[Korlat]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

I was being analytical.

That's neither scummy nor Inno behavior - that's my usual style.

People who don't think out contingencies in advance shouldn't be playing this game.

[Kaschan]

Ok, Mockra hasn't really got involved in anything too heavily. He posted a lot of shite in that who Iliad bit, which made reading up on him fairly painful.

Here are his first two posts coming back from where people have been labelling him as symp.

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 12:57 PM, said:

hey all
popping in briefly before class

w00t, a psycho's dead!
good job, necros,

people seem to think I was symping Emu?
, I was commenting on Thyr's and Kesso's playstyle--Thyr for vote hopping, and Kesso for accusing someone based off 2 posts.
lol, I'd defend anyone that was accused on such flimsy ground, not just Emu, since I don't believe in a day 1 case based off 2 posts

anyhow, gotta run, i'm afraid I won't be on much today, because classes are a bitch.

Eager to laugh at the ridiculous notion of him being a symp.

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

hey all
back from class, got bout 40 min before an appointment then gotta do some data collecting with a good-looking lab partner,

people seem to look at me as scum of the psych symp variety.
can't say much about that, and my inno CF won't convince anyone anyhow. I can only add that in my ever so humble opinion, if you think i'm a symp you should either look at who else I "symped" on day 1, or, better yet, focus on looking for necros, since they are, as the late Serc kept reminding us, the bigger threat.

also, I may be a bit dense (it IS morning, and i've slept a total of 4 hours last night), but why do we keep bringing up Serc as a possible creature when we are told by the mods that Creature CFs undead?

Once again, eager with the lolling smilie, which he doesn't use much of.

Fuck, there's really not much to go on. Mockra playing very cautiously?

[Omtose]

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

I was being analytical.

That's neither scummy nor Inno behavior - that's my usual style.

People who don't think out contingencies in advance shouldn't be playing this game.

Oooh, on a high horse?

Really now... you play the people behind the alts, just like in poker, and you never know who they might be (well, sometimes, you do ), or what they might do.
Mafia is not just deduction and playing outside of the book is necessary... especially since there's a ton of people outside of the time frame in which one might manipulate. I personally prefer to not get tunnel-visioned or partly blinded by making grand schemes, thank you very much, but maybe I should head to the tic-tac-toe section of the forum?

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

I was being analytical.

That's neither scummy nor Inno behavior - that's my usual style.

People who don't think out contingencies in advance shouldn't be playing this game.

Yeah, but you've got to be wary of people trying to steer thought processes. If we're being analytical, then I have to say I thought your idea that Liosan should become an obvious suspect today (if Serc came back inno) as optimistic to say the least. No way does scum wade into a 2-post mammoth case like that on day 1, especially since we often lynch the first person to make a case on day 1. I'm not saying Liosan is PI, just that you can't lend to much to analysis in this game, as you don't have all the facts, and there's more than one person out there actively trying to feed you lies.

Hence my thing about sheep-herding and being wary.

[Korlat]

Omtose, on Jan 21 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

I was being analytical.

That's neither scummy nor Inno behavior - that's my usual style.

People who don't think out contingencies in advance shouldn't be playing this game.

Oooh, on a high horse?

Really now... you play the people behind the alts, just like in poker, and you never know who they might be (well, sometimes, you do ), or what they might do.
Mafia is not just deduction and playing outside of the book is necessary... especially since there's a ton of people outside of the time frame in which one might manipulate. I personally prefer to not get tunnel-visioned or partly blinded by making grand schemes, thank you very much, but maybe I should head to the tic-tac-toe section of the forum?

PONG might be a better bet ...

But, seriously, mapping out options in advance of the result of a lynch not only isn't scummy, it's SOP.
It happens before almost every lynch, where people are saying "OK, if he turns up scum, here's who we're going after next." Or "If he turns up Inno, here's who went after him hardest."

Though, usually, not so much early in the game as later, when definitive conclusions are easier to draw.

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:38 AM, said:

Yeah, but you've got to be wary of people trying to steer thought processes. If we're being analytical, then I have to say I thought your idea that Liosan should become an obvious suspect today (if Serc came back inno) as optimistic to say the least. No way does scum wade into a 2-post mammoth case like that on day 1, especially since we often lynch the first person to make a case on day 1. I'm not saying Liosan is PI, just that you can't lend to much to analysis in this game, as you don't have all the facts, and there's more than one person out there actively trying to feed you lies.

Hence my thing about sheep-herding and being wary.

Actually, I very much agree with this. It would have been more appropriate for me to only speak for myself, especially so early in such a large game, when opinions are going to vary wildly ... and the scum certainly have their own agenda.

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

such a large game, when opinions are going to vary wildly

Nah, I don't think any of us are likely to have differences of opinion. Right Ruse? Thyrllan?

[Rashan]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

such a large game, when opinions are going to vary wildly

Nah, I don't think any of us are likely to have differences of opinion. Right Ruse? Thyrllan?

I disagree with this...

On a serious note, I really am not sure who to go for. Tennes and GL are my top 2, but this is merely due to their lack of contributions. Nothing really to look at or build a case on. If I was going on gut feelings alone, I would probably vote for Ruse. But as far as building a case on any of them, well like I said, they really haven't done anything that screams scum. I am up in the air about the whole thing.

[Kaschan]

Sigh. We always say we're going to lynch the low posters one day, and we never do. Occasionally that bites us in the ass, because the scum are laying low.

But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.

So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.

[Rashan]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

Sigh. We always say we're going to lynch the low posters one day, and we never do. Occasionally that bites us in the ass, because the scum are laying low.

But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.

So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.

Yeah, its really a cop out, but I personally don't see anyone doing anything truly lynch worthy. Which is what makes me nervous. Either I am getting really bad at looking for clues and slips, or everyone is playing on a higher level than they use to. Which says alot, because of the noobs in this game. And for them I say, good job. I haven't picked out a noob yet in this game.

[Kaschan]

Woah woah, don't give up yet, lol. We're only about 7 hours into day 2, and you're crying because nobody has jumped out and hit you over the head with their "I AM SCUM" sign.

[Rashan]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

Woah woah, don't give up yet, lol. We're only about 7 hours into day 2, and you're crying because nobody has jumped out and hit you over the head with their "I AM SCUM" sign.

Not really, I am really applauding at the level of playing. I remember my first game, and everyone was pointing fingers at everyone and being sheep, led around by the killers. Now it seems the killers have to play more and more like innos, and the innos don't have to be afraid of being called symp (at least as much as they use to). Just bragging on everyone here for taking their play styles up a notch. Not being able to find the noobs really pisses me off a bit though. Hell, it use to be simple (Vote for night etc.) lol.

[Rashan]

And if I die tonight, I just want everyone to know that. HA!

[Hood's Path]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Sigh. We always say we're going to lynch the low posters one day, and we never do. Occasionally that bites us in the ass, because the scum are laying low.

But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.

So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.

Going for the low posters is definitely not a sure bet. If you take a look at Emurlan he had a fairly high post count, but most of them had to do with the Iliad discussion. He had almost nothing to say about the actual game itself and he turns out to be a psychopath.

[Thyrllan]

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

such a large game, when opinions are going to vary wildly

Nah, I don't think any of us are likely to have differences of opinion. Right Ruse? Thyrllan?

Me and ruse haven't ever had a difference of opinion.
I dont know what you're talking about

[Shadow]

Wow- caught up I now hate the Illiad, Thyr and Ruse

Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.

The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.

@HP who are some of your suspects. why?

Tennes and GL, and Silanah are pretty worthless at this point. I get a bored RI vibe from Tennes and Sil. RI is a role people! Make waves, throw around your opinion! Your job is to get killed instead of the roled inno's. Have fun with it. I know I do. GL seems to make a bit of an attempt to play today but hasn't said much. in fact

vote Gaylan Lord

Until he starts contributing more. We really don't want to start taking players like this to end game. They are a mystery and unknown that really hurt the team, or they are killers (see silencer/korlat ). I feel its better to lynch them now when we have a numbers advantage, rather than vote off the vocal players who at least bring rope to hang themselves with later down the line.

@GL who are your suspects. Why?

Someone brought up Galain. I am going to reread him. His early jump onto Serc, followed by the removal could be a distancing move that backfired as the train picked up steam. I can't recall lif he ended up revoting, but I don't think so.

Kasch- starting to play more, but seems to be a bit wishy washy- I'll try to do a reread today if I have time.

Korlat has me stumped. I really don't see the case on him. I also, plan for contingencies when lynches happen. If X happens I will do Y. If Z happens I will do JA. I'm not closing the door on it, but at this point I don't think I would support a Korlat lynch. Make of that what you will.

Finally- I think we have to assume there is a recruit running around. With this many ppl we have to assume 2-3 Psychos and with only 1 dead, it's probable. I'd like to think the vig/vigs wouldn't have used their shot night 1... but people get paraniod they will get NK'd and do crazy things.

Ok, gonna reread Galain and Kasch.

EDIT Spelling

This post has been edited by Shadow: 21 January 2009 - 07:25 PM

[Rashan]

Also, there are alot of people on, but no one is talking. And Tira, you have been reading about 4 games now that I have noticed, when are you going to hop in here and play? By the way, when you read this, don't forget to ask Path-Shaper to give you the password for Spoiler Heaven so you can see whats really happening.

[Kaschan]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:16 PM, said:

Not being able to find the noobs really pisses me off a bit though.

You really shouldn't worry about it. What happens if you find them? Will you try and lynch them?

Being a newbie doesn't mean anything. I think I've spotted people from other boards, does that mean they're newbs? Should I try and vote them off?

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

And if I die tonight, I just want everyone to know that. HA!

It's funny how these things go. About 15 games back, that was probably a legitimate thing to say. In 15 games time, when there are a different bunch of players around, it might be legitimate once again.

But in mafia games X to Y, that shit's gonna get you lynched It's all about fads, I guess.

Stop Strawmanning!

eta. cross post

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 21 January 2009 - 07:26 PM

[Ampelas]

Just started playing DeadSpace. Fucking. Cool. Game. Anyway, back to the game. Korlat's defense is reasonable, he moves down my list a little. Though I do have to agree that contingencies have been used by killers to sway innos in the past (DiBs in the ambergris game for example) so we shouldnt use them too heavily, specially this early in the game.
Also, I think low-content is more important than low posts (age old discussion, I know). Emur had a lot of posts, but didnt say all that much, like HP said, most of it was Iliad related spam.
And thanks Rashan, play does seem to be getting better. I was impressed with how quickly this game got serious.

[Kaschan]

Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

I get a bored RI vibe from Tennes and Sil

Jesus, I completely forgot Silanah was playing.