[Kessobahn]

isn't night over yet? gawd

[Liosan]

Sorry, lisheo

Skim read the thread and quoted any posts of major interest by players.

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 06:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

i posted my case at 12.40, by 3.30 there were nine votes and as it turns out that was l-1. Lisheo hadnt even had a chance to respond. If you read the first line of my case i state quite clearly that it is based on gut feelings and isnt comprehensive. It was a day 1 case. If i wanted to distance myself from the case i would have had to remove my vote and borrow a men in black pen to wipe all your memories. I stand by the case, but what had me most worried was the fact that not one person came on and said, you know this is odd that no one is defending him.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

The case has gathered far too much steam for my liking, actually. A lot of the votes were really just "I'll agree with Liosan". I'm also interested by the number of players who said they WOULDN'T be around for Days End, which is convenient, allowing them to keep votes on me and make me the only real lynch candidate. I more or less expect to be lynched now, so good luck guys, there's scum on my train, and they're obvious as fuck.

If they were obvious, lisheo we would vote for them. People put votes on and leave them because not to vote is to not contribute, it really is a lose lose situation on day 1 for people. If you say i wont be here and leave without voting people say you are trying to fly under the radar. If you leave a vote on people say you are scum and avoiding the argument.

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Right, I might or might not be lynched yet, but I'd like my Train to be examined well.
Because, Korlat, no one is that fucking obvious.

Actually, yeah, sometimes they are. Your statement that "things are moving too fast for my taste" regarding a lynch train on you, for example. And if you're a Killer with noob Symps, well ... my condolences.

And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.

You know when serc said the creature will signal his master, well i thought that was stupid and couldnt fathom how that would work, all you would need is one sneaky innocent player doing that to screw the recruiters. This post on read through though has made me think that Korlat is a necromancer. Why would the creature need to signal, the master need just say things like this and target their recruitment on thread so the creature knows who to kill. After all the creaure knows his master. I am only saying this because i am the target of the bulls eye, and this struck me as odd.

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

The use of the BP was a big factor, or so he says. Yet he thinks its a good idea, these days?

So, impressions:

Hoods path is very middle of the road. He is contradictory. He seems to make little effort to read up, not even sure he read lios case, he just hops on, agreeing.
In fact, over all, I dont think he's contributed at all, he's just made vague comments, voted, removed, done nothing.

Remove vote, vote hoods path

For being contradictory, making little sense, and being massively middle of the road, while trying to show a bit of content.

Before this the brakes slammed on the train because no one was defending serc. Now we have thyrllan appearing gung ho defending him.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 20 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

@ Serc-

D'riss posts aren't much. He agrees with you about the dangerousness of the cult, then is swayed by Serc and votes for 4 reasons. Nothing to fishy there. The one thing that does stand out is his Post once with a vote on Omtose and then leaving for the day. Thats a little odd.

One of his reasons for voting me is the exact thing he agrees with me about.
That, imo, stinks.

Come out, come out, D'riss...

Vote D'riss

Because I don't think Liosan's case was enough to sway someone who agreed with me already previously.

Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Good night all.

I've decided to plump for D'riss.

remove vote

vote D'riss

1 part scummy impression I got from him
1 part mediocre contribution
1 part jumping on lynch trains
1 part Galain needing sleep

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

Well, thats 2 on d'riss, and people seem less willing on HP.
As I said earlier, im willing to lynch either.

remove vote, vote D'riss

I find contradiction very scummy, and he seems to be trying to avoid attention.

The start of a new train. to be honest i do not know what to make of these three, serc obviously came back innocent and wanted to find someone he could maybe save himself with, but i am unsure what the others hoped to achieve. If its an attempt to PI themselves it has backfired tremendously, and surely if they were a team they would have refrained from jumping on together on day 1.

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:54 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

What the fuck just happened. One minute ago, Serc was the target, he mentions in passing that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to look at D'riss, and suddenly a swing vote with 2 hours left, no way is that not curious. I'm leaving my vote right were it is. Mockra and Kess have been giving him a bit of defense by refusing to vote for him, now others are swayed? WTF?

Oh, and for me, serc was not ever the target. I haven't ever been on that train.
I dont intend to be on that train.
I think that train is stupid. I would prefer to go for, to de-rail onto if thats how you wish to see it, someone I think is more likely to be scum.
Perhaps I will be wrong. Perhaps not.

You would be easier to believe if you werent so sure, Thyrllan. You categorically state a few times that you are never voting for serc.

Omtose, on Jan 20 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

Vote Serc

Sorry sir/madam, but your lynch is going to give us a lot of information.
Depending on the result, we can peg Thyrllan for either fake-symping you or symping you, and whether guilty or not, we have a very interesting train to boot.

D'riss/ HP, if they even become lynchworthy, not so much. Their train will be next to worthless worthless due to being very speedy, and once again, it only leaves Thyrllan as the one pushing their lynch... next to you of course.

Naturally, your own train would then be taken apart but since we don't have your CF, well... we wouldn't know what conclusion to draw from its examination to start with, and with two groups of scum, I wouldn't want to jump to the conclusion that you're inno if the lynched one is scum - could be you're just on the other evil team.

the recriminations for thyrllans anger and posting style come back to haunt serc.

Silanah, on Jan 20 2009, 10:35 PM, said:

Finished up reading
Im going to have to vote for Serc since he is the most liable lynch for today which is alot better than no lynch.
Liosan did he some good points and some that were meh but it is the strongest case to go on for day 1.
I would much rather lynch Thyrllan though considering he is trying to derail this lynch quite strongly.
The one thing I am concerned about is that people think that it is symping but it might be a twin trying not to get their twin lynched.

Vote Serc

Kessobahn, on Jan 21 2009, 12:36 AM, said:

Well I can't say that I am surprised, but I still think you guys did the right thing voting for him. A D'riss lynch would've given us nothing, so if I'd been online early enough to be the hammer, I would've voted serc..

Alas, that's what happens.

Also, on my quick read now, before going to bed, I noticed that the two people apart from serc who've made the necro/creature thing their topic of choice are Kaschan and Fener. Two withdrawn, quite careful players.

Good call, i never pegged either for that, can you make a case?

I skimmed the whole trojan war studies class.

[Ruse]

looks like a time out is ineffedetable

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 10:17 AM

[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 05:18 PM, said:

The Serc train does worry me, but then again, I'm persuaded by the case that Liosan has a point. Now, if he's wrong, I think Liosan is probably a good lynch for tomorrow, but atm, I can't help but see his point. Now, I will wait for Serc to respond before I cast my vote, assuming he's on before night. I don't want to see day 2 dawn with no new info, so lynch somebody. Preferably somebody who has a logical case against them...

This is silly.

I didnt even notice that one! Are we not allowed to make cases anymore? boo, fener, boo!!

[Galain]

What do they teach children at school these days?

Sigh.

[Liosan]

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Right, I might or might not be lynched yet, but I'd like my Train to be examined well.
Because, Korlat, no one is that fucking obvious.

Actually, yeah, sometimes they are. Your statement that "things are moving too fast for my taste" regarding a lynch train on you, for example. And if you're a Killer with noob Symps, well ... my condolences.

And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.

Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.

Oh, I'm here, but I've casted a vote and I'm going to stick to it. Even moreso now than before - Thyrllan is heavily Symping you. If you come up Inno, he and Liosan will be top targets. And I say Thyrllan will be, because he's being a bit too obvious a Symp, and it might be an attempt to make you look like a scum leader when you're really an Inno.

actually two posts in a row from korlat name me as top target, or bullseye.

<- thats me, shitting my pants

[Ruse]

There is also the chance that Thyr or one of the others that defended Serc thought that Serc was their creature.
I say this because Serc revealed that a creature "can send codes to his his master in his posts" which perhaps made the necros think that he was signaling them to look for codes in HIS posts?

When in fact all he was doing was revealing to the creature a possible way to communicate with his necro masters if he is able to ever catch their attention!

[Thyrllan]

Having said that, i've alt guessed him.
Doesn't stop him being scum, but i've seen him play like that before. Much to my amazement .

It does seem suspect though.

As to why I defended serc so much, was essentially because I trusted my gut, and my brain. I saw very little scuminess in him, or his posts, and more scuminess on that train. Also, im not going to say I was 100% certain. But if you're trying to defend someone, you're not going to say "Well, I dont think he's scum, but I could well be wrong, possibly making a huge mistake, but I think this person is more scummy" Hopefully we've got a symp, but playing WCS is the best way to go.

Was I trying to PI myself?
No. Obviously not.

He comes back innocent, everyone goes: How were you so certain. You're trying to PI yourself aren't you! You knew he was going to come back inno, you scum you.

He comes back guilty, everyone screams: Scum! Defending scum! Scumscumscum!

So defending someone heavily really isn't the best way to go.
Hopping on the train and being inconspicious is.

Liosan is possible scum. Unlikely, but he could be a rather clever person having figured out that people rarely in practice look at the person who makes the case.

More likely is one of the inconcpicious, middle of the road players.
Fener possibly. D'riss possible. I remember little from Silanah or Tennes, but im not ure if they were even on the train. I think silanah tried to get on at the end?
HP is my favourite, and I made my case for him yesterday.

[Ruse]

Here's for hoping the creature kills a killer and the killers kill the creature.

Or is that too much to ask?

[Thyrllan]

The alt guess bit is about fener.
Also Korlat, I don't think anyone is ever that obviously a symp.

Serc as a creature would be good, but again, I see the scum as likely inconcpicous, middle of the road types.

[Thyrllan]

Yeah, thats WCS right there ruse

Also, i've just realized, symps can have any of the roles the innos have.

[Liosan]

I do not think korlat is the symp, the creature knows his masters, therefore they are the ones who would do the signaling, not it. As for serc being the creature, i seriously doubt a mass murdering Frankenstein monster would come up as innocent. It is basically a serial killer that is aligned to a particular faction.

[Path-Shaper]

After the frantic assaults that left poor Serc dead, everyone settles in, and things take a turn for the civilized. Some even start a deep conversation about the Iliad, although you quickly realize it was just an elaborate guise to talk about lesbians.

It's hard to tell in this room without windows, but it seems the night stretches unusually long. Just when you think it can't be any longer, the room is plunged in a sudden darkness.

You hear shouts, cries, some panic. Metallic noises, fleshy thumpings of bodies thrown against each other. Satanic incantations, and murmurings in long-forgotten tongues.

And then a yell.

One by one, the lights come back on, pale imitation of a lazy sunrise. Most seem to be still standing, although one figure remains down, mask and head caved in by a strong blow.

Slowly, you peel of the mask from the bloody mess. In the crowd around you, there is a collective intake of breath.

"Well, will you look at that..."

Emurlahn (Stalker) is dead. He was a Psychopath.



----


It is day 2, 36 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night



20 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:26 AM, said:

Was I trying to PI myself?
No. Obviously not.

He comes back innocent, everyone goes: How were you so certain. You're trying to PI yourself aren't you! You knew he was going to come back inno, you scum you.

He comes back guilty, everyone screams: Scum! Defending scum! Scumscumscum!

So defending someone heavily really isn't the best way to go.
Hopping on the train and being inconspicious is.

"Obviously not" ...OBVIOUSLY??? haha your propaganda wont work on me.

Anyways, it is a paradoxical conclusion to come to, but non the less the fact still should be brought to everyones attention?
no?

[Ruse]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 21 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

Emurlahn (Stalker) is dead. He was a Psychopath.

Freaken awesome, guess it WASNT to much to ask.

And only one kill...sweet

[Thyrllan]

Well, obviously.

Of course it should be brought to everyones attention.
But please ask yourself if you think its actually made anyone think im more innocent. No.
So as a ploy to PI myself either:

It wasn't.
Im utterly stupid and didn't see it wouldn't work, and it has massively backfired.

[Kessobahn]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 21 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

After the frantic assaults that left poor Serc dead, everyone settles in, and things take a turn for the civilized. Some even start a deep conversation about the Iliad, although you quickly realize it was just an elaborate guise to talk about lesbians.

It's hard to tell in this room without windows, but it seems the night stretches unusually long. Just when you think it can't be any longer, the room is plunged in a sudden darkness.

You hear shouts, cries, some panic. Metallic noises, fleshy thumpings of bodies thrown against each other. Satanic incantations, and murmurings in long-forgotten tongues.

And then a yell.

One by one, the lights come back on, pale imitation of a lazy sunrise. Most seem to be still standing, although one figure remains down, mask and head caved in by a strong blow.

Slowly, you peel of the mask from the bloody mess. In the crowd around you, there is a collective intake of breath.

"Well, will you look at that..."

Emurlahn (Stalker) is dead. He was a Psychopath.



----


It is day 2, 36 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night



20 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

ahahahahahahahahahahaha! .. Emurlahn was evil, and I am thus god for spotting it. Now, that makes me utterly convinced there's a killer early on the Serc train.

[Liosan]

ahahahahaa - well done someone, well done

[Liosan]

so he was fake symping serc then, sneaky sod.

[Thyrllan]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 21 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

Emurlahn (Stalker) is dead. He was a Psychopath.

Also, I thought we were getting 2 kills, creature and psycho.
And since it was a psycho that died, it must be a creature kill.
But then, what happened to psychos?

Edit: Or a vig, in which case, both creatures and psychos failed?

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 21 January 2009 - 10:36 AM