[Mockra]

HP qwas aonly on sporadiacallt though
I think that was the veryb reason we've all considered his vote so suspicious--he just kinda voted on the witch thing, without giveing much reasoning.
Serc was on later, iirc

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

@ Amp:
rofl
well, I agree that lynching me will give you little info, lol

also, i've got no clue who might have killed Emur, and why. he did seem to agree with Serc wrt to D'riss, iirc...

Who were the people who put joke votes on emur, made a fuss about him, or made a statement that could have been construed as a clue? Oh wait - Kesso and thyr did (just saw thyr's post). Not an accusation, just a suggestion as to places to look - I think in this game NKs might not be complete WIFOM, since there is that inherent communication on the cult side. Although if they do it correctly, there wont be a NK, lol. Guess we were just lucky a killer got hit.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

You were essentially telling me how to play, or how standard mafia is played.
And then you tried to tell me what is stupid and what isnt, which is a matter of opinion.

I dont think a necro would be stupid enough to try to de-rail a train that was inevitable, when he thought the person it was on would show up scum.
You do, well, thats a matter of opinion, so suit yourself.

No i was telling you how a creature could do what he did...nothing about you personally.
You are taking this to close to heart, good sir.

When i talk about what that role could be doing i am not nescessarily talking about you.
I was merely defending a theory. Not saying that this is the case.

You on the other hand attacked me personally.

But watever

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, 31 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

Surprisingly, no-one has voted yet

20 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

Note: Rashan, that really looks like a vote, but technically it's not bolded. Just re-post it if you have a minute.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

You were essentially telling me how to play, or how standard mafia is played.
And then you tried to tell me what is stupid and what isnt, which is a matter of opinion.

I dont think a necro would be stupid enough to try to de-rail a train that was inevitable, when he thought the person it was on would show up scum.
You do, well, thats a matter of opinion, so suit yourself.

No i was telling you how a creature could do what he did...nothing about you personally.
You are taking this to close to heart, good sir.

When i talk about what that role could be doing i am not nescessarily talking about you.
I was merely defending a theory. Not saying that this is the case.

You on the other hand attacked me personally.

But watever

Perhaps, and if this is the case I apologise.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

also, i've got no clue who might have killed Emur, and why. he did seem to agree with Serc wrt to D'riss, iirc...

It is fairly obvious the creature killed Ehmur
If it was a vig then i would have to say the witch used her powers (which i doubt)

It also means that we more than likely have a new recruit for the cult running around to worry about since there was only one kill.

[Hood's Path]

I voted serc after reading Liosan's case , I did say at that time I wasn't 100% convinced but it seemed the strongest possibility. I stated that I did not see the advantage of the witch using BP on day one, which I felt Serc was trying to push. When I placed my vote I did say it wasn't set in stone and that I would be around near decision time and wanted to hear Serc's explanation/defence. Serc made a good case for using BP on day one, he hadn't fully explained himself before that. My question was answered so I removed vote. I didn't feel he was guilty, why is that so hard to understand? Somehow this behaviour seems more suspiscious to you than the people who jumped on the Serc train and then conveniently happened to be unavailable for the rest of the day to hear Serc defend himself?

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 21 January 2009 - 03:22 PM

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

You were essentially telling me how to play, or how standard mafia is played.
And then you tried to tell me what is stupid and what isnt, which is a matter of opinion.

I dont think a necro would be stupid enough to try to de-rail a train that was inevitable, when he thought the person it was on would show up scum.
You do, well, thats a matter of opinion, so suit yourself.

No i was telling you how a creature could do what he did...nothing about you personally.
You are taking this to close to heart, good sir.

When i talk about what that role could be doing i am not nescessarily talking about you.
I was merely defending a theory. Not saying that this is the case.

You on the other hand attacked me personally.

But watever

Perhaps, and if this is the case I apologise.

We have been getting our wires crossed too much.

[Mockra]

well, i'm glad you guys straigtened that out.

alas, now i must be off. dunno when i'll have time to check the thread again, might take as long as 7 hours.

later, y'all

[Liosan]

Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

Hey amp, a voice of reason and calm in the bloody maestrom that is ruse and thyrllan. I think you are mistaking me for korlat there, when i came back on this morning night was nearly over and korlat had twice said i was a big target. Now if korlat had of been the necromancer his creature could easily have read that as being - "i am targetting liosan tonight." Now serc had thought the creature would make codes, but i was pointing out that it would be more realistic for the master to set targets. The reason i dont mind saying this, strangely, is because if the killers do fail in a night kill and they can look at who voted for their target or mentioned him/her on thread and perhaps do our job for us. Also anyone making blatant mention of players on thread in the way korlat was can be looked at.

With the death of a killer at night though, it stands to reason that either korlat is not a necromancer, or the creature ignored him to target his own suspect.

[Ampelas]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

also, i've got no clue who might have killed Emur, and why. he did seem to agree with Serc wrt to D'riss, iirc...

It is fairly obvious the creature killed Ehmur
If it was a vig then i would have to say the witch used her powers (which i doubt)

It also means that we more than likely have a new recruit for the cult running around to worry about since there was only one kill.

I agree, which is why I brought up the 'look for who might have directed the creature' thing. There might even have been two recruits last night if Emur hadnt in fact been a killer (scary thought - we would have assumed the witch did use his ability after all). Assuming killers cant be recruited, which seems logical - did that ever get clarified?

[Thyrllan]

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

Right- For Using the Witches BP on Night One, when I ask it- It basically gives us a free day. We're still going to have the first train to go by, but we will also have no loss of innos. Also, because its been asked for, we won't waste any vigs through it, which could be handy.
Against- Its not enough of a "numbers" risk. Tbh, the game is probably going to play out the same way either way. We have no guarantee of getting the killers or cult by Day Three, and we also have to take into account that they can also nk each other.
So, the way I see it, more of us there is, more chance of a Cult Recruit, more chance of an inno being hit with an nk, and the later the use of the BP, the more wasteful it is to the chance of a vig or nk hitting scum.

Hood's Path, on Jan 20 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

After actually hearing Serc explain his rationale behind using the BP on the first night, it makes much more sense to me. It is the most effective way to limit the Necros, would give the innos more of a chance by virtue of the greater numbers. I'm satisfied with the rest of his explanation as well.

Remove Vote

Here is what sways HP.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:23 AM, said:

Their creature can hint it in code or something. And Im assuming with 23 of us they get to block four tonight, thats a high chance of getting someone in fairness.
As we are going to get an inno down today in a lynch, lets face it, we could in all possibility be down four innos tomorrow.
I think if we have a witch, we might need our BP tonight, as I asked PS, and that would also negate recruitment.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

Well, I was assuming that even a blocked blocked nk would stop em, so I had to clarify it. I personally don't like Kesso much myself, but Im not suspicious of him, nor am I suspicious of Omtose.
Rashan and Galain annoy me, truly.
With two Necros, it'd just be good luck if both were new players, I think we have to assume they are dangerous.
And yeah I think we need a BP tonight.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:48 AM, said:

Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 01:44 AM, said:

I don't think the BP is probably not a good move tonight. Without it we're totally vulnerable for the rest of the game. Don't know if it's worth it tonight.

The longer the game goes on the more chance the witch has of being nked and losing her BP. We need to use it early to prevent the most damage. If we use it tonight, we essentially get another Day One tomorrow.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Its the getting another shot at Day One that most spurs me on to ask for it. We don't get that kind of chance often. Usually we mess up on Day One and go after the completely wrong players Day Two, pretty much maximising our losses.

Heres some of sercs original explaining.
Not much different from what sways HP, so why vote in the first place.
I dislike it. It seems to be just jumping on an easy train.
On the other hand, serc said he was a noob, so it may be that.
Though im not sure about going around handing out noob cards...

[Ruse]

Sigh...

Well personally, as far as the train goes.
I never liked the way Galain jumped onto the train.

He was against voting for Serc, and rather wanted toget rid of low posters.
I made one comment about giving the low posters a chance to contribute and he just belly flopped the very next post and plasted his vote into serc.

It felt to me like he needed an excuse and i had ust given him one.

Also him getting roped in by omtose and messing around about being killers coupled with his statement about "people who dont spam have something to hide" all smells a bit for me.

But there ofcourse is still nothing solid....meh.

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 05:25 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

Hey amp, a voice of reason and calm in the bloody maestrom that is ruse and thyrllan. I think you are mistaking me for korlat there, when i came back on this morning night was nearly over and korlat had twice said i was a big target. Now if korlat had of been the necromancer his creature could easily have read that as being - "i am targetting liosan tonight." Now serc had thought the creature would make codes, but i was pointing out that it would be more realistic for the master to set targets. The reason i dont mind saying this, strangely, is because if the killers do fail in a night kill and they can look at who voted for their target or mentioned him/her on thread and perhaps do our job for us. Also anyone making blatant mention of players on thread in the way korlat was can be looked at.

With the death of a killer at night though, it stands to reason that either korlat is not a necromancer, or the creature ignored him to target his own suspect.

Yeah, the fact that the NK could only have been made by the creature is the reason I didnt jump all over Korlat for doing that, since it raised pretty big alarm bells for me (Discussing stuff like that at night is something I never agree with). Still, I think Korlat might be worth watching.

[D'riss]

Wow, I pop out for an hour and it all gets a bit narky.

I picked up on Ruse's idea and decided to explore a little further and apply a little pressure and then THYR EXPLODES IN AN ORGY OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!!!

However, reading between the swear words, and there were many, I do think he defended himself well.

Then this quote:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

If I knew you were not going to get lynched, I therefore knew that serc was.
Therefore, were I a necro, I knew my creature was going to die anyhow.
Therefore, why bother, rather than just jumping on sercs train, and looking innocent.

There are two answers
1. There were still a few hours of day left and trains have been building quickly so far, it's not inconceivable you could have deflected opinion on to me.
2. You are in fact inno.

As I'm no where near convinced you are a necro I'm not voting for you yet, theres plenty of time left and others to look at.

Then this comes in from Rashan

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

But I see it this way, Thyr could have been fake symping Serc and when Serc comes up as inno, he thinks he will be in the clear, thus he can now symp his real masters. Just a theory, but its mafia, everyone is suspect.

Hmmm.....

[Liosan]

Have you two made up then? Can i start reading your posts again?

[Ruse]

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:30 PM, said:

Have you two made up then? Can i start reading your posts again?

You sir, can go eat a bag of dicks

[Thyrllan]

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:30 PM, said:

Have you two made up then? Can i start reading your posts again?

Momentary truce

Generally its bad if all attention is focused on 2 people. If they're both inno, it wastes a lot of time, and can waste lynches etc, just because they get more and more convinced of each others guilt, because they don't see it from the others point of view.

Its best to look at everyone.

[Ruse]

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:30 PM, said:

Have you two made up then? Can i start reading your posts again?

Momentary truce

Generally its bad if all attention is focused on 2 people. If they're both inno, it wastes a lot of time, and can waste lynches etc, just because they get more and more convinced of each others guilt, because they don't see it from the others point of view.

Its best to look at everyone.

hahaha

thats what i was TRYING to do when i said i dont want to talk about it anymore.
But you jus HAD to carry on.