[Fener]

@Korlat, I haven't seen much of Galain's posting to seem suspicious, care to elaborate?

[Anomandaris]

Well, that's convenient, I was just about to go after you Korlat. I looked back over your posts after Ampelas pointed out your stuff about targetting during the night...figured I'd repost them so everyone can see:

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Right, I might or might not be lynched yet, but I'd like my Train to be examined well.
Because, Korlat, no one is that fucking obvious.

Actually, yeah, sometimes they are. Your statement that "things are moving too fast for my taste" regarding a lynch train on you, for example. And if you're a Killer with noob Symps, well ... my condolences.

And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.

Oh, I'm here, but I've casted a vote and I'm going to stick to it. Even moreso now than before - Thyrllan is heavily Symping you. If you come up Inno, he and Liosan will be top targets. And I say Thyrllan will be, because he's being a bit too obvious a Symp, and it might be an attempt to make you look like a scum leader when you're really an Inno.

Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.

So, without further ado,

Vote Korlat

[Korlat]

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.

So, without further ado,

Vote Korlat

Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.

Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.

Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.

Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.

This post has been edited by Korlat: 21 January 2009 - 05:36 PM

[D'riss]

That's me done for the day and as I couldn't get the stoopid phone working last night, I will see you all again tomorrow.

PS Thanks to whoever told me that post 720 was where I needed to go if I had no interest in the Iliad. Saved me hours this morning

[Fener]

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.

So, without further ado,

Vote Korlat

Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.

Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.

Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.

Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.

This is Mafia, nothing can ever really be taken at face value. Just for that, I'm

Voting Korlat

Wow, a rhyme.

[Anomandaris]

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.

So, without further ado,

Vote Korlat

Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.

Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.

Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.

Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.

Like I said - I'm hesitant to take it at face value because of the unusual way that it was written. You do not have control over everyone's actions, so why say that everyone will be going after Liosan and Thyrllan today? Certainly, comment on your own priorities for the coming day, but making such assumptions about other people's suspicions smacks of manipulation. I don't like manipulation.

[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.

So, without further ado,

Vote Korlat

Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.

Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.

Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.

Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.

Like I said - I'm hesitant to take it at face value because of the unusual way that it was written. You do not have control over everyone's actions, so why say that everyone will be going after Liosan and Thyrllan today? Certainly, comment on your own priorities for the coming day, but making such assumptions about other people's suspicions smacks of manipulation. I don't like manipulation.

There's another place I remember Korlat using the word 'bullseye', but I cant find it. That isnt really much of a defense, but it's not much of a case either. I'm not gonna place a vote now, since it's still early in the day, and I'd like to look at a couple more people, but so far this is the only thing that has pinged my cultdar in any way.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, 29.5 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

1 vote Galain (Korlat)
1 vote Tennes (Mockra)
2 votes Korlat (Anomandaris, Fener)


16 have not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galain, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 05:52 PM, said:

There's another place I remember Korlat using the word 'bullseye', but I cant find it. That isnt really much of a defense, but it's not much of a case either. I'm not gonna place a vote now, since it's still early in the day, and I'd like to look at a couple more people, but so far this is the only thing that has pinged my cultdar in any way.

It's in one of the quotes I put in the post where I voted for him .

[Kaschan]

Guys, I'm here, just catching up. This thread is reallllllly long. I'm up to 3pm

[Shadow]

I'm here, have a TON to catch up on it looks like. 320 posts in the span of 18 hrs..... hope its good

[Thyrllan]

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

If he turns out to be scum, we've got our entire Symp-crew nailed, right there, and probably the other killer.

The chances of this actually happening are tiny.
Seems hes just hoping serc is innocent, and trying to convince everyone else, if he is, to lynch a quick succession of others, which gives lots of time/nights. And if the first few come up inno, well, symps right?

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.

Heres a bullseye bit. It was the only one I saw.

[Thyrllan]

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

[Ampelas]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

If he turns out to be scum, we've got our entire Symp-crew nailed, right there, and probably the other killer.

The chances of this actually happening are tiny.
Seems hes just hoping serc is innocent, and trying to convince everyone else, if he is, to lynch a quick succession of others, which gives lots of time/nights. And if the first few come up inno, well, symps right?

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.

Heres a bullseye bit. It was the only one I saw.

Hmm, maybe I'm not remembering properly. It's likely it's in someone else's post then - I'm playing with avs off to make the pages load quicker. I should maybe go reread that whole bit again.

[Ampelas]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

Cool, but let's not get tunnel-vision. I put Korlat's name forward, do any of you have any weird suspicions?

[Rashan]

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Umm, Would you mind clarifying a bit, not real sure how any thing in that post mkes sense. Are you trying to connect Thyr's post to mine? If so how, they have nothing to do with each other that I can see. Will oyu explain, please?

Certainly.

I was saying that Thyr's defense was in fact a good one and as a result my Thyr suspicion thermometer was on the fall. Then I read your post about how he could be fake symping to put himself in the clear and my Thyr thermometer rose a little bit.

Defensive Rashan is defensive.

Hmmm...

Ha! No, I just didn't understand what the point of your post was. Thanks for clarifying. Stawmanning D'riss is straw manning. hmmm. lol

[Thyrllan]

Just giving my opinions on him.
Any comments on my HP case?

[Ampelas]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:08 PM, said:

Just giving my opinions on him.
Any comments on my HP case?

Nothing that hasnt been said before. It's on about the same level as the Korlat case, which admittedly isnt all strong.

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

That's me done for the day and as I couldn't get the stoopid phone working last night, I will see you all again tomorrow.

PS Thanks to whoever told me that post 720 was where I needed to go if I had no interest in the Iliad. Saved me hours this morning

I thought I'd be sensible and read it all anyway, just in case What an idiot.

I see the pissing-contest has finished, which is nice. Never good to read that shit, especially when you've still got about 200 posts to get through!

Now my brain is fried, but I will re-read the Korlat case again. So far I hadn't had him on my radar much.

Other people on the radar - I get the vibe off of Tennes, but only because people who post so little are so damn hidey! I thought that Mockra was very uneager to defend himself when he came on (said he was busy, etc)... don't know whether that's because he is inno and didn't really care, or because he's one of those players who just give up once they are caught out as scum.

Anyway, i should be around a bit more tonight.

[Kaschan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:01 PM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

This is the biggest indication of scum behaviour I've seen from Korlat, I have to agree with Thyr. Trying to lead the flock towards more innos is a typical scum move.

It is still early in the day, and Korlat has a few votes already, so I'll not put one on just yet. This case is less strong than the Serc case yesterday, imo, and that one was wrong

Also gonna do a quick re-read of Mockra, for reasons stated.