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more from the StalkEmulhan:

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Ok, I am moving back to my dorm now so will be online for 3-4 hours.

I haven't picked up much more than 1) thinking Kesso isn't our symp 2) Mockra might be symp.

For the nk though, we need to be unpredictable. We can't have the Necros converting our kills. They can choose 1/6 of the people rounded down, so they can choose 3 people to target. We can't choose those 3, thus the unpredictability.

MockraMent has some thoughts:

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ARG

what's wrong with people in this game? since when are we okay with vote-hoppers? Please tell me i'm playing with a bunch of modcrafters right now who don't know the rules of Malazan mafia.

Fener=Stalker. I've also glanced Venge's peculiar posting style somewhere in there. . Serc=The Dude, the hate for me is too obvious. Korlat=Kurt. The person with fried router is prolly alt...

I know my role entitles me to be pretty quiet and attract NKs, but if this idiocy persists, i'm gonna have to get loud.. which will probably see me lynched.

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More from the Necro-YellowKaschan:

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I don't think we should add ourselves to the list tonight. I think the chances of one of us getting NKed are slim as anything, we should be maximising our chance of recruiting.

There's 17 of us, therefore we can only get 2 names on the list (1 for every six, rounding down... 17/6 = 2.8... i.e. only 2 names after rounding down).

So we shouldn't put ourselves on unless we have reason to believe we're going to get NKed, because that means we can't recruit!

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Bollocks! I can't count.

23 of us, 3.8... i.e. 3 on list, so you were right, sorry.

Still, I don't think we should put ourselves on tonight. Leaves us one space, and there's 21 other players, so we would have a 1/23 chance of recruiting that person. If we don't put ourselves on, then we have a three-fold chance.

Those are still shitty odds, though, I guess.

He's forgetting the Creature can kill, I think...

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OK, all yours Gavin!

I don't know if we put the killers too weak like Dibs is hinting at.

It's weak for a 23-player game, but since it's a 3-way game everyone is weaker than they would be normally. The killers have the innos against them, but not really the Necros. While the Necros have the killers against them, but not really the innos yet. As for the innos, they have 2 killing teams to deal with.

I think it's good as it is.

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Right back around.

From YellowKaschan

Kaschan said:

in all honesty, I'm pissed. What's your point?

Pluys, I noticed a mistake in my thing. Post. 1/21. Still shitty odds... although 1/7 sounds a lot better if we do the riptle thing. RIght, here's my htoughts.

1) Still can't find the GALAIN thing in Ruse's post, but fuck me that looks like a post with a code in it, you know? I am going to stay up all night until IO find it.

2) Assuming they're not worth looking at as killers, I think we should put on our list:

2.1) Ruse, because of meta. People will target him because of the meta, i.e. he has a high chaNCE OF DYIHNG. So we should put him on our list for the meta.

2.2) Ano. Can't remember why, but he writes in sentences so also meta.

2.3) Mockra, if he doesn't get lynched, because if he doesn't sgety lynched then he might get NKed because the ikillers want to fuck with our heads, so another high possibility

2.4) Galain, once again assuming my decoding skills are shite, because of meta once again.

SO I realise that two of those oare my top suspects for evil faction, so feel free to ignroe all of that

Their odds aren't that bad of dying. Playing it pretty conservative. They have the Creature out there hinting to them, they need to look for that, he's their symp. If they lynch today, thats 3/20 or recruiting, and they can narrow that down via guesswork.
Ruse is a good choice, he's on the block to be killed so looking good for a recruit.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 January 2009 - 01:01 AM

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Damn Morgy is on fire today, he's got both killers and one Necromancer, thats nice work if he can make it into something like a case.

Kessobahn said:

Right.. Lisheo is Thyrllan then
And on the rearead I noticed Ruse being dk, but I just put it up here aiming for symetry.

Hm.. suspicions so far.. I don't know.

Omtose is on the top but I am unfailingly suspicious of Tapper, so it's hard to say really.

Emurlahn too, for his weird ass jump on me earlier, and for that matter how he plays. He reminds me silencer when he's evil. I don't know, it just struck me as convenient. Also how he minimizes his posting and sort of lurks in and out of the shadows..

I want Liosan to be guilty but I'm not getting any wibes there yet.

Serc makes cases yet seems way too agreeable.. Could be Gem I guess, but it still seems suspicious. Also, Emu jumped in just minutes after Serc voting for me.

Then there's Fener, who's acting much like emurlahn is and gets the suspicious tag for the same reasons. I look for patterns more than slips.. It's how I roll

I don't think Thyrllan is evil. Mockra strikes me as a symp for now.. Hm, come to think of it.. There was some weird dynamic between Emurlahn and Mockra..let's do a re-read.. Ah yes, Mockra seems to be defending Emurlahn against my accusations because it is ridiculous to accuse someone of being guilty after only two posts.. Then, a bit later when I question this he claims, still a bit implicitly, that I've been too convinced in my accusations.. The whole thing is purely a defence of Emurlahn, which when I noticed it now really made me smile as it just is too contrived to be innocent. I think I've found a pair/symp-killer .. With how both emu and mockra are acting, I'm more inclined to pick the symp killer option..

Another odd thing I noticed on the re-read is dibs. He didn't give me a killer wibe as such, but there's something strange going on nevertheless. This isn't how DiBs plays. He's too restrained, almost... scared of being lynched day 1. He's never scared of being lynched day 1, not even if he's a finder! What does that mean? Is he another medium? The necromancer? Or is he a killer?

And here is MentMockra with his Night orders, I'll take it as his provisional. Night 3 a good choice.

Mockra said:

going off my own maths, in the miraculous occasion of me surviving that long (though i believe i'll be joining you in SH tomorrow, tbh), I want to mass-protect people on Night 3, if my BP is still intact by then

And finally Serc, giving his all now so I guess thats a lot more Spam. Nice for him to be wrong right off the bat

Serc said:

Mockra is DiBs or DK.

Ive finally sorted all my RL problems out, so Im a happy man.
Time to give my all to this game.

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And another provisional, this time from our Symp Guard

Tennes said:

can I mesmerize Serc tonight.

And from our Necro:

Fener said:

Is it at all possible that Galain is the creature? He could be sending us his Kill so that we'll know who to recruit. If they choose to use the BP tonight, we should DEFINITELY use the list on us and Ruse, because I don't think the BP affects us. I think for sure that Ruse should be on our list.

If they use the BP no one dies so it won't matter who they try and recruit...

And here from Vengy who I guess is a little busy, luckily his team doesn't need him today.

Meanas said:

Ok so I was crazy busy today even though I didn't have work. Sucked. Doctors appointment, had to drop the car off at the mechanic, then class. As neither one of my guys is in a tight position I am going to wait till I get to work tomorrow to get busy posting.

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So everyone checked in, excellent.

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Well I don't think I've seen Gamelon, but perhaps I've missed his appearance. But everyone else is. D'riss is really busy at work and won't be around much, but we'll see how that goes. I'd hate to Mod kill him so soon.

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Hmm, indeed I forgot Gamelon. Any sign of him? And do you have anybody in a waiting list?

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No one has asked for spoiler password so no waiting list. I might try and hunt down Gem, but I haven't seen her around. No sign of Peril since the 16th, he's one of the Modcraft guys I think. I've asked Twist if he knows Peril and to let him know the game is on, but not much else I can do. Which is a shame as he's the inno Guard, I'd hate to Mod kill him.

I've just sent a message to Gem and see if she's interested in being a backup. I'll give Peril/Gamelon another 12 or so hours I guess? How close to Modkill should we make it you reckon?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 January 2009 - 06:43 AM

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Tough call on that one, but I would replace him at the modkill mark, i.e. 36 hours. It's early in the game, there's no rush. Even if a player misses the whole first day, it's OK. With 23 players it's to be expected.

I have seen Tira (?) reading the thread, maybe you can ask him/her if they would be interested for a go. It's not the first time they follow a mafia game, I remember seeing them also in the Rome game.

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Sent a message to Tira as well, I'll see if he/she is interested. I'm off soon for a few hours so I'll leave it with you soon.
And from DKT

Ruse said:

Wasssuuuuuuup?

Been about a month since my last mafia game.
This should be fucn fun.

Just catching up from yesterday and im REAAALLLY struggling to not do the "post as i go" thing i normally do.
Doubt i will be successful in hiding my alt but i should hopefully at least fool a few people for like maybe....a day.

Anyways just checking in.

ciao

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From YellowKash, who apparently didn't read the Creature role properly:

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Is it at all possible that Galain is the creature? He could be sending us his Kill so that we'll know who to recruit. If they choose to use the BP tonight, we should DEFINITELY use the list on us and Ruse, because I don't think the BP affects us. I think for sure that Ruse should be on our list.

Hmmmm, that'd be some sly shit. I guess we have no real reason not to put ruse on our list. Although I think the creature can only kill once, so I'm not sure he'd use it day one. Plus, isn't he a day-vig? I'll have to check.

Rusetorode:

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Yup i suck at that, bloody nekkid posing.

Anyways....starting the day off with a monster posts (my fingers are sore)
lets see who takes the bate today for a bit of pokey pokey action.

heh heh, just notice "monster post" is rather fitting for this game.

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Hmmm, Gem doesn't seem to be interested to replace Gamelon if needed.

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LiosanDibs reacts to the thread:

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Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 19 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

Serc, on Jan 19 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

Because that was why Thyrllan originally voted me. Then Mockra attacks him out of the blue. I've only made the connection now that could be considered defending me.

Ahhh, I see. Ok, maybe. I'll think on it, I am really interested in why Mockra wants to kill the high posters though. Will wait on Mockra before I vote.

and how exactly do you draw THAT conclusion?
just because i say I first noticed a high poster as someone I may consider suspicious does not equate with me wanting to lynch (I don't kill, btw, only killers do that) the high posters

High posters are more memorable and we are more likely to recall them. that's natural.
As of right now, I don't want to lynch Thyr because he's top poster. My vote on him is because he's been changing his mind and jumping al over the place a lot.
It may not be the greatest reason, but I stand by my firm and time-tried assumption that no good case can come of day 1.

this strikes me as a symp clue to myself, referencing my case against omtose.

the heat on you is negligible, barely more than a whisper, dont even react to it is the best way to be a killer.

In the meantime, Morgoth keeps sniffing them out like catnip:

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reading what's happened since I went to bed I've come to a couple of conclusions.

Emurlahn is continuing to act like he's evil. I can't place who he is either.. Gavin perhaps? So it's a bit more difficult to say than if I knew it was Gem or something.. Still, he's clear on top of my suspect list. The problem is that I have no case as such to present at this point. It's all based on experience, or gut if you will. I'll have to be content with watching him carefully.

Fener too.. They're playing like their twins, Emu and him. I can't imagine they're teamed killers. It would be too dumb.. Still, either it's emurlahn or it's Fener I think.

unless they're from Modcraft and this is how they play over there.

Serc is.. odd.. but perhaps I merely reacted to him not liking me much

dk I don't think is evil. He's too agressive and doesn't pay enough attention to what he's saying. To my mind he is awfully calculating when evil. At the same time he's not posting in his usual on the fly sort of way, but whether he does that just to hide his identity for the hell of it or because he has something to hide is beyond me..

Still, DiBs is not posting. Take a moment to chew on that statement. DiBs is not posting though this is prime DiBs time. I think he's not posting to avoid attention. He won't be lynched day 1 (which is not uncommon for him) and I can't imagine anyone targeting him for a kill either (which is also pretty common that he is).. Now, in any other game DiBs wouldn't give a flying fuck about the risks, but if he was the killer, or the necro..

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HinterD'riss:

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This from Serc earlier

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Their creature can hint it in code or something. And Im assuming with 23 of us they get to block four tonight, thats a high chance of getting someone in fairness.
As we are going to get an inno down today in a lynch, lets face it, we could in all possibility be down four innos tomorrow.
I think if we have a witch, we might need our BP tonight, as I asked PS, and that would also negate recruitment.

Does this mean that every killer has a NK each night? So each Pscycho and the creature all get to kill someone?

Also a bit confused about the symp role. Do they know who the killers are, or are they just guessing like the rest of us and trying to set an inno up for lynching?

Cheers in advance
Hinter

He's right, I don't know where Liosan got the multiple killers thing.

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YellowKaschan :

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The witch BP should work on us, according to the wording.

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Witch: You like Halloween, it's the one night of the year you don't have to wear make-up to go out. Caught in the middle of this mess, you just want to get out, and if that means saving some innocent bystanders then so be it. The witch has one BP against night kill. However, the witch can decide at any night to extend her BP to everybody. When that happens, the killer's night kill fail no matter the target, and the BP is consumed.

But you know, there are shedloads of inno roles, so there's a good chance there isn't even a witch there.

Here's what I reckon our provisional should be:

1) Ruse
2) Anomandaris
3) Kessobahn

But apart from Ruse, they're hunches. I would stay away from Mockra or Omtose, because they look like getting lynched at some point. I wouldn't put us on there, because the chances of one of us getting NKed tonight is very slim (probably 1 or 2 in 21).

Anyway, see what you think.

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Gavin, I didn't think of this before, but do you think a killer-symp getting recruited would be game-breaking for the killers?

It's a tough call, since the recruits might not want the killers dead (after all, the more NKs, the more chances to recruit, and the earliest the endgame comes), but who knows?

One possibility would make the symps un-recruitable, i.e. if targeted for death, they die no matter what. It's not too late to make adjustments, I guess, as long as we make it clear and do it before the end of day.

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I wouldn't think it would be a game breaker for the killers since the Necro's really would want the killers alive for the recruiting. But yeah its a good point. The Creature is complicating things a little isnt it. Uhmm maybe make them unrecruitable is the best idea, and announce on thread that we forgot to add it. And then promptly delete these posts so no one will ever know Or we can just say in the recruiting post to the symps, your necro, but old loyalties still lie and you won't betray your old friends...


Nice to see Hinter is getting into it a little. Strange they all think there might be no witches, when we've actually got 2...

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Provisional from the Necro's sort of.

Kaschan said:

But you know, there are shedloads of inno roles, so there's a good chance there isn't even a witch there.

Here's what I reckon our provisional should be:

1) Ruse
2) Anomandaris
3) Kessobahn

But apart from Ruse, they're hunches. I would stay away from Mockra or Omtose, because they look like getting lynched at some point. I wouldn't put us on there, because the chances of one of us getting NKed tonight is very slim (probably 1 or 2 in 21).

Anyway, see what you think.

And here is Fener's reply. Why is he concerned if the BP is used everyone is safe.

Fener said:

Again, I'm only concerned about us IF the witch power is used,

Hmmm, why Ano?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 January 2009 - 12:06 PM