[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Rashan are trying tom silence your symp before he makes a mistake perhaps?

he's been attempting to build a case onme for several days now...

hahaha....yes but he woudlnt know that you were his symp now would he?
And now you protect him

[Meanas]

Well looks like to day is going to be a seriously busy day. Tough luck for Liosan and Omtose. Now to the mini reveal fest that is Mockra and D'riss. Frankly I don't know what to say or who to believe. I have gone back and reread both of the reveals and subsequent posts, and I still don't know who to believe. I am kind of leaning toward Mockra but I think that might be alt based rather then post based. I don't think that with all of Gavins and JA's talking about this being a noob friendly game they would put in 2 witches. On a standard Tmdi 8-10 then absolutely but on a noob friendly one no. Which means that one of you two (Mockra and D'riss) is lying. In the absence of anything else I think that we should lynch one today and the other tomorrow. After my fuck up yesterday I am going to hold off my vote till the absolute last minute.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

squirm?
you think of yourself too highly, my friend

I'm enjoying myself, i'm finally RI, I told you all that I know or thought, I have 0 pressure on me right now.

Roleless Innocent?

What the fuck next?

[Ruse]

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

Well looks like to day is going to be a seriously busy day. Tough luck for Liosan and Omtose. Now to the mini reveal fest that is Mockra and D'riss. Frankly I don't know what to say or who to believe. I have gone back and reread both of the reveals and subsequent posts, and I still don't know who to believe. I am kind of leaning toward Mockra but I think that might be alt based rather then post based. I don't think that with all of Gavins and JA's talking about this being a noob friendly game they would put in 2 witches. On a standard Tmdi 8-10 then absolutely but on a noob friendly one no. Which means that one of you two (Mockra and D'riss) is lying. In the absence of anything else I think that we should lynch one today and the other tomorrow. After my fuck up yesterday I am going to hold off my vote till the absolute last minute.

erm...why would a symp counter reveal on effectively a useless role?
Also... note that mockra prefers to believe that D'riss is also a witch rather than calling him liar.

[Mockra]

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

squirm?
you think of yourself too highly, my friend

I'm enjoying myself, i'm finally RI, I told you all that I know or thought, I have 0 pressure on me right now.

Roleless Innocent?

What the fuck next?

well, yes
I used my power
thus, I'm now no different from a roleless inno

and yes, I have no qualms with believing D'riss's reveal right now. becasue it explains night 3. If D'riss is lying, we may still be looking at a situation where the combined scum has as many votes as the innos do.

[Ruse]

you really believe we could even consider you RI?

[Mockra]

if you believed that i'm a witch, than yes, once I use my power, I become RI

same with D'riss, if he's tellingt he truth, lol

[Ruse]

Put yourself in my shoes and answer that again

[Meanas]

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 03:30 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

Well looks like to day is going to be a seriously busy day. Tough luck for Liosan and Omtose. Now to the mini reveal fest that is Mockra and D'riss. Frankly I don't know what to say or who to believe. I have gone back and reread both of the reveals and subsequent posts, and I still don't know who to believe. I am kind of leaning toward Mockra but I think that might be alt based rather then post based. I don't think that with all of Gavins and JA's talking about this being a noob friendly game they would put in 2 witches. On a standard Tmdi 8-10 then absolutely but on a noob friendly one no. Which means that one of you two (Mockra and D'riss) is lying. In the absence of anything else I think that we should lynch one today and the other tomorrow. After my fuck up yesterday I am going to hold off my vote till the absolute last minute.

erm...why would a symp counter reveal on effectively a useless role?
Also... note that mockra prefers to believe that D'riss is also a witch rather than calling him liar.

You make a good point. Although look at D'riss now you have CI him. That is reason enough for a symp to counter like that. I know that it is paraniod but that is how I play and think. Plus now we have Mockra pointing the finger at Silanah (who almost everyone has pointed at on different days) so Silanah can now be given a PI statis. In a game with a possible growing cult were we have no CF we suddenly have two players who are CI or PI. I don't like it one bit. I don't want this to seem like I am defending Mockra, cause I am not. Odds are that he is a symp. But if he is then why did he reveal now? I mean who was under pressure before his reveal??? Lets just take a sec on think things through. Yes I know coming from me that is funny. Yesterday was a tough day for me but I am feeling and thinking much better now.

[D'riss]

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

Well looks like to day is going to be a seriously busy day. Tough luck for Liosan and Omtose. Now to the mini reveal fest that is Mockra and D'riss. Frankly I don't know what to say or who to believe. I have gone back and reread both of the reveals and subsequent posts, and I still don't know who to believe. I am kind of leaning toward Mockra but I think that might be alt based rather then post based. I don't think that with all of Gavins and JA's talking about this being a noob friendly game they would put in 2 witches. On a standard Tmdi 8-10 then absolutely but on a noob friendly one no. Which means that one of you two (Mockra and D'riss) is lying. In the absence of anything else I think that we should lynch one today and the other tomorrow. After my fuck up yesterday I am going to hold off my vote till the absolute last minute.

So now I have to prove my innocence. Let's give it a go then.

Why did Mockra reveal? There was pressure building on him for his defense of Ano, a few of us starting to look at him and my (admittedly not brilliant) case against him. He fake revealed to buy himself some time and sow more confusion.

What did I have to gain from a reveal apart from outing scum? There was some very wishy washy speculation on me because I hadn't posted much over the last day or so (mea culpa) and because I was middle of the roading. Apparently MORing is scummy but In my case it's n00bie. It's my first game, people are posting gargantuan 3 post cases and I'm a little lost tbh, so I vote for cases I think have the most merit. Then, by revealing, I expose myself to the scum for a nk, or I get lynched tomorrow as you will assume I was recruited by the cult. Either way I die, but as I said, as we still have the advantage in numbers I consider it to be worth the sacrifice to get rid of a scum.

Meanwhile Mockra continues his obfuscation, muddying the water with talk of two witches.

Also you say yourself you are leaning toward Mockra. Lynch him today as the killers will probably sort me out tonight

[Ruse]

If you are telling the truth, and If driss is telling the truth, by revealing your now useless role.
You have effectively cut down the options for the killers to get a roled player by 2.

Why did you reveal?

Makes no sense to reveal...none at all. Even if you are inno. Its the wrong thing to do.
Unless you were hoping the real witch is dead already and your looking for a free ride.

I just dont get it...

[Mockra]

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Put yourself in my shoes and answer that again

lol
well, riddle me this: if I was a symp, what possible reason would I have to fake-reveal out of the blue?
don't recall there being a major train that needed derailing or anything...

[Meanas]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

if you believed that i'm a witch, than yes, once I use my power, I become RI

same with D'riss, if he's tellingt he truth, lol

Is that good crack rock your smoking. How in gods green earth can you possibly think that we will think that you are a RI. I wouldn't trust my mom in mafia (she is devious in her old age) much less RI her. We have no CF cause you or dumber decided not to use your BP to make sure that we kept a revealed medium (nobody counter that day) alive. Kaschan's lynch can be called a direct result of that mistake.

Seriously Mockra/Driss which ever one of you is the true witch didn't you think that Fener might have something to say to Kesso that night. Didn't you think that for every day we kept him around would be a good day for the innocents. Cause it says in the rules that when the medium dies so does the bloody CF. Instead you just decide to blow your load over the weekend (Driss) cause that was a really good time to use it. End rant.


Edited for spelling

This post has been edited by Meanas: 28 January 2009 - 03:55 PM

[Mockra]

ahem
I stated why I revealed
not knowing that night 3 lack of kills was due to another witch, I assumed the cult/scum/inno distribution to be 4:2:6

in this situation, a poor lynch would lead to a cult victory.
I felt it necessary to bring that fact to people's attention, and to explain why I think that, required a reveal.

if D'riss is elling the truth, the distibution's more likely 2:2:8, and my reveal seems pointless. however, I couldn't know that at the time (for obvious reasons, I didn't think 2 witches either)

@ D'riss
you're conveniently omitting that the "pressure" on me consisted of Ruse saying "you might be a symp"
and I announced that I have a role and I will reveal before your mini-case.

so, "symp cracking under pressure" theory needs some work... since your evidence is fairly weak.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Put yourself in my shoes and answer that again

lol
well, riddle me this: if I was a symp, what possible reason would I have to fake-reveal out of the blue?
don't recall there being a major train that needed derailing or anything...

If the witch is already dead...you get a PI next to your name.
Not that bad of a plan.

Better than what you just did if you indeed are a witch.

[Shadow]

I'm here

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

ahem
I stated why I revealed
not knowing that night 3 lack of kills was due to another witch, I assumed the cult/scum/inno distribution to be 4:2:6

in this situation, a poor lynch would lead to a cult victory.
I felt it necessary to bring that fact to people's attention, and to explain why I think that, required a reveal.

You do know that the cult need to be majority over EVERYONE...not just the innos

So a bad lynch would make it 4:2:4...

still fine cause its essentially 4:6

[Mockra]

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 10:54 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

if you believed that i'm a witch, than yes, once I use my power, I become RI

same with D'riss, if he's tellingt he truth, lol

Is that good crack rock your smoking. How in gods green earth can you possibly think that we will think that you are a RI. I wouldn't trust my mom in mafia (she is devious in her old age) much less RI her. We have no CF cause you or dumber decided not to use your BP to make sure that we kept a revealed medium (nobody counter that day) alive. Kaschan's lynch can be called a direct result of that mistake.

Seriously Mockra/Driss which ever one of you is the true witch didn't you think that Fener might have something to say to Kesso that night. Didn't you think that for every day we kept him around would be a good day for the innocents. Cause it says in the rules that when the medium dies so does the bloody CF. Instead you just decide to blow your load over the weekend (Driss) cause that was a really good time to use it. End rant.


Edited for spelling

and why the fuck do you think Fener would have anyhting useful to say?
you all tend to forget that dead people can lie to a medium

Morgo's reveal was poorly timed, and that made it suspicious as hell.
witch's power is one-shot, and I felt it should be used at a critical time, not early on.
Morgo signed his own death warrant by revealing that early--if he survived the night, everyone would assume he was recruited and we'd lynch him anyhow.

If you had the role, you may have acted differently. I acted in what I thought was the innos' best interest. it made 0 sense for a medium to reveal to get a what's most likely a recruit killed.

[D'riss]

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

if you believed that i'm a witch, than yes, once I use my power, I become RI

same with D'riss, if he's tellingt he truth, lol

Is that good crack rock your smoking. How in gods green earth can you possibly think that we will think that you are a RI. I wouldn't trust my mom in mafia (she is devious in her old age) much less RI her. We have no CF cause you or dumber decided not to use your BP to make sure that we kept a revealed medium (nobody counter that day) alive. Kaschan's lynch can be called a direct result of that mistake.

Seriously Mockra/Driss which ever one of you is the true witch didn't you think that Fener might have something to say to Kesso that night. Didn't you think that for every day we kept him around would be a good day for the innocents. Cause it says in the rules that when the medium dies so does the bloody CF. Instead you just decide to blow your load over the weekend (Driss) cause that was a really good time to use it. End rant.


Edited for spelling

Calm down sunshine, I've already admitted it was a mistake, wtf can I do about it now?

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

@ D'riss
you're conveniently omitting that the "pressure" on me consisted of Ruse saying "you might be a symp"
and I announced that I have a role and I will reveal before your mini-case.

so, "symp cracking under pressure" theory needs some work... since your evidence is fairly weak.

I stated it wasn't the best evidence in the world but you still felt the need to reveal (falsely I still claim).

[Mockra]

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

ahem
I stated why I revealed
not knowing that night 3 lack of kills was due to another witch, I assumed the cult/scum/inno distribution to be 4:2:6

in this situation, a poor lynch would lead to a cult victory.
I felt it necessary to bring that fact to people's attention, and to explain why I think that, required a reveal.

You do know that the cult need to be majority over EVERYONE...not just the innos

So a bad lynch would make it 4:2:4...

still fine cause its essentially 4:6

bad lynch would give necros ability to recruit another night
making it 5:2:3
which is one lynch away from a loss

This post has been edited by Mockra: 28 January 2009 - 04:02 PM