[Korlat]

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

He's a noob and gave away his leader its a slip up and it happens. He's tried to cover it up but at the end of the day thats how it reads.

If you say so, old chap

Glad to see you at least contributing.

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 04:32 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Wow. Some people just don't agree with some cases.

Tell that to Tennes & cie

What, tell them to back off like you did earlier to korlat?

Considering im not their master, I don't know why they'd listen.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Kaschan, your case on me, as Telas points out, is all stuff you yourself do.

My "gaining attention to find out my team" well, anyone with a case that gets a little followed could be accused of exactly the same.

I started to raise hell when I was at L-9. It was not a game strategy, but a defensive position, that became a case once I figured out what the hell happened for me to get that amount of crap out of so little.

You started to raise hell from the start, and here's the sequence:

1) I fall in your trap and vote you
2) You realize I'm not in your team and vote me
3) Korlat fall in your trap and vote you
4) Ocean of shit on our poor heads from you, Tennes, and a couple others.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 February 2009 - 01:35 PM

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Gamelon you old blow hard, I think you'll find that I haven't been defending Kaschan directly. I just prefer the case on Galain*. I did defend Korlat at one point though.

This isn't some binary equation where you're either on Team Kaschan or Team Galain. I think you'll find that most people voting either way would be happy to switch if necessary to get a lynch, as they are the two best candidates.

*This may be wrong. My memory is a little hazy at the moment.

You haven't mentioned the Kaschan case at all in fact. Every post has been pointed at why Galain is wrong or why he's a leader etc. I think its a clear sign that you are deflecting from Kaschan, you haven't even considered the Kaschan case. Not in a single post have you said its a poor case, a weak case, or your undecided and leaning towards Galain. You haven't made any attempt to weigh up the two cases at all.

And why is that? Because your protecting him and you know he's your leader.

Did you ever figure out why I say Galain knows Korlat and I are not in his team?

I responded to this.
I don't KNOW.
In fact, I could be being very stupid just now.
But i'm fairly sure, and I do KNOW you're not my leader. Since I think you're someones(namely korlats, for one) leader, then I therefore think you're not on my team.
Simple.

I'm not talking you, but to Gamelon who said to me:

"You say that Galain is a leader, but it makes no sense. If he was, how would he know to chose you and Korlat for the lynch?"

That's a pretty lame dismissal of my case, don't you think?

[Korlat]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

Well Korlat, considering that what made you change your vote was "You say lynch both, I say start with galain" then I say, start with kaschan.
If you don't care, why switch at all.

Because kaschan was irritating the shit out if me....nag nag nag...to change my vote.
So i changed it to shut him up and discuss other things.

[Gamelon]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Did you ever figure out why I say Galain knows Korlat and I are not in his team?

I thought it was because Galain voted you and Korlat made a slip and mentioned you were his leader and Galain realised that none of his leaders names is Kaschan?

Why whats your reason?

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:35 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Kaschan, your case on me, as Telas points out, is all stuff you yourself do.

My "gaining attention to find out my team" well, anyone with a case that gets a little followed could be accused of exactly the same.

I started to raise hell when I was at L-9. It was not a game strategy, but a defensive position, that became a case once I figured out what the hell happened for me to get that amount of crap out of so little.

You started to raise hell from the start, and here's the sequence:

1) I fall in your trap and vote you- Your vote on me was for spam, which I read as a joke. Considering that, were I a master, you could be signalling me with a joke vote, why would I go on to attack you.
2) You realize I'm not in your team and vote me- Why would I realise this from a joke vote?
3) Korlat fall in your trap and vote you- No, korlat says he knows im not on his team, after I attack you.
4) Ocean of shit on our poor heads from you, Tennes, and a couple others.- Thats called people agreeing.

You started to raise hell at L-9.
Convenient then that korlat would remove vote then when you ask him.

This post has been edited by Galain: 11 February 2009 - 01:40 PM

[Korlat]

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Gamelon you old blow hard, I think you'll find that I haven't been defending Kaschan directly. I just prefer the case on Galain*. I did defend Korlat at one point though.

This isn't some binary equation where you're either on Team Kaschan or Team Galain. I think you'll find that most people voting either way would be happy to switch if necessary to get a lynch, as they are the two best candidates.

*This may be wrong. My memory is a little hazy at the moment.

You haven't mentioned the Kaschan case at all in fact. Every post has been pointed at why Galain is wrong or why he's a leader etc. I think its a clear sign that you are deflecting from Kaschan, you haven't even considered the Kaschan case. Not in a single post have you said its a poor case, a weak case, or your undecided and leaning towards Galain. You haven't made any attempt to weigh up the two cases at all.

And why is that? Because your protecting him and you know he's your leader.

What do you think about lynching them both?...i mean there are two decent arguments...

[Kaschan]

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Did you ever figure out why I say Galain knows Korlat and I are not in his team?

I thought it was because Galain voted you and Korlat made a slip and mentioned you were his leader and Galain realised that none of his leaders names is Kaschan?

Why whats your reason?

No, because if Galain is a leader, he would know that I wouldn't be in his team once I voted him. Same for Korlat.

The "case" you repeat with conviction is just an excuse, it needs the assumption that Korlat is stupid, but like I said take it with him.

[Galain]

Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

Well Korlat, considering that what made you change your vote was "You say lynch both, I say start with galain" then I say, start with kaschan.
If you don't care, why switch at all.

Because kaschan was irritating the shit out if me....nag nag nag...to change my vote.
So i changed it to shut him up and discuss other things.

Middle of the road much?

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Did you ever figure out why I say Galain knows Korlat and I are not in his team?

I thought it was because Galain voted you and Korlat made a slip and mentioned you were his leader and Galain realised that none of his leaders names is Kaschan?

Why whats your reason?

No, because if Galain is a leader, he would know that I wouldn't be in his team once I voted him. Same for Korlat.

The "case" you repeat with conviction is just an excuse, it needs the assumption that Korlat is stupid, but like I said take it with him.

This makes no sense.
Your original vote was a joke, which could well be signalling, were I a leader.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

You started to raise hell at L-9.
Convenient then that korlat would remove vote then when you ask him.

FFS, your asking Korlat to vote me on the case that he's my retarded symp. Honestly, you find it surprising he would rather vote for a case that might actually be right from his point of view?

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

This makes no sense.
Your original vote was a joke, which could well be signalling, were I a leader.

Then how come a few minutes after you were lecturing Korlat on how he knew he was not in your team, this being a merc game and all?

[Galain]

Unlike your case that i'm a retarded 1st?

And if he "didn't give a shit" why not? he voted you earlier.

My point being that the vote was not carried through, regardless that he didn't give a shit. I think he did give a shit, removing it at a time where it would balance the trains a lot more closely, and could de-rail.

His original vote was very distancy.

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

This makes no sense.
Your original vote was a joke, which could well be signalling, were I a leader.

Then how come a few minutes after you were lecturing Korlat on how he knew he was not in your team, this being a merc game and all?

Because of what he said at the time.
Have you even read my case?

[Korlat]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

Well Korlat, considering that what made you change your vote was "You say lynch both, I say start with galain" then I say, start with kaschan.
If you don't care, why switch at all.

Because kaschan was irritating the shit out if me....nag nag nag...to change my vote.
So i changed it to shut him up and discuss other things.

Middle of the road much?

What are you insinuating?
If you mean i am happy to vote either of you then...yes...middle of the road VERY much.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

Unlike your case that i'm a retarded 1st?

If you're a 1st like I think you are, you did your job well. Never said you played badly.

It's the ones that knew they could lynch me safely after I voted for you and started throwing the SYMP! accusations 6-7 hours into the game that blew it IMO. Too much enthusiasm there, on the spot I was WTF? but now I might know why.

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

You started to raise hell at L-9.
Convenient then that korlat would remove vote then when you ask him.

FFS, your asking Korlat to vote me on the case that he's my retarded symp. Honestly, you find it surprising he would rather vote for a case that might actually be right from his point of view?

And You keeps calling ME stupid

[Hood's Path]

Tennes, on Feb 11 2009, 07:26 AM, said:

Hood's Path says:

Hood's Path, on Feb 11 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

OK, just returned from a walk and here's what I've been thinking about. We have two blatant BM claims - one from Korlat and one from Rashan.

But is missing a similar claim from Kaschan (althought they could be crossposted):

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

I would not be pushing his lynch if I didn't think he was indeed a leader. If I'm wrong, I accept it. Worst case, he's on my team, but unless he's the 7th, it comes out to the same for the team. I'm not a selfish player, I wouldn't jeopardize anything for my team just for the sake of staying alive, since I would not be a big loss for my team.

Kaschan is claiming not to be the 7th here, and has also claimed not to be the 1st or 3rd. So is claiming BM.

So while you're talking about the merits or otherwise of claiming BM (and I don't consider it to be a tell either way, but you do), what do you think of Kaschan's claim?

It's not the same thing at all. No ranked player is motivated to reveal, that is claim truthfully, since the communicating leaders of the other factions would know exactly how to take him out and could do so with little risk. So everybody naturally denies or at least discourages the notion that they are ranked. Openly claiming to be a BM specifically is a different thing since it makes you a target for other BMs if you are believed. A little uncertainty is a good thing. Surely we have all been trying to figure out what other players' ranks might be so that we can decide whether or not to attempt a NK and who to target if yes. For example, I think Galain and Korlat are BM's and that there are enough others who think the same way that I could probably get away with going for one of them tonight. Neither of them are my leaders so I'm content. Kaschan and certainly Rashan I'm doubtful about and neither of them are my leaders so I'd rather see them lynched. If I'm dead in the morning at least you have something to go on

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

This makes no sense.
Your original vote was a joke, which could well be signalling, were I a leader.

Then how come a few minutes after you were lecturing Korlat on how he knew he was not in your team, this being a merc game and all?

Because of what he said at the time.
Have you even read my case?

So as a leader you would have taken my vote for you as a joke/signal.

Your vote for me was one too, but somehow misinterpreted by Korlat as being serious, resulting in a vote for you that was serious.

And from this interpretation resulted the case on my that highlighted all my symps who didn't jump in readily enough?