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Mafia 38: Haunted House Massacre (Game thread)

#181 User is offline   Thyrllan 

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:06 PM

View PostSerc, on Jan 19 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

I don't know which of you is Grief, which one is Ment, and which one is Lish, but I want to vote you all.

Sometimes, I hate Mafia.


I wish I could tell you.
But I cant.
So i'll just sit and chuckle evilly.

#182 User is offline   Mockra 

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:10 PM

I'm JA

wait, what?

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:11 PM

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

ok, where are you getting tunnelvision from?
lol, ffs, we're 6 hourrs into day 1,6 people haven't posted at all yet, some of those who did only did so to tell us they won't be on for a while.

you honestly expect to find a "slip" by scum in the first 5 hours?
lol, the only time that's ever happened was when a killer pretended to be drunk at the end of a day and people read too much into it and jumped tot he right conclusions for the wrong reasons (i.e., 100% by sheer luck)

most of the time Day 1 lynch hits an inno.

so far the only interesting tings we've heard was the supposed "killer reveal". I find it difficult to take that seriously.
you being symp-like all over the place jumps out, because like I said, you and Omtose are top posters.

Well, the tunnelvision bit is the bit about you attacking only one person.
You voted Meanas for lurking, and after that, it has only been me, essentially.
Thats what tunnelvision means. You accused me of jumping about solely to attract attention. And then essentially drew even more attention to me by only attacking me.

Who else do you suspect?

And just because we don't often find scum day one, is no reason we shouldn't look, or attack who we find suspicious.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:13 PM

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

I'm JA

wait, what?


Thats reason enough for me, quick, get him!

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:13 PM

well, you know, I just got here, gimme a break, :harhar:

i'll get to attacking other people soon enough

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:16 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

ok, where are you getting tunnelvision from?
lol, ffs, we're 6 hourrs into day 1,6 people haven't posted at all yet, some of those who did only did so to tell us they won't be on for a while.

you honestly expect to find a "slip" by scum in the first 5 hours?
lol, the only time that's ever happened was when a killer pretended to be drunk at the end of a day and people read too much into it and jumped tot he right conclusions for the wrong reasons (i.e., 100% by sheer luck)

most of the time Day 1 lynch hits an inno.

so far the only interesting tings we've heard was the supposed "killer reveal". I find it difficult to take that seriously.
you being symp-like all over the place jumps out, because like I said, you and Omtose are top posters.

Well, the tunnelvision bit is the bit about you attacking only one person.
You voted Meanas for lurking, and after that, it has only been me, essentially.
Thats what tunnelvision means. You accused me of jumping about solely to attract attention. And then essentially drew even more attention to me by only attacking me.

Who else do you suspect?

And just because we don't often find scum day one, is no reason we shouldn't look, or attack who we find suspicious.



you know, for someone who claims half his votes were joke ovtes, you don't recognise them too well..

I guess I should've put a smiley of some sort after "stop lurking" thing

but yes, imagin what: THAT was a joke vote.
voting for you was the vting for the first mildly suspicious person off the topp of my head.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:17 PM

View PostEmurlahn, on Jan 19 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 05:08 AM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!


He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?


the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.


Like Serc, this bothers me a bit. Symp much Kesso?

Vote Kessobahn


..urm.. what?

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

huh
all right then, remove vote

Summoning was succesful anyhow

Thyr has already changed his vote 4 times, maning he's clearly lynch happy.

vote Thyr


When did it become a bad thing to want a lynch? The lynch happy claim is a ridiculous argument to use on day 1 as we all want a lynch and we have next to no information to go on.


View PostThyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

View PostSerc, on Jan 19 2009, 06:26 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 05:08 AM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!


He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?


the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Middle-of-the-roading, boys. I don't like it, but its not actually a scum tactic, not all the time anyway.
Kessobahn, seems to be like thats a bit of symping. "Omtose is a strong player... and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today." That's not only middle of the roading, its keeping the attention on him in a subtle way, making us watch him, and making Kess seem like he's posting solid content. Of course at the same time we should just "ignore it". While I can see Omtose being guilty, the only time any "suspicious post" gets scum lynched Day One is when its a drunken post
Vote Kessobahn

Ok, you want a gamestyle problem.
Here we go. This is your vote. Probably your most contentful post so far.

So, first you've said he's middle of the roading. Then you've said thats not actually that suspect.
Then you attack him for what is essentially middle of the roading.

You say it keeps our attention on him:

Not particularly. No more so than any time someone attacks someone a bit. Its not as if he's making us tunnel-vision on him or something.
In fact, the votes you've cast on Kesso have done a lot more attention grabbing, for you and kess. Is that a bad thing?
You think someones suspicious, you say so, people look at them. yes, it gets them a bit of attention. Again, im not really complaining cause its not stopping us looking at other people aswell.

Makes him look like posting solid content: Cant say it does for me tbh. To me, as you point out, it just looks like middle of the roading.

So, the middle of the roading thing, as you say, isnt always scummy.

Then you've attacked him for attacking someone. Yes he says ignore it. To me, it isnt saying "Look at omtose" followed by "Ignore omtose". It reads more "Look at omtose, I find him suspect" followed by "This particular post may as well be ignored"

And you've essentially latched on, and drawn a lot of attention to kess.
Wait, isnt that what was scummy about kess in the first place?


Why am I middle of the roading? I am telling you what I think, and I am trying to make clear the what I think most likely and what I see as counter arguments or doubts. Anyone who claims to be convinced of guilt day 1 are clearly either idiots or lying. I could easily have yelled OMTOSE IS EVIL WTF!!!11 but what would've been the value of that? I would do nothing more than start a yelling match trying to see if I can yell loud enough to get people to follow me. I don't think that benefits us. I think it is better that I show you why I voted yet also make it clear I'm not just telling you to vote because I say so. I want you to see my doubts and consider whether you think they are relevant and substansial enough to merit not voting for, in this case, Omtose.

I believe what we need is a discussion going, not a yelling match. You can feel free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.


When that's said, Emurlahn is hardly acting like an innocent right now. I am sorely tempted to change my vote

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:20 PM

Remove vote
Words of wisdom, Kess.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:20 PM

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:20 PM

I'm quite happy with my vote at the moment. I feel that barely active players need lynches. I still think that keeping them around gives no real clue as to what they're trying to do, whereas keeping a top poster around keeps the thread going, as well as providing evidence that can be used for case construction. Unfortunately at the moment, that leaves several people. All of whom I'm more than willing to lynch at the moment.

*tries to summon non-posters*

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:22 PM

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...


Dunno, its not impossible.

Post 1: Im drunk.
Post 2: Im scum and anomandaris is my partner.

Its hard to tell form few posts, but thats the problem with low posters. If we just ignore them, and scums there, we lose.
We judge on the merits of the posts, and they did seem fairly scummy(or at least one did. Thats 50% all posts scummy).

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:24 PM

View PostGalain, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

I'm quite happy with my vote at the moment. I feel that barely active players need lynches. I still think that keeping them around gives no real clue as to what they're trying to do, whereas keeping a top poster around keeps the thread going, as well as providing evidence that can be used for case construction. Unfortunately at the moment, that leaves several people. All of whom I'm more than willing to lynch at the moment.

*tries to summon non-posters*


I think you perhaps aren't accounting for time zones.
The more scummy behaviour, imo, is the people obviously awake, yet still making few posts.
If they haven't made a post 7 hrs into game, thats not very surprising, really.

Edit: And now no-ones talking :harhar:

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 19 January 2009 - 06:25 PM


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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:29 PM

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

When did it become a bad thing to want a lynch? The lynch happy claim is a ridiculous argument to use on day 1 as we all want a lynch and we have next to no information to go on.

I couldn't agree more.


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...


There we go again. Sigh.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:30 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

View PostGalain, on Jan 19 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

I'm quite happy with my vote at the moment. I feel that barely active players need lynches. I still think that keeping them around gives no real clue as to what they're trying to do, whereas keeping a top poster around keeps the thread going, as well as providing evidence that can be used for case construction. Unfortunately at the moment, that leaves several people. All of whom I'm more than willing to lynch at the moment.

*tries to summon non-posters*


I think you perhaps aren't accounting for time zones.
The more scummy behaviour, imo, is the people obviously awake, yet still making few posts.
If they haven't made a post 7 hrs into game, thats not very surprising, really.

Edit: And now no-ones talking :harhar:


that's because you smell

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:31 PM

View PostOmtose, on Jan 19 2009, 07:29 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

When did it become a bad thing to want a lynch? The lynch happy claim is a ridiculous argument to use on day 1 as we all want a lynch and we have next to no information to go on.

I couldn't agree more.



AHA!

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:32 PM

View PostMockra, on Jan 19 2009, 07:20 PM, said:

wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can say someone's not "acting inno" from only two posts...


If two posts is what they've contributed then they will be judged on those and those alone.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:41 PM

Ok I'm back from a haircut and notice that I am being attacked here. So let me explain why I voted for Kesso.

The converstation that I quoted was talking about the killer reveal from Omtose. Kesso says that Omtose appears guilty in the first post. HP agrees wih Kesso. Then the line that I bolded. Kesso is telling us to ignore the reveal. To me, I was thinking the Kess is symping Omtose.

I was trying to make a case.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:46 PM

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

I believe what we need is a discussion going, not a yelling match. You can feel free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.


ok. Discussions are good, and I am willing to listen.

remove vote

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

Wow, much ado over nothing ...


@Galain: It's way, waaayyy to early to start talking about posting frequency. It's seven hours into the game, and the board was down for a while around what should have been the start time. Some people probably haven't even logged in yet, much less posted - I just got out of bed, myself.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:55 PM

Forgive my laziness, but RL issues mean Im a little preocupied. Who hasn't posed yet?

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