[tiam]

Basicly your trying to say that because their religous fanatics you beleive they dont follow the normal rules of victorios armies and because there cannibals. This is tru i suppose to a point but they are still all different. From what we know stonny attracted alot of male attemtion throught the book she probably caught the seerdomins eye. We know there not all utterly devoted to the seer (like tocs seerdomin who helped him) so this one probably still has different urges.

[tiam]

Your saying you cant see why they would pass their training? well the seerdomin are better fed and better treated. Thats a reason and its an alternative to the tenescowri. So as to the fact that it was a supernatural thing well the pannion seer was being manipultaed by the crippled god so the tenescowri and the seerdomin see him as a god and do what he wants and burn the land as their all canibals therefore food was uneeded (?). The seerdomin probably raped stonny due to his

Lust as shes meant to be attractive
Battle lust was upon him
He fancied doin it(its just that simple)
He did it because he could

Even if the pannion was incharge of every1 then the seerdomin coukld still do what they want all that way away from the empire.

Personally i think your reading to much into. The event was designed by Erikson to outlay the horrors of war and a good reason for gruntle to go psycho and kill the pannions. Therefore their is no higher calling. He probably did it because he could and no one would stop him.

[tiam]

yeh it was just a good reason to stir gruntle against the pannions. And it worked lets be honest:). But the way he wrote it down did make it a powerful scene i agree i myself studied the reasons behind then realised why am i doing this? its just a reason for gruntle to go mad

[Red_orbiT]

As I saw it, the "savage monstrosity of the pannions" were mostly in the tenescowri part of the army. The tenescowri were cannibals. Changed. But the other troops were not changed. The beklites seemed organised enough, but were chrushed by the malazan infantry. The skalandi were skirmishers, and skirmishing don't go well with mindless bloodlust(I think). The Urdomen and Seerdomin were elites, but not changed like the tenescowri. I think you can see the non-tenescowri pannions as rather ordinary soldiers.

[Trotts]

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course it does seem a bit odd that in the middle of a pitched battle that some dude would take the time for such an act, and then leave her be and go off

im pretty sure he didnt take the time to set the mood or try to build it with foreplay or anything. he wanted to break her, so he raped her and left her. im pretty sure he figured she was done with, her spirit completly shattered.

[Trotts]

maybe im mistaken, but it wasent really "in the middle of a fight"

stonny was off alone in a room, and the seerdomin just busted in on here

[Fiddler]

Well, it's a fact that battlefield rape has been with humanity as long as we've had battles. It's a rather unpleasant and totally disgusting fact, from what I understand it's a dominance thing, victor to victim. But it was easy to understand the way SE wrote it out imo.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I still don't understand why people are so reluctant to accept the battlefield rape thing, unpleasant as it may be, but if you insist on seeing a god's hand in it then K'rul is a way more likely candidate than Hood.

Hood doesn't seem the subtle manipulative type, whereas it was K'rul who brought about Trake's assumption of the title of Lord of War (and I see his hand in the reunion of Togg & Fanny). it's only natural to assume K'rul would help out Trake with his new Mortal Sword, and that he would do it in some roundabout yet shrewd way. you might even be inclined to consider the death of Harllo in this light too, depending on how all-knowing and manipulative you think K'rul is.

[Morgoth]

battlefield rapes happen all the time, in any army at any time in history. I am just unable to grasp how it would be difficult to believe that a soldier would take the time to rape a girl that tried to kill him in an almost patetich way.

I very very much doubt there was any god at all involved. Human bestiality was all that was need

[fan_83]

i agree with morgoth... once battle lust takes over and you get the feeling of all pwoerful .. anything will happen... humans are not the moralistic good guy that we are tought to believe... we are still animals... with a veneer of civility... scrape that away and rape and so forth will become the norm...

[tiam]

people dont need a reason to rape they just do it. soldiers have been doin it since the romans. they do it to scare people and because there soldiers and no one can stop them. The doesnt have to be a morale justification

[Whelp]

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I very very much doubt there was any god at all involved. Human bestiality was all that was need

I agree, that is what it comes down to. The inherent depravity of humans, and the basic urge to assert power/dominance over others.

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they do it to scare people and because there soldiers and no one can stop them. The doesnt have to be a morale justification

Not even so much reason as scaring people. Mainly they do it because they can, without any dire consequences to them. IMO that is the main reason why especially somebody like a Seerdomin would commit rape: he is only responsible to the Seer - who does not care for such mundane affairs. They are the least pressed by social code, as they stand above it.