[Silanah]

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night
11 votes for a lynch so it didn't prove anything o.o

[Ruse]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night
11 votes for a lynch so it didn't prove anything o.o

erm...did you not read my previous post?

[Path-Shaper]

Notice the devious but grammatically correct

"9 vote for X" where "vote" is a verb and not a noun.

[Galain]

Is there any value to innocents of figuring out who has double votes? I can see how it would be useful for a necromancer as they would be good people to recruit, but I don't see how it would help innocents, unless people think it likely that one of the double voters is a symp, and even that isn't that much help.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 08:52 AM, said:

Is there any value to innocents of figuring out who has double votes? I can see how it would be useful for a necromancer as they would be good people to recruit, but I don't see how it would help innocents, unless people think it likely that one of the double voters is a symp, and even that isn't that much help.

you mean besides lynching someone by mistake?

[D'riss]

Galain, on Jan 23 2009, 08:52 AM, said:

Is there any value to innocents of figuring out who has double votes? I can see how it would be useful for a necromancer as they would be good people to recruit, but I don't see how it would help innocents, unless people think it likely that one of the double voters is a symp, and even that isn't that much help.

Thats a tricky one. The Executioner has a double vote and we obviously don't want him revealed. However a symp can also have an executioner role and we obviously want those revealed. So basically it comes down to WIFOM and I haven't answered your question at all. So I'll shut up now

[Ruse]

I feel there is a very strong possibility that team phsyco has a double vote symp.
Makes sense to balance out there being a cult running around.

Anyways...I see yesterday a few people were very cavalier with their votes and fener was close or even at L-1 a few times when were where still waiting for him to come back and defend.
I think in future we need to be a bit more careful when it comes close to the L-2/3 mark than what we have been.

[Silanah]

The psychopaths wont have a Executioner as there are twins of them. The only possibility of an executioner being on the Killers team would be if they both were on that team which in my eyes, would make them too powerful

[Ruse]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

The psychopaths wont have a Executioner as there are twins of them. The only possibility of an executioner being on the Killers team would be if they both were on that team which in my eyes, would make them too powerful

aaah...missed that.

Wonder what the dynamics of the twins will be like if one of them gets recruited.

Oh...and welcome to the game sil

[Ruse]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 17 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Executioner: Actually, your actual name is “bully” but nobody ever got the nerve to inform you of this. Loud, obnoxious, opinionated, people tend to agree with you just to get you to shut up. The Executioner’s vote counts for two in any lynch train.

Twins: Born together, you do everything together. You even have the same costume. The Twins can communicate off-thread at all times.

erm....i thought i was right.

Twins are a separate role from the executioner

[D'riss]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

The psychopaths wont have a Executioner as there are twins of them. The only possibility of an executioner being on the Killers team would be if they both were on that team which in my eyes, would make them too powerful

Ruse, on Jan 23 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 17 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Executioner: Actually, your actual name is “bully” but nobody ever got the nerve to inform you of this. Loud, obnoxious, opinionated, people tend to agree with you just to get you to shut up. The Executioner’s vote counts for two in any lynch train.

Twins: Born together, you do everything together. You even have the same costume. The Twins can communicate off-thread at all times.

erm....i thought i was right.

Twins are a separate role from the executioner

Right, that "executioner is a twin" thing came out of nowhere I thought. So to be clear, we have no proof at all that the executioner is a twinned role, correct?

[Silanah]

Well I assume they are twins as there is 2 of them and they did vote on the same train at the beginning which means they may be communicating.

[Silanah]

Ok, here is my case on Kaschan the necromancer. This case is going to be from after day 2 considering he might have been a recruit on night one so any information earlier might be considered irrelevant except maybe a change in play style.

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

That's me done for the day and as I couldn't get the stoopid phone working last night, I will see you all again tomorrow.

PS Thanks to whoever told me that post 720 was where I needed to go if I had no interest in the Iliad. Saved me hours this morning smile.gif

I thought I'd be sensible and read it all anyway, just in case dry.gif What an idiot.

I see the pissing-contest has finished, which is nice. Never good to read that shit, especially when you've still got about 200 posts to get through!

Now my brain is fried, but I will re-read the Korlat case again. So far I hadn't had him on my radar much.

Other people on the radar - I get the vibe off of Tennes, but only because people who post so little are so damn hidey! I thought that Mockra was very uneager to defend himself when he came on (said he was busy, etc)... don't know whether that's because he is inno and didn't really care, or because he's one of those players who just give up once they are caught out as scum.

Anyway, i should be around a bit more tonight.

Raises suspicions on Mockra and Korlat but doesn't actually make any attempt on a case. I see this as driving any suspicions towards his fellow necromancers onto others.

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:01 PM, said:

In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.

I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.

This is the biggest indication of scum behaviour I've seen from Korlat, I have to agree with Thyr. Trying to lead the flock towards more innos is a typical scum move.

It is still early in the day, and Korlat has a few votes already, so I'll not put one on just yet. This case is less strong than the Serc case yesterday, imo, and that one was wrong tongue.gif

Also gonna do a quick re-read of Mockra, for reasons stated.

Thyrllan raises suspicion on Korlat and he follows without posting anything relevant expect being a hypocrite by saying leading the flock towards more innocents.

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Well, you've either just outed a creature, or CI'd two players tongue.gif I'm not sure that ruse anagram is all that hot tbh (although it works better if you take the first e, rather than the last one biggrin.gif)

Silanah appears to have RL issues which mean he can't add any content.

Well I'll do him a favour then...

vote Silanah

Cos you can't just post nothing all game.

eta. cross post.

remove vote

I'm off to bed. If Silanah hasn't made that case by the time I get up, I'm putting the vote back on. Nighty night.

Little bit vote happy about lynching low posters as he know they are not of his cult, happy to prolong members of his cult dieing.

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 02:35 AM, said:

Tennes, you're not the only one who has other commitments. But you post nothing of use. Nothing. It seems like you're hiding, or you are scum with nothing to say.

I'm off to work, and like Tennes, I won't be back for some time, but let's see if I can get a little more content into my post.

vote Tennes

See you all later.

Back to lynching low posters once again without posting much reason other than Tennes posting no content

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

Woooah, some action! While Kessobahn was a bit hasty to reveal today, I can't honestly see him doing that unless it was real. I mean, you'd have to be a dumb-ass to try and get away with that.

Fener did post a code (although you'd have to really stretch the definition of the word "code"), but that's really the only scummy thing he's done.

So, is Fener a necro? I wouldn't have thought so, but shit, our way is clear. Either Fener is a necro, or Kessobahn is a liar, so we have our classic lynch-one-and-find-out scenario.

However, we should wait for him to come on and post a defence. Plus, I do agree that he's more likely to be a recruit than a full necro... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch him tongue.gif

I will leave my vote until closer to deadline (or until he defends himself), as we seem to have two double-voters in the midst somewhere.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally.

Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive.

And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.

Mods, do the recruited learn the name of their masters?

If so, we should look through Fener's posts for clues if/when he comes back necro.

This is where he starts to get scared considering Kess has seen through Fener's lies. Brings up an issue of Kess being a lier, trying to sway the train but does not vote for Kess as that would seal his fate. Says he will leave his vote until closer to deadline which he never does as he hopes it wont come to a lynch.

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

Right, ok, that puts Fener at L-2, which could conceivably actually be a lynch with the double-voters. The guy hasn't been on since the reveal, so we should be careful not to speedlynch him here. There's still a good 4 hours left in the day.

Saying we should not speedlynch him considering he wishes to derail the train from his fellow necromancer.

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

Yeah, likely thing is we're just going to lynch Fener. But seems a bit rushed to lynch him without a response, if we have the chance to wait.

Having said that, haven't seen him on in a while so I reckon he's just given up the ghost and is avoiding the thread. That's what I do when I'm scum and been found out tongue.gif

eta. corrs post.

Definite weirdness. Day one - claim killer, then disappear. Day 2, vote random person when there is a massive lynch target to be addressed. Maybe Omtose is not really paying attention.

Continues his attempt to stop a fast lynch.

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 02:19 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 23 2009, 03:50 AM, said:

Anyways, Kesso was making a case for Kaschan before he got snuffed, which makes me very suspicious ... especially since it made sense.


Vote Kaschan

Pfft, what? How does it make sense? Kesso got info from Emu, that's how he knew about Fener. He never had shit on me, and he said so himself.

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.

He had nothing but gut on me, and I have no idea why, but Korlat seems convinced? First post in the new day and he drops a vote on me with no evidence. Not much I can do to defend against that, really.

Though I am now more suspicious of Korlat. He could be undead trying to sheep-herd, or he could be a psycho trying to strike while the iron's hot and keep us from looking at possible killers (i.e. him).

But then, that's just my gut, and not enough to lay a vote this early in the day.

I'm off to work in about ten minutes and won't be back on until tonight.

The morning after, knows his life is up for debate and attempts to derail back onto Korlat who he has had suspicions about before but has not constructed a case on because there is none to be found.

Thats what I could put together from everything he has done since day 2. Kess was correct on Fener which leads me to believe he is correct on Kaschan. He had not contributed much over the past day to any discussion about Fener's case as he did not want to disrupt the peace. I believe this is enough evidence to convict him and his necromancer ways. Let us lynch him and watch his brethren try to defend him and derail onto others but do not get convinced of their lies.
Let us see if he shall give up and disappear like a ghost as he said he would being the scum he is.
Post whatever issues you feel there are with this case or any more incriminating evidence.

Before I forget
Vote Kaschan
The necromancer shall be undead no more.

[Ruse]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:42 AM, said:

Well I assume they are twins as there is 2 of them and they did vote on the same train at the beginning which means they may be communicating.

When you assume you make an ass.....well you know the rest.

[Silanah]

Ruse, on Jan 23 2009, 04:49 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:42 AM, said:

Well I assume they are twins as there is 2 of them and they did vote on the same train at the beginning which means they may be communicating.

When you assume you make an ass.....well you know the rest.

When I assume I make an ass out of you not me, I know

[Ruse]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:52 AM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 23 2009, 04:49 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:42 AM, said:

Well I assume they are twins as there is 2 of them and they did vote on the same train at the beginning which means they may be communicating.

When you assume you make an ass.....well you know the rest.

When I assume I make an ass out of you not me, I know

very amusing

I dunno if your assumptions are correct, having 2 executioner twins is rather a large chunk of voting realistate for any side to have.
4 votes is rather over powered.
I would guess the innos have one and the symp is one.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 23 January 2009 - 10:00 AM

[Silanah]

Time for me to sleep it seems, dead thread is dead
Have fun boys and girls

[Omtose]

Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 10:42 AM, said:

Well I assume they are twins as there is 2 of them and they did vote on the same train at the beginning which means they may be communicating.

Or it was the popular thing to do...

I think paired, communicating Executioners would have been smarter than that - if they are twinned and there are 'only' two of them, they gave away an important piece of information day 1 - namely, that there's two of them. There were plenty of willing voters for Serc, and they could far better have spread their votes, one on, one off, thus making teams evil jump to the wrong conclusions when analysing the lynch trains, looking to eliminate/ recruit a role that will be an incredibly powerful tool in the end-game.

[Galain]

So we know that there are at least 2 executioners, but I'm not sure that one has to be a symp. Having 2 innocents with the role is possible, and hence I don't really agree with trying to figure out who they are at the moment. I'd also like to point out that I hope they don't do a stupid reveal because it doesn't help any innocents.

[D'riss]

Sorry, I am I missing something here? Where the hell did this twinned executioner theory come from? I've seen nothing to suggest that anywhere.