[Galain]

People should really read the role list. Necs can't kill, only the creature, the killing team and any vigs (1 shot) can kill.

[Ruse]

Been looking over Emhurlahns posts, And found....nothing.
He litterally posted fuckall of note. FUCK......ALL

So I dont know, but im gonna have to now go over thyr's posts to see how he came the the conclusion that
Ehmur was scum.

[Thyrllan]

Essentially for lurking, hopping on an easy train, being inconcpicious, and it kinda looked like he was symping.

Edit: The train was kesso, i believe. It was just after I voted serc...

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 21 January 2009 - 12:14 PM

[Tennes]

Thanks now I must go to bed...

[Thyrllan]

Oh and...Emhurlahn?

[Omtose]

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 21 2009, 10:38 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 21 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

Emurlahn (Stalker) is dead. He was a Psychopath.

Also, I thought we were getting 2 kills, creature and psycho.
And since it was a psycho that died, it must be a creature kill.
But then, what happened to psychos?

Edit: Or a vig, in which case, both creatures and psychos failed?

They could've hit a witch, are there healer's in this game? I guess I should read the role list better, or there could've been a recruitment. Which basically means we have to consider the possible players that would be a natural target for both the killers and the cult

true, but if we get the necromancers their recruits will die, again. So i think we need to look at our necromancer suspects, the good thing about the serc train is it possibly has one killer and one necromancer on it. We know there were two players with double votes, so i doubt the killer or necromancer/creature would have that ability (though a symp might) so we are looking at ten with maybe two or three evil in it.

The fact that emurlahn wasnt on it is an added bonus. Also the fact that its likely the creature killed emurlahn shows the necromancer team isnt as organised as they could be, or emurlahn might have been recruited. Can the necromancers recruit a killer?

As others said: I doubt necro's can recruit killers.

I wonder about the impact reveals are going to have on the game. Usually, you expect a revealed inno to die, but with this cult around, it would just mean an obvious (but roled) recruit for the cult.
As for Creature and Necromancers not being on the same wavelength (yet), faulty coding could be blamed, or maybe a too large suspected-kill-pool existed for the necromancers to add Emurlahn as well, or we have a dead killer who could not be recruited in the first place, whether on a list or not.

Plenty of options, and all of them are second guessing. I agree with examination of the train, but maybe not with the numbers of 2 or 3 scum on the train - 10 people voted, no? That's less than the actual majority of 12 required at that point in time, and gives 13 players who not voted on Lisheo to start with - subntracting the modkill and Emurlahn, that still leaves 11. I think the majority of scum wasn't on the train - although I do suspect that a killer-partner of Emurlahn was on it.

[D'riss]

Ah, bollocks, logic implosion, my bad.

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Anyway on to the matter at hand which is hunting real scum, this post stuck out for me in my catch up:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

There is also the chance that Thyr or one of the others that defended Serc thought that Serc was their creature.
I say this because Serc revealed that a creature "can send codes to his his master in his posts" which perhaps made the necros think that he was signaling them to look for codes in HIS posts?

When in fact all he was doing was revealing to the creature a possible way to communicate with his necro masters if he is able to ever catch their attention!

This, I believe, is a bloody good spot.

Back soon

As pointed out in earlier posts which I missed in my skim read, this is not "a bloody good spot" and I've just spent half an hour skimming Thyr's posts.

However, he has been jumping about all over the place and so far has voted for Fener, Rashan, Serc, Emurlahn, Mockra, HP and me, so I guess a more thorough investigation is in order...

[Ruse]

Alright i found something rather interesting
Look how badly Mockra defends Ehmur.
Might have found a symp over here.

Here Thyr votes for Ehmur, for placing a vote while giving no input into the game.
Thyr reckons Ehmur is just bidding his time, hiding, and trying to add to a train to get a easy lynch going.

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 19 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

Huh, Emurlahn appeared in the space of six minutes, bad timing, or lurking looking for an easy target?
I wonder.

Thats another possibility, that he's scum, looking for an inconspicious train, sees kesso gaining votes, on a little bit of evidence, jumps on with no more explanation than "I agree".

So, either he genuinely agrees, yet doesn't expand on it etc, and seems to be lurking a bit, he's symping you, or he's scum.

remove vote, vote emurlahn

because he could be scum looking for easy train, or a symp.

Also, "symps don't symp their masters"

Well, yes they do. They can draw attention away etc, but: If everyone just think "Symps don't symp their masters" then it doesnt matter if they do.

Here comes Mockra to the rescue

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

wow, thyr, that's your fourth vote already.... lynch-happy killer is eager?

Now this is harmless in itself.
But then

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

huh
all right then, remove vote

Summoning was succesful anyhow

Thyr has already changed his vote 4 times, maning he's clearly lynch happy.

vote Thyr

He votes for Thyr!!! Like a reverse symp OMGUS vote...haha

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

huh
all right then, remove vote

Summoning was succesful anyhow

Thyr has already changed his vote 4 times, maning he's clearly lynch happy.

vote Thyr

Care to explain then, why you're attacking when 2 of those were fairly obvious joke votes.
That makes 2 serious votes.
Thats the same as you.
Kettle, pot etc?

And im sure there are people changing far more than I, if we're counting jokes.

And you thought I was lynch happy?

Thyr bites back

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

you jump out at me as one of the top posters.
posting and switching votes so much is bound to grab people's attention, so I'm currently thinking symp.

Thing is, in this game a symp can also be the creature role of the cult, and just as dangerous as the killers.

untill I can figure out who (if anyone) you are symping for, my vote'll stay

Here he starts talking about the cult and also attacking the person who is voting for his master perhaps?
Classic symp behaviour

Omtose, on Jan 19 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

huh
all right then, remove vote

Summoning was succesful anyhow

Thyr has already changed his vote 4 times, maning he's clearly lynch happy.

vote Thyr

Well, lynching seems about the only way you're sure to get rid of someone with the necromancers around, and is the chosen method of elemination for the town. To imply you're not looking for a lynch is a bit weird in my opinion... what else are you looking for? I definately have no qualms at all about lynching.

Lastly, voting is pressuring. Granted, Thyr may be fluttering a bit too fast from one player to another to make an impression and get info out of the pressured, but well, none of us is perfect. Moreover, Thyr changed votes 4 times, but, dear Mockra, you voted twice in 3 posts. Not exactly a paragon of steadfastness yourself, are you? And yet it is exactly why you vote.

Remove vote
Vote Mockra.

For being holier-than-thou.

I put this in to show there also seems to be a bit of "camaraderie" between Omtose and Thyr...interesting

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:03 PM, said:

ok, where are you getting tunnelvision from?
lol, ffs, we're 6 hourrs into day 1,6 people haven't posted at all yet, some of those who did only did so to tell us they won't be on for a while.

you honestly expect to find a "slip" by scum in the first 5 hours?
lol, the only time that's ever happened was when a killer pretended to be drunk at the end of a day and people read too much into it and jumped tot he right conclusions for the wrong reasons (i.e., 100% by sheer luck)

most of the time Day 1 lynch hits an inno.

so far the only interesting tings we've heard was the supposed "killer reveal". I find it difficult to take that seriously.
you being symp-like all over the place jumps out, because like I said, you and Omtose are top posters.

More defending of Ehmur and his "slip on day 1"
Claiming that the only time we get slips is when we have drunk posters, utter bollox by the way.

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

well, you know, I just got here, gimme a break,

i'll get to attacking other people soon enough

Here he seems to want to push attention else where, by attacking "someone else"

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

ok, where are you getting tunnelvision from?
lol, ffs, we're 6 hourrs into day 1,6 people haven't posted at all yet, some of those who did only did so to tell us they won't be on for a while.

you honestly expect to find a "slip" by scum in the first 5 hours?
lol, the only time that's ever happened was when a killer pretended to be drunk at the end of a day and people read too much into it and jumped tot he right conclusions for the wrong reasons (i.e., 100% by sheer luck)

most of the time Day 1 lynch hits an inno.

so far the only interesting tings we've heard was the supposed "killer reveal". I find it difficult to take that seriously.
you being symp-like all over the place jumps out, because like I said, you and Omtose are top posters.

Well, the tunnelvision bit is the bit about you attacking only one person.
You voted Meanas for lurking, and after that, it has only been me, essentially.
Thats what tunnelvision means. You accused me of jumping about solely to attract attention. And then essentially drew even more attention to me by only attacking me.

Who else do you suspect?

And just because we don't often find scum day one, is no reason we shouldn't look, or attack who we find suspicious.

you know, for someone who claims half his votes were joke ovtes, you don't recognise them too well..

I guess I should've put a smiley of some sort after "stop lurking" thing

but yes, imagin what: THAT was a joke vote.
voting for you was the vting for the first mildly suspicious person off the topp of my head.

More attacking of the person who is voting ehmurlan

there is more....

[Ruse]

Sorry, Last Quote wouldn't fit and i removed a HUGE quote from kessoh.

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...

Here He defends ehmur yet again when kessoh says ehmur is acting inno.



All in all a very stern defense for ehmur.
Defenately something to consider.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 12:46 PM

[Ruse]

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Ah, bollocks, logic implosion, my bad.

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Anyway on to the matter at hand which is hunting real scum, this post stuck out for me in my catch up:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

There is also the chance that Thyr or one of the others that defended Serc thought that Serc was their creature.
I say this because Serc revealed that a creature "can send codes to his his master in his posts" which perhaps made the necros think that he was signaling them to look for codes in HIS posts?

When in fact all he was doing was revealing to the creature a possible way to communicate with his necro masters if he is able to ever catch their attention!

This, I believe, is a bloody good spot.

Back soon

As pointed out in earlier posts which I missed in my skim read, this is not "a bloody good spot" and I've just spent half an hour skimming Thyr's posts.

However, he has been jumping about all over the place and so far has voted for Fener, Rashan, Serc, Emurlahn, Mockra, HP and me, so I guess a more thorough investigation is in order...

How so?
Where have you changed your mind all of the sudden?

[Kessobahn]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

Sorry, Last Quote wouldn't fit and i removed a HUGE quote from kessoh.

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...

Here He defends ehmur yet again when kessoh says ehmur is acting inno.



All in all a very stern defense for ehmur.
Defenately something to consider.

I said acting guilty, but apart from that yes. I've already tagged Mockra as the most likely symp, so I agree with your case. Still, I'm not going to vote yet as a symp is so difficult to spot and we will never know if we were right in our assumption.. Mind you, if we fail to find any sign of the necromancers or the remaining killer(s) I am quite willing to vote in his direction

[Thyrllan]

No. of votes isn't really the best way to judge.

You, for example d'riss, have voted:

Serc, omtose, serc(again) in thirteen posts.

Thats 3/13 of your total posts as votes.

Me:

Fener, Rashan, Serc, Emurlahn, Mockra, HP and D'riss.

Thats 7/87 posts.

I've been here more. Stands to reason i've voted more.

So yeah, im not sure where you see my whole "OMG he's so jumpy" thing comes from.
7 votes, over the course of the whole day.
2 of which were jokes.

[Ruse]

Kessobahn, on Jan 21 2009, 12:50 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

Sorry, Last Quote wouldn't fit and i removed a HUGE quote from kessoh.

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...

Here He defends ehmur yet again when kessoh says ehmur is acting inno.



All in all a very stern defense for ehmur.
Defenately something to consider.

I said acting guilty, but apart from that yes. I've already tagged Mockra as the most likely symp, so I agree with your case. Still, I'm not going to vote yet as a symp is so difficult to spot and we will never know if we were right in our assumption.. Mind you, if we fail to find any sign of the necromancers or the remaining killer(s) I am quite willing to vote in his direction

Hence no vote from me either.

[Mockra]

hey all
popping in briefly before class

w00t, a psycho's dead!
good job, necros,

people seem to think I was symping Emu?
, I was commenting on Thyr's and Kesso's playstyle--Thyr for vote hopping, and Kesso for accusing someone based off 2 posts.
lol, I'd defend anyone that was accused on such flimsy ground, not just Emu, since I don't believe in a day 1 case based off 2 posts

anyhow, gotta run, i'm afraid I won't be on much today, because classes are a bitch.

[D'riss]

@Ruse - getting confused, brain hurts, was looking at a post that I believed refuted your theory when it actually doesn't.

So to change my mind AGAIN, that was a bloody good spot.

Now I will be accused of being scum for changing my mind, hey ho.

Meanwhile, I believe Thyr bears investigation which I will try to find time to do soon.

[D'riss]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 12:52 PM, said:

No. of votes isn't really the best way to judge.

You, for example d'riss, have voted:

Serc, omtose, serc(again) in thirteen posts.

Thats 3/13 of your total posts as votes.

Me:

Fener, Rashan, Serc, Emurlahn, Mockra, HP and D'riss.

Thats 7/87 posts.

I've been here more. Stands to reason i've voted more.

So yeah, im not sure where you see my whole "OMG he's so jumpy" thing comes from.
7 votes, over the course of the whole day.
2 of which were jokes.

5 of which were not, 2 of which (me, HP) were trying to distract from the best theory of the day that Serc was scum. Turns out you were fooled as well as us.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 12:57 PM, said:

hey all
popping in briefly before class

w00t, a psycho's dead!
good job, necros,

people seem to think I was symping Emu?
, I was commenting on Thyr's and Kesso's playstyle--Thyr for vote hopping, and Kesso for accusing someone based off 2 posts.
lol, I'd defend anyone that was accused on such flimsy ground, not just Emu, since I don't believe in a day 1 case based off 2 posts

anyhow, gotta run, i'm afraid I won't be on much today, because classes are a bitch.

Yea well you went all out on them, full on war by the looks of things.
Never considered it to at least have a bit of merit?

No, i believe there is, from the evidence, a good chance you could be ehmurs symp.

[Thyrllan]

Sorry to blow your serc was a creature theory out of the water, but i've asked mods for confirmation.
Creatures CF as undead.

[D'riss]

Damn, board won't let me search member's posts atm. The case must wait...

[Ruse]

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

Meanwhile, I believe Thyr bears investigation which I will try to find time to do soon.

Meanwhile, I find it very interesting that thyr's, out of the blue, suspect got killed by the creature.