[Omtose]

Meh. I don't really like the Serc case, as I said before, but Thyr, you're sure throwing out a good amount of defense for the absent Serc, who did a more than decent job himself. I'm starting to wonder why... like me, you don't like the Serc case. Fair enough.

But you too must see that it's better to have a lynch than no lynch at all - and with 2 hours or so left, a massive switch to D'riss would be.... hmmm, hard to pull off - but it could frustrate having any lynch at all. Not to mention, it would be totally weird. Cause the way I see it, people would mostly do it to pleasure you or keep Serc alive. Which means that the train was on a suspicious person, in the first place.

I'll check back in 30 or so, see what way to vote, because I want a lynch, and if nothing, the Serc train will provide a ton of info.

[Thyrllan]

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

Oh, and for me, serc was not ever the target. I haven't ever been on that train.
I dont intend to be on that train.
I think that train is stupid. I would prefer to go for, to de-rail onto if thats how you wish to see it, someone I think is more likely to be scum.
Perhaps I will be wrong. Perhaps not.

[Silanah]

Hello, just catching up
Sorry for my low posting over this day... I think this might be my 5th post :S
Had quite a few RL issues I had to deal with so I will be able to post alot more tomorrow

[Thyrllan]

Omtose, on Jan 20 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Meh. I don't really like the Serc case, as I said before, but Thyr, you're sure throwing out a good amount of defense for the absent Serc, who did a more than decent job himself. I'm starting to wonder why... like me, you don't like the Serc case. Fair enough.

But you too must see that it's better to have a lynch than no lynch at all - and with 2 hours or so left, a massive switch to D'riss would be.... hmmm, hard to pull off - but it could frustrate having any lynch at all. Not to mention, it would be totally weird. Cause the way I see it, people would mostly do it to pleasure you or keep Serc alive. Which means that the train was on a suspicious person, in the first place.

I'll check back in 30 or so, see what way to vote, because I want a lynch, and if nothing, the Serc train will provide a ton of info.

The only reason I would vote serc is to get a lynch. Because a lynch beats none.
Why am I defending him? Because I think he's innocent.
If he had done a decent job himself, why is he getting piled on? Now that is more of a question.

A massive switch to D'riss, imo, beats a serc lynch, because I think he's more likely scum.

[Serc]

I don't call getting three votes for someone a massive swing, Rashan, especially as one of those votes is from me myself, another is from someone who, like me and a few others, finds the argument against me flimsy and not really relevant, and the last has come over to our way of thinking after reading my defense. In fact, if you think its strange for people to change their minds after a defense and another case has been posted...

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

Perhaps its something to do with, upon looking, there are cases people find better than the one on serc.

I would be willing to vote either HP or D'riss.

I think the case isn't good, so would prefer to vote for someone else, and thats curious?

And WTF?
You're complaining about a speedy swing, after hopping onto a train which was going very fast, which you admit, and defend?

Contradiction much?

Do you honestly think 12 people will magically hop on a Driss or HP train with an hour left in the day? No, but what will happen probably, is that the train will have been derailed and we will have wasted day 1. I'm not defending a speedy lynch train on Serc, I am saying its the best day 1 case we had and IMO still have, and now is the only possibility to get a lynch at all, but to let the lynch target derail his own train, not by his defense but by deflecting onto someone NOT around to defend themselves (after all those who waited on serc to post a defense) is in fact what concerns me. You want to look into Driss and HP cool, but don't waste the only possible day 1 lynch. Look into it day 2.

[Thyrllan]

And I will be going momentarily.
Lots of people said they'll be around for deadline.
I expect serc will be lynched.
I do not think he should be, but w/e.

[Thyrllan]

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

Perhaps its something to do with, upon looking, there are cases people find better than the one on serc.

I would be willing to vote either HP or D'riss.

I think the case isn't good, so would prefer to vote for someone else, and thats curious?

And WTF?
You're complaining about a speedy swing, after hopping onto a train which was going very fast, which you admit, and defend?

Contradiction much?

Do you honestly think 12 people will magically hop on a Driss or HP train with an hour left in the day? No, but what will happen probably, is that the train will have been derailed and we will have wasted day 1. I'm not defending a speedy lynch train on Serc, I am saying its the best day 1 case we had and IMO still have, and now is the only possibility to get a lynch at all, but to let the lynch target derail his own train, not by his defense but by deflecting onto someone NOT around to defend themselves (after all those who waited on serc to post a defense) is in fact what concerns me. You want to look into Driss and HP cool, but don't waste the only possible day 1 lynch. Look into it day 2.

How many votes did serc gain, as if by magic, in a short period of time.
A lot.

[Thyrllan]

Night.

[Rashan]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I don't call getting three votes for someone a massive swing, Rashan, especially as one of those votes is from me myself, another is from someone who, like me and a few others, finds the argument against me flimsy and not really relevant, and the last has come over to our way of thinking after reading my defense. In fact, if you think its strange for people to change their minds after a defense and another case has been posted...

Not massive swing, but train derailment and possible no lynch, just too suspicious, since you didn't even present the Driss case, it was presented for you.

[Omtose]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 20 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Meh. I don't really like the Serc case, as I said before, but Thyr, you're sure throwing out a good amount of defense for the absent Serc, who did a more than decent job himself. I'm starting to wonder why... like me, you don't like the Serc case. Fair enough.

But you too must see that it's better to have a lynch than no lynch at all - and with 2 hours or so left, a massive switch to D'riss would be.... hmmm, hard to pull off - but it could frustrate having any lynch at all. Not to mention, it would be totally weird. Cause the way I see it, people would mostly do it to pleasure you or keep Serc alive. Which means that the train was on a suspicious person, in the first place.

I'll check back in 30 or so, see what way to vote, because I want a lynch, and if nothing, the Serc train will provide a ton of info.

The only reason I would vote serc is to get a lynch. Because a lynch beats none.
Why am I defending him? Because I think he's innocent.
If he had done a decent job himself, why is he getting piled on? Now that is more of a question.

A massive switch to D'riss, imo, beats a serc lynch, because I think he's more likely scum.

Well... I just don't see it. You offer two alternatives to be likelier scum than Serc, who I, as said, don't really have pegged as scum at all, but whom I'm willing to turn into a sacrificial lamb.

Yet, you here throw a whole lot of weight behind D'riss or HP - and you know what... if one of them comes up inno, you will be the next to die, the way you're currently playing. You must know that too, and yet you're awfully certain, far more than I've ever been on a day one. I really don't get that - unless you judge it a worthy investment cause Serc definately is worth protecting that much.

That screams symp to me.

[Serc]

The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

How many votes did serc gain, as if by magic, in a short period of time.
A lot.

9 votes in 30 hours is alot different than 3 votes on Driss in 15 minutes, and that mght be enough to kee the lynch from happening at all. Just saying, way too suspicious.

[Serc]

Even if they keep the lynch from happening, I will quite possibly be vigged or lynched tomorrow, Rashan, and thats just the chances from my own team.

[Omtose]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:01 PM, said:

The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.

That's a fairly good point, aye. However, a few changing to D'riss/ voting D'riss might be all that's needed to just keep you alive.

EDIT: crosspost with the above post by Serc.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 20 January 2009 - 10:05 PM

[Serc]

There's 7 members watching this now, more than enough to get me lynched.

[Omtose]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

There's 7 members watching this now, more than enough to get me lynched.

Fatalistic much, aren't we?

[Serc]

Hugely fatalistic, because I've been in this position before. Only ever when I'm inno, because people seem to find being unsure, tossing around opinions, and debating mechanics scummy.

[Omtose]

Well, you alienate half of the regulars already by wanting to discuss mechanics

[Korlat]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.

Oh, I'm here, but I've casted a vote and I'm going to stick to it. Even moreso now than before - Thyrllan is heavily Symping you. If you come up Inno, he and Liosan will be top targets. And I say Thyrllan will be, because he's being a bit too obvious a Symp, and it might be an attempt to make you look like a scum leader when you're really an Inno.