target Fener at night.

Won't that just mean that I'm blocked from accepting any challenges and nobody dies?

that's only if the implications of what I suggested about you misleading us based on earlier preconceptual misconceptions are true.

wait, what?

[Hood's Path]

Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 10:42 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Not entirely correc, first and third will probably coordinate their attacks together, to make sure if they hit a first, he dies. And above someone said(HP?) if a 1st and 3rd hit a blackmask he doesn't die? How did you come to that conclusion?

This has already been answered but just to be absolutely clear:

Quote

Game Mechanic Thread

Each School will consist of :-

1 First level segeluh (can be lynched, or killed by one first level seguleh and one Third or above)

1 Third level seguleh (can be lynched, or killed one third level seguleh and one Seventh level or above)

1 Seventh level seguleh (can be lynched, or killed by one seventh level seguleh and one blackmask or above)

5 Blackmasks (can be lynched, or killed by two blackmasks or one seventh level)

Mechanics

Each night everyone can target another player.

Targetting a player above you results in your death.

Targetting a player directly below you in the hierarchy results in their death.

Targetting a player more than one rank below you will result in that player being unable to accept or undertake challenges.

Targetting a player on your level results in no death.

Each member of the school receives the name of their First and third. If a team is reduced to only blackmasks they will join other schools.

Order of actions is top level down.

Note - The first and third of every school can talk off thread at all times. Every member of the school knows the name of the first and the third.


The CF will reveal the school and the alt of the player killed.

[Galayn Lord]

did i say true? I meant "false"
I think

[Galayn Lord]

"order of actions" is top level down"

so, if the firsts kill the thirds, all other actions are cancelled, I think.

[Galayn Lord]

actually, wait, I'm a moron
the THIRDS' actions are cancelled.
if the Sevenths' kill any blackmasks, those orders stand.
same goes for the Blackmasks who aren't tagetted by the Seventh's actions.

my brain hurts.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

"order of actions" is top level down"

so, if the firsts kill the thirds, all other actions are cancelled, I think.

Makes sense. How could the third take anyone out if he's in a bloody pool on the floor.

Other players actions could carry on though.

Edit : for clarity
Edit again: Crosspost

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 10 February 2009 - 05:05 PM

[Fener]

@GL: So what you're saying is, this game is too confusing and we should all give up now?

@Amp: Point of information - were I indeed GL's first, then telling everyone to target me would result in my death due to the other two firsts attacking me. Not the best plan on his part .

[Liosan]

Ok have just checked around the korlat kaschan thing, and while orignally Kaschan seemed to me to not have anything to do with it whatsoever , the subsequent reactions of Korlat and Kaschan make me wonder if there might actually be something there that was randomly stumbled upon.

[Galayn Lord]

so, to do a recap

3 1sts kill 3 3rds - deaths
3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks - 3 deaths.

remaining 11 blackmasks (assuming 1 was lynched) target other backmasks- 5 deaths (I think)

so, 11 deaths a night.

or we do it Fener's way,