[Serc]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

Has no one anything to say, out of curiosity?I hate posting my defences and having no one comment on them.

What he said, except switch defence for case.

Well, you might find this a little foolish of me, but I've known who HP is since their first post, and they're a n00b, and they are playing as I expected, so I'm giving them the benefit of a doubt.
I'll be pissed if theyre scum though.

[Thyrllan]

Meta is no reason, imo.
And im not really gonna trust someone else's word on it, or use it.
Noobs are more likely to slip.
He contradicted himself. So, why would anyone, even a noob, do so? One minute they agree, one minute they dont.
Contradiction is something very scummy, and i'd be willing to vote d'riss for it, though i prefer HP.

[Galain]

OK I need to sleep. I've been losing enthusiasm for the Serc case almost since I voted. Is there an alternative lynch with any substantiation behind it or can I go sleep without voting?

[Thyrllan]

D'riss or HP.
Take your pick.
A few people are willing to vote them.

[Serc]

Well, the reason Im more inclined to vote D'riss is because I can't get a hang on who he is, or his style of play. It seems to me like its deliberate though, the way he's doing things. At least HP removed the vote on me, which is less scummy than disappearing, and is evident of a n00b who's not quite got the hang of things yet.

[Kaschan]

Thyrllan, you seem very intent on diverting attention away from Serc. D'riss or HP, you don't care which.

[Thyrllan]

No, I do care.
I'd prefer HP, as stated a few posts previous, but am willing to vote either.

And yes, as ive also previously stated, im against the serc lynch.

[Shadow]

I didn't alt guess HP. but after I looked at the Serc train I did a read on HP. I got the same feeling as kind of a new player. But you make a good point. why contradict? that makes no sense.

I am out for 1.5 hrs but should be back in time for the deadline.

[Rashan]

Shadow, on Jan 20 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 07:44 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I read your case and I guess its the best we have, unless a shot in the dark lynch comes up. I agree that the train is large, but its pretty late in the day and Serc is a reasonable target. I am going to add my vote since I won't be around at all.

Vote Serc

Back when i get the chance.

This is the second most suspicious. We still have 6-7 hours at this point with 14 players able to vote. I guess if you want a lynch and won't be around.... but if Galain hadn't removed he would be sitting at L-3. there is a lot of time left and people have said they will be around to lynch .


So to me the HP, Meanas and Rashan votes seem the most suspicious. If we do get a serc lynch and he CF's inno I would start there as people to look at

Just want to address this while I am catching up, I placed him at L-3, with several people "concerned" about the train and many claiming to want votes removed. I saw it this way, if 3 people hop on and lynch him before the deadline, fine, as that and only that is how we get info, based on the lynch target CF and the lynch train. If others, remove their votes as asked, fine, but I placed my vote and will be judged accordingly, hell its the ones who don't vote at all and are afraid to commit that strike me as scum-like. Anyway, I don't see how its that suspicious, but anyone on the train will be suspicious anyway. I knew that before I placed my vote. I voted anyway, Thats my reasoning .Now back to catching up, more in a minute.

[Galain]

Good night all.

I've decided to plump for D'riss.

remove vote

vote D'riss

1 part scummy impression I got from him
1 part mediocre contribution
1 part jumping on lynch trains
1 part Galain needing sleep

[Thyrllan]

Well, thats 2 on d'riss, and people seem less willing on HP.
As I said earlier, im willing to lynch either.

remove vote, vote D'riss

I find contradiction very scummy, and he seems to be trying to avoid attention.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on Jan 20 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

I agree Shadow, those votes do stand out, especially Rashan's since his came after people started to express a bit of worry regarding the speed of the train. Then again, he also states that he wont be around. Voting before you leave isnt scummy in and of itself, but was it really necessary at that point?

Yes, I believe it was necassary, if no one else ws on and you needed that vote to get the lynch, I wanted it to be there. Note, there was concern over the speed of the train, but there wasn't any defense other than that, and no other cases at that point. Sorry, I'll wait to finish before posting again, just want to make sure we are clear here. And up until this post, I see no reason to remove the vote. Back in a minute.

[Serc]

Well, I know HP outside of the Mafia board, hence my alt-guessing at work.

[Serc]

Now, off for a shower. brb.

[Rashan]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

What actually worries me is the possibility that Lisoan, while looking scummy, esp giving an excuse for not removing his vote come Day's End, may just be someone trying to make a Day One case. As said before, for a Day One case where nothing has happened during the Day, it's not actually bad, but for it to garner THAT many votes? Can't be right.

I lied, I really don't like this post. I have seen it mentioned several times that the speed was a question, Serc here, now says that the case (which he just defended against) shouldn't have garnered so many votes. It was the ONLY case that had een a little merit at that time, and 7 hours wasn't much time left in a 36 hour day. Seems like a weak attempt at pointing attention away from himself. By the way in response to your defense, it was a valid point. In my fast read, I saw several times where Liosan agreed with your post, however, trying to get the witch to use their power day one, and discussing that is a massive no-no. Its like trying to get a finder to reveal who they investigated night 1. Or get a vig to waste his kill night 1. So yes, That case day 1 was about as good as it gets.

[Anomandaris]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

Has no one anything to say, out of curiosity?I hate posting my defences and having no one comment on them.

What he said, except switch defence for case.

Well, I'll comment on it then. The change of heart about the Witch BP is the major thing there - I'm not quite clear on the timings - was there any extra discussion of it between his last post of being against its use and his epiphany?

The case has some merit, but overall I'm inclined to stick with Serc - I find the evidence against him more substantial and I think the information we'll get from the lynch slightly more useful. It's good to see other options on the table though !

[Thyrllan]

However, people agreed with him.
So, if they can also make the mistake of agreeing that its a good idea, serc cant make the mistake of thinking it was?

I dont like the serc case.
And I dont think trying to get witch to use is as bad as finder reveal. Its suspect, but not that bad. You can see why he wanted it kinda, as it could mean an early inno advantage.

Anyhow, im not saying serc is utterly unsuspicious. Just I dont like the case much, and would prefer someone else.

[Rashan]

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

[Serc]

Asking the witch to use their power is NOT like getting a finder to reveal. The witch does not reveal who she is, and her power is only a one shot, in any case.
Sorry, I had to respond to that.

[Thyrllan]

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

Perhaps its something to do with, upon looking, there are cases people find better than the one on serc.

I would be willing to vote either HP or D'riss.

I think the case isn't good, so would prefer to vote for someone else, and thats curious?

And WTF?
You're complaining about a speedy swing, after hopping onto a train which was going very fast, which you admit, and defend?

Contradiction much?