[Galayn Lord]

 Thyrllan, on Feb 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

"you don't simply walk into Mordor", well how about voting for the bad guy?

vote Sauron

I think you want Modcraft for that one,

[Omtose]

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan picked up what, 3 votes or so?

I'd expect one to be someone in Galain's school, and one to be pressure or joke because that person knows Kaschan isn't in their school.

someone threw the number 5 at one point.

also, Omtose did you just imply that Galain' a first or a third?
since how else would his own schoolmates know him?

hmm, I didn't think of that. But if it is true that his team is voting with him then it must be.

you know, that COULD be seen as a "slip" indicating that you're in Galain's school and he's your master,

Doubt it, we were clearly discussing the train so it stands to reason that some votes knew Galain. But if he were my master, why would I bring it up in the first place?

that's th underlying concept of a "slip"--you SHOULDN'T bring it up, byt you do due to some foolishness...and then you pay the price

anyhow, all this is purely hypothetical. I mean, would a First or a Third REALLY spam so much, attracting such undue attention?

That's exactly what they want you to think? Why else would people be so out in the open? unless they are inno, which is why it works so well.

[Galayn Lord]

 Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 08:22 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

also, this is interesting

we know the actions are submitted from the top downt he food chain.
dot hey get resolved same way?

i.e, if a third challenged a third who challenged a Seventh, does the seventh die and then the third? or just the Third and the seventh lives due to challenger's death?

If a third challenged a third, then neither would die (same level and all that), the seventh would still die thought I think

meant if a first challenges a thrid who challenges a seventh--basically if one person kills and is killed same night, which action happens to them first?

Pretty sure all actions happen at the same time, so third kills sevent, and first kills third. First is only one left alive.

given that scenario, what's the maximum possible death toll per night?

[Omtose]

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Feb 10 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I was hoping the 400 posts would make sense after a reread, but I was mistaken.

welcome to day 1?
anyway, I recall a game that had over a thousand posts on day 1--mostly content-related pissing matches.

I remember a sign-up thread that had over 1000 posts day 1...

aye, I remember it like it was yesterday...

I guess it was such a nightmare to you that it is still incredibly vivid.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 10 February 2009 - 04:31 PM

[Galayn Lord]

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan picked up what, 3 votes or so?

I'd expect one to be someone in Galain's school, and one to be pressure or joke because that person knows Kaschan isn't in their school.

someone threw the number 5 at one point.

also, Omtose did you just imply that Galain' a first or a third?
since how else would his own schoolmates know him?

hmm, I didn't think of that. But if it is true that his team is voting with him then it must be.

you know, that COULD be seen as a "slip" indicating that you're in Galain's school and he's your master,

Doubt it, we were clearly discussing the train so it stands to reason that some votes knew Galain. But if he were my master, why would I bring it up in the first place?

that's th underlying concept of a "slip"--you SHOULDN'T bring it up, byt you do due to some foolishness...and then you pay the price

anyhow, all this is purely hypothetical. I mean, would a First or a Third REALLY spam so much, attracting such undue attention?

That's exactly what they want you to think? Why else would people be so out in the open? unless they are inno, which is why it works so well.

this is a merc game.
THERE ARE NO INNOS

[Omtose]

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan picked up what, 3 votes or so?

I'd expect one to be someone in Galain's school, and one to be pressure or joke because that person knows Kaschan isn't in their school.

someone threw the number 5 at one point.

also, Omtose did you just imply that Galain' a first or a third?
since how else would his own schoolmates know him?

hmm, I didn't think of that. But if it is true that his team is voting with him then it must be.

you know, that COULD be seen as a "slip" indicating that you're in Galain's school and he's your master,

Doubt it, we were clearly discussing the train so it stands to reason that some votes knew Galain. But if he were my master, why would I bring it up in the first place?

that's th underlying concept of a "slip"--you SHOULDN'T bring it up, byt you do due to some foolishness...and then you pay the price

anyhow, all this is purely hypothetical. I mean, would a First or a Third REALLY spam so much, attracting such undue attention?

That's exactly what they want you to think? Why else would people be so out in the open? unless they are inno, which is why it works so well.

this is a merc game.
THERE ARE NO INNOS

I KNOW... I WAS USING A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION IN A GAME OF KILLERS/INNOS. LIKE GRIEF BEING FM over in modcraft. He was in the open and people thought him inno. Just saying the same applies here.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 10 February 2009 - 04:33 PM

[Galayn Lord]

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Feb 10 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I was hoping the 400 posts would make sense after a reread, but I was mistaken.

welcome to day 1?
anyway, I recall a game that had over a thousand posts on day 1--mostly content-related pissing matches.

I remember a sign-up thread that had over 1000 posts day 1...

aye, I remember it like it was yesterday...

I guess it was such a nightmare to you that it is still incredibly vivid.

I told you- waster 3 hours of my life

[Ampelas]

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 08:22 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

also, this is interesting

we know the actions are submitted from the top downt he food chain.
dot hey get resolved same way?

i.e, if a third challenged a third who challenged a Seventh, does the seventh die and then the third? or just the Third and the seventh lives due to challenger's death?

If a third challenged a third, then neither would die (same level and all that), the seventh would still die thought I think

meant if a first challenges a thrid who challenges a seventh--basically if one person kills and is killed same night, which action happens to them first?

Pretty sure all actions happen at the same time, so third kills sevent, and first kills third. First is only one left alive.

given that scenario, what's the maximum possible death toll per night?

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

[Galayn Lord]

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

 Omtose, on Feb 10 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan picked up what, 3 votes or so?

I'd expect one to be someone in Galain's school, and one to be pressure or joke because that person knows Kaschan isn't in their school.

someone threw the number 5 at one point.

also, Omtose did you just imply that Galain' a first or a third?
since how else would his own schoolmates know him?

hmm, I didn't think of that. But if it is true that his team is voting with him then it must be.

you know, that COULD be seen as a "slip" indicating that you're in Galain's school and he's your master,

Doubt it, we were clearly discussing the train so it stands to reason that some votes knew Galain. But if he were my master, why would I bring it up in the first place?

that's th underlying concept of a "slip"--you SHOULDN'T bring it up, byt you do due to some foolishness...and then you pay the price

anyhow, all this is purely hypothetical. I mean, would a First or a Third REALLY spam so much, attracting such undue attention?

That's exactly what they want you to think? Why else would people be so out in the open? unless they are inno, which is why it works so well.

this is a merc game.
THERE ARE NO INNOS

I KNOW... I WAS USING A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION IN A GAME OF KILLERS/INNOS. LIKE GRIEF BEING FM over in modcraft. He was in the open and people thought him inno. Just saying the same applies here.

not quite, but i'll agree to disagree.

[Galayn Lord]

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 08:22 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

also, this is interesting

we know the actions are submitted from the top downt he food chain.
dot hey get resolved same way?

i.e, if a third challenged a third who challenged a Seventh, does the seventh die and then the third? or just the Third and the seventh lives due to challenger's death?

If a third challenged a third, then neither would die (same level and all that), the seventh would still die thought I think

meant if a first challenges a thrid who challenges a seventh--basically if one person kills and is killed same night, which action happens to them first?

Pretty sure all actions happen at the same time, so third kills sevent, and first kills third. First is only one left alive.

given that scenario, what's the maximum possible death toll per night?

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

so, 5 players left day 2? 3 of them are first

cool

[Hood's Path]

Holy spamfest Batman!

I just lost a post through a misclick, refresh, and there's more than a page of more spam! WTF people? Can we tone it down a bit?

Anyway, I'm still struggling with the mechanics and their possible implications. So, for example, if 3 Blackmasks independently targetted a 1st or a 3rd, they'd all die? This could get bloody in a hurry. But then, a 1st and 3rd team would get no result if they targetted a Blackmask? Weird. So really there's no need for a Blackmask to signal his leaders. It'd be a pointless risk. A 7th, however, might be very interested in signalling his masters. I'm not sure if there's anything suspicious in Ano's posts but if he is signalling, he's probably a 7th. Galain is bugging me though - proposing that Ano was signalling as one leader to another was not only silly, it suggests to me that he is just blowing smoke, not really trying to figure anything out, fomenting chaos. A moment's extra thought should have caught his glaring fatal error and his case would have made heaps more sense. If he was genuinely trying to be helpful, surely he would have taken that extra moment? Also, criticizing someone's ethic with regard to refreshing the thread before posting is ridiculous IMO. Not everybody is an OCD refresh button lunatic Also, some people take a bit of time to put their thoughts into words and you can't refresh in the middle of posting. So, counter-productive in general. If I had to vote now, it would be Galain but we have plenty of time. Failing that, one of the other spammers just for the sake of readability.

ETA: cross-posted with about page of stuff. Also, the rules say that the actions happen in order of rank if I'm interpreting it correctly. So, the 1sts act first, then the 3rds, etc.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 10 February 2009 - 04:38 PM

[Ampelas]

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

 Shadow, on Feb 10 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 08:22 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

also, this is interesting

we know the actions are submitted from the top downt he food chain.
dot hey get resolved same way?

i.e, if a third challenged a third who challenged a Seventh, does the seventh die and then the third? or just the Third and the seventh lives due to challenger's death?

If a third challenged a third, then neither would die (same level and all that), the seventh would still die thought I think

meant if a first challenges a thrid who challenges a seventh--basically if one person kills and is killed same night, which action happens to them first?

Pretty sure all actions happen at the same time, so third kills sevent, and first kills third. First is only one left alive.

given that scenario, what's the maximum possible death toll per night?

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

so, 5 players left day 2? 3 of them are first

cool

don't you mean 7? Because there will have been a lynch, hence 24-16-1=7

[Anomandaris]

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

[Fener]

I think you guys are going about this wrong. Have all the blackmasks challenge the firsts and die. All the sevenths challenge the firsts and die. All the thirds challenge the firsts and die. Two of the firsts challenge the other first and kill him.

2 people left standing.

[Galayn Lord]

@ Ano: no, because the 7tha nd the 3rds are counted twice
@ Amp, yes, it's 7... I was counting off 21.. which is still wrong, but yes..

[Omtose]

stepping out for a bit, got classes.

[Ampelas]

 Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Erm, isn't that 39 players in total?

Sorry let me make this clearer....
Role No. Actions Deaths
Blackmask 14 All target Blackmasks Max 7 Blackmasks die
7th 3 Target Blackmasks 3 Blackmasks die
3rd 3 Target 7ths 3 7ths die
1st 3 Target 3rds 3 3rds die

This is assuming a blackmask is lynched, to get maximum deaths

[Galayn Lord]

so, everyoen should cahllenge Kaschan, then?

[Ampelas]

 Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

I think you guys are going about this wrong. Have all the blackmasks challenge the firsts and die. All the sevenths challenge the firsts and die. All the thirds challenge the firsts and die. Two of the firsts challenge the other first and kill him.

2 people left standing.

Fener does have a point there.... so would that be a draw then I guess?

[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Feb 10 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

14 blackmasks can kill 7 other blackmasks, 3 7ths kill 3 blackmasks, 3 3rds kill 3 7ths, 3 1sts kill 3 3rds, so 16, but only works if the one lynched is a blackmask

Not entirely correc, first and third will probably coordinate their attacks together, to make sure if they hit a first, he dies. And above someone said(HP?) if a 1st and 3rd hit a blackmask he doesn't die? How did you come to that conclusion?