And now my case on Galain
For the first 20 or so posts there is nothing but spam and role-playing killer with Omtose. On his first post he votes for Kaschan but keeps it there because he advocates lynching the low posters. Bad becuse its early day 1 and he says its hard to lynch them later on. Notice that he only has 60 posts at the time I started this case. Now he gets a bit of flack for it and hops on the Serc train. Which built steam rather quickly, after some people mention their concern over speed he agrees and removes his vote and votes for D'riss. All the while saying he would rather go for a low poster. then this
Galain, on Jan 22 2009, 12:52 AM, said:
@ Fener:
It's a weird feeling when you see that someone has found a code that you have put in one of your posts. I was actually quite intrigued to see what it might be, if I'd maybe subconsciously included some strange coding without realising it. Then I scrolled down, and it was urse? Colour me disappointed. If I were to put a code in it would be much better than that. I also found it quite funny though.
Based on a quick read through (my head is feeling better today, although I've got some stupid long meetings today) today, I'm quite happy to lay my vote down on one of the non-contributors, but I think I need to go read some more of the cases and possibly provide one of my own before settling for that.
For everyone not eating rice, I say aloud, beat all killers always.

The above quote was made on day 2. After Emu was NKed. and still he's going for non-contributors. this is about 35 posts in, and he only one case thus far. it was this one, where he voted D'riss on Day 1
Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 04:21 PM, said:
Good night all.
I've decided to plump for D'riss.
remove vote
vote D'riss
1 part scummy impression I got from him
1 part mediocre contribution
1 part jumping on lynch trains
1 part Galain needing sleep
Now here is something quite scummy, both in a Necro way as well as a Killer way. The Bold is scummy in a killer way. The underlined bit is the Necro way, trying to analyze night kills is Wifom, unless you are trying to explain why YOU didn't recruit Kess.
Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 12:36 AM, said:
So Kessobahn was telling the truth. I think I still disagree with his decision to reveal though. Not so much about losing CF, but I think the medium thing was quite potentially useful.
I'm unsure as to why Ampelas was killed, but I'm guessing that hit came from the killers, as Kesso was focusing mainly on the undead, and that probably made the creature have a go at him. What confuses me is why Kesso wasn't recruited. I can't think why a necro wouldn't extend a bit of recruitment that way considering he was such an obvious night kill. I'm puzzled.
I think that Kaschan seems to be suspicious based on Kesso's suspicions, but I want to have a look at Ampelas and see if there was any possible reason for it besides randomness.
Here he is backing up a little, he wanted to lynch low posters day 1 but now he says non-contributers, and only if there isn't a good case?
Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 07:51 AM, said:
You're right about the reveal. I still don't quite comprehend why he would do that. Was it really worth it to reveal an undead, who may or may not be a necromancer? I think not.
I take your point about Silanah, but I feel that the best time to lynch non-contributors is when there isn't a good case against someone, and that is the usual day 1 situation.
This is the first mention of any suspect and I am about 50 posts in. Now what strikes me as odd, is the fact that he has never mentioned Ano, and never brought forth any kind of case (which to me is non-contribution). He says here he is going to finally get around to it.I skipped ahead and to date he hasn't made any case.
Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 05:13 PM, said:
My view on Kaschan, to answer Shadow, is that I probably would have voted for him. I think I posted earlier that Kesso's suspicions meant he was surely worth looking at, and I think an OK case was made. I did agree with Kaschan to some extent on the degree to which he was essentially being fingered by the gut feelings from Kesso, but I really really disliked his defence of himself, and this more than anything made me feel that he would have been my vote choice. He would narrowly have beaten out Tennes because Tennes has been annoying me, and being essentially useless.
Those two were the two obvious candidates, but I also have suspicions around, I think, Anomandaris as a possible symp double voter if there is one in place. I recall from day 1 there were elements of his play style I felt were vaguely scummy, and he has done nothing to disengender those thoughts. I wouldn't have voted for him at that point as I haven't had the opportunity to see if there is the textual backing for such a case. I plan on doing so at some point over this weekend.
Next he is advocating not speed lynching and saying that Tennes appears scummy because of his mod kill avoid and his NON-CONTRIBUTION!
Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 05:45 PM, said:
There isn't much point in keeping him around, but by the same token, there isn't much point in using a lynch on him. If we can accumulate evidence to construct a case on someone we should look to do so, and take our time to do so. If we can't source a case, Tennes is a good fallback option unless he should start providing something of worth.
I am slightly worried that the whole just beating the modkill things seems a bit scummy and a bit too much of a forced laying low, which is exacerbated by the non-content of the posts, and the seeming choice he is making to not contribute with what time he has available.
Now here is his response to me when I point out he was middle of the roading and hadn't been on a single lynch train. Defensive much?
Galain, on Jan 24 2009, 01:51 AM, said:
@ Rashan: The main reason I haven't been on either of the last 2 lynch trains when I've agreed with both lynches is because people keep rushing through the lynches. I keep making the effort to come back a couple of hours before day end, and I always find myself sitting around at night. I'm not happy about this, I've said so before, and I'm not sure if it's happening because people can't seem to remember that there are double voters and are therefore hammering early, or because scummy people are trying to rush through lynches without making full use of the day.
I repeat myself, I said much the same thing all of about 1 page ago, and I'm not that pleased about being called out about something I already pointed out and explained and even complained about earlier.
Also, someone deserves a serious smakc for makign all the nights so long.
Next he admits he hasn't been contributing and explains why. By the way this was after the weekend break.
Galain, on Jan 26 2009, 03:39 PM, said:
Hmmm, it happened again. I was wading through mountains of pages only to find that it's just turned night. I would probably have voted Anomandaris having read the case linking him with Fener, which ties in nicely with my gut feel about him, although I would have been happy to vote Galayn Lord to secure a lynch. No need of that now I guess.
I should probably apologise for being less than contributory, but a mixture of RL and having bitten off a bit more than I could chew mafia-wise have meant things are a little tricky to balance at the moment.
People really like early lynches and not sending in provisionals around here...
Now next I personally find scummy. He has continually been pissed at the length of night and quick days, and votes Ano because of the good case Lio made. Had he really been so suspicious (besides the brief mention earlier) wouldn't he have made a case?
Galain, on Jan 27 2009, 07:24 AM, said:
vote Anomandaris
Something has been nagging at me about Ano for some time, and I think Liosan's massive case provides some foundation for my suspicions. I do worry slightly that I'm trying to look for something scummy on Ano but I think there is enough evidence holistically to suggest that there is something untoward going on with him.
Again explaining away his non contribution
Galain, on Jan 27 2009, 03:09 PM, said:
Hmmm, I do realise that I haven't been a massive contributor. I think I posted last night trying to explain why.
Basically, through mostly my own fault I don't have as much time as I would like to play, and definitely not enough time to keep on top of a thread this gargantuan. Coupled with the fact that I seem to catch a large proportion of nights and you get me being a bit hypocritical, to be fair.
I'm not going to pretend it will change, but I do read these cases, even if I don't put forward my own.
Next is good reasoning, but Galain hasn't done this
Galain, on Jan 27 2009, 03:56 PM, said:
@ Shadow
I think you need to realise there is a line between a growing suspicion and someone becoming a suspect.
I didn't say that we should go with the first train that made sense (and definitely nowhere near as quick as this one has gone). I'm just saying that among the potential reasons for someone voting for someone else and trying to sway the lynch includes scummy protectionism. It also includes investigation of alternative options but I think people need(ed) to find better cases for alternatives.
Bold is mine
Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 02:35 AM, said:
OK, sorry for my scarceness. It's explainable but I won't bore you with that here.
My thoughts on the reveal and counter-reveal are that: the supposed wisdom I've been told is that you lynch the both of them, starting with the initial revealer. However, I'm not sure this works as well as it should when there is no CF.
My worry, however, is that one of them, probably D'riss, could be a symp, and that he could be playing on the perceived wisdom to ensure that we lynch two people, one of them innocent (I think of Mockra as perhaps innocent at the moment due to the way he's been acting recently), which would buy time for more kills if they're a psycho symp, or more conversions if they're symping any remaining necros.
I'd like to steer away from voting symps, I don't think it really helps, and as long as people continue to flag likely symps it shouldn't be a problem.
But that leaves the question of where to drop my vote. I haven't been able to keep on top of the thread anywhere near as much as I would have hoped. I see Ruse is the highest out of everyone else, but I wouldnt have any reason to vote for him save his occassional abrasiveness. I'm a little stuck.
He votes Ruse as OMGUS (Ruse said he was suspect and then removes after Ruse explains but again note the bold (WIFOM, but still)
Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 04:01 AM, said:
@ Ruse: my vote isn't a serious vote. It's a vote to put pressure on you to explain yourself. Which you have (sort of) by saying it was gut feel.
remove vote
The thing is that I'm not happy about having aspersions thrown about my person when they have no basis in fact and not providing any reason as to why you think someone is suspicious provides no recourse to answer the 'case'.
And throwing names out consistently as suspect could easily be seen as trying to make people more easily lynchable. It's scummy.
However, I agree with you strongly on the whole question of symps, and that we should ignore the reveals as it is more likely to be a symp reveal than someone actually worth lynching.
You're getting majorly majorly defensive, which is making me reconsider the vote removal though.
And I saw you voted for Shadow but not one of us, but Shadow is not ticking any of my suspect boxes at the moment, whereas you are and have been.
Finally his last post, to date, he thinks Mockra is probably inno, and won't place a vote on the unlynchable so may as well get the lynch (middle of the roading again?)
Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 07:08 AM, said:
Hmmm. While I think that we shouldn't be looking to lynch a symp at this point, there haven't been (m)any cases made besides the revealers today.
I would've liked to look towards making a case but I just haven't had time.
With time ticking away, it doesn't make sense to place a vote on anyone without votes without having a decent case to back it up with. Which leaves Ruse, Mockra and D'riss. I don't think Ruse is guilty despite all his fire and bukkake, and I am more inclined to trust Mockra than D'riss. However, D'riss only has one vote on him, and looks unlikely to be lynched.
So I
vote Mockra
with the proviso that should people start putting weight behind D'riss's train, I'd be more than willing to jump on board.
Having done all of that, I will now
Vote Galain
I'll get to Meanas later.
Edit Moved from the top of the page because it broke up HP's case. Thyr, not eve gonna comment on this, just gonna hop on the train....thats not scummy...not at all.