[Ain't_It_Just_]

So far in the series every Jaghut ritual-Gothos', Ganath's and the unnamed sorceress in Lether-has crumbled. Is this because of other people's interference or do they fade with the passing of time?

[Aptorian]

Ain't_It_Just_, on Jan 11 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

So far in the series every Jaghut ritual-Gothos', Ganath's and the unnamed sorceress in Lether-has crumbled. Is this because of other people's interference or do they fade with the passing of time?

I tink you just answered your own question. It is because they are vulnerable to outside tampering and they fade with time.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

So...both?

[Aptorian]

Yup. Also there's a big difference between comparing the huntress imprisoning a Forkrul Assail and Gothos deepfreezing and entire continent for 400.000 years.

[Sindriss]

Just shows that no matter how mighty and powerful you are, your tampering with the world will fade away as time passes and you will be forgotten. It is truly a lesson so us all

[The Drum]

Does any one know what Gothos is looking for when he uses Nimander and co?

[Mcflury]

The Drum, on Jan 11 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

Does any one know what Gothos is looking for when he uses Nimander and co?

I'm guesing he was looking for a cube of sugar to put in his tea. Mad bugger

Serious though: no freaking idea... but you've made me curious now

[Aptorian]

Looking for is a weird phrase. As far as I remember he wasn't looking for anything.

He had been toying with the Azath for some time and when Nimander and co came along he saw the oppertunity to capture some pawns he could use later.

It's what gods and ascendants do, play their little games with the lives of mortals.

[The Drum]

Aptorian, on Jan 11 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Looking for is a weird phrase. As far as I remember he wasn't looking for anything.

He had been toying with the Azath for some time and when Nimander and co came along he saw the oppertunity to capture some pawns he could use later.

It's what gods and ascendants do, play their little games with the lives of mortals.

OK maybe 'looking' for something was the wrong phrase, but he did want Nim and co to achieve some task for him but they failed, even though he didn't say what the task was as far as i could tell.

[Aptorian]

The Drum, on Jan 11 2009, 05:26 PM, said:

Aptorian, on Jan 11 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Looking for is a weird phrase. As far as I remember he wasn't looking for anything.

He had been toying with the Azath for some time and when Nimander and co came along he saw the oppertunity to capture some pawns he could use later.

It's what gods and ascendants do, play their little games with the lives of mortals.

OK maybe 'looking' for something was the wrong phrase, but he did want Nim and co to achieve some task for him but they failed, even though he didn't say what the task was as far as i could tell.

It was nimander he wanted, probably because he sensed the ascendant/draconean soletaken blood in him.

I don't think he wanted to do anything with him at the present time, he was going to put him to sleep and pull him out at a certain point when Nimander could be usefull.

[HoosierDaddy]

The "death" of omtose phellack also plays a role in the sundered rituals.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

It's stronger now, though. Right?

[Sinisdar Toste]

well its being sustained within burn, don't know about stronger though, cuz theres only like a bakers dozen of jaghut left in the world, though perhaps with the wolves of winter awakened...?

[Aptorian]

I don't think that the number of jaghut matters. Omotose Phellack is world of its own. It was weakening because the Imass tore a ton of holes in it, meaning it was bleeding to death.

[Traveller]

Sinisdar Toste, on Jan 12 2009, 04:45 AM, said:

well its being sustained within burn, don't know about stronger though, cuz theres only like a bakers dozen of jaghut left in the world, though perhaps with the wolves of winter awakened...?

Winter is coming. Oh, hang on...

Yes Gothos did seem to be up to something with Nimander; he knew he'd get taken into the dragonblood/portal - bit unclear why he wanted him to, though.

He was certainly pissed that Nimander not only escaped, but helped the builder to leave too.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I didn't know the builder left.

[Mcflury]

Ain't_It_Just_, on Jan 13 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

I didn't know the builder left.

Euh... big tower... Nimander places last stone in it from the outside instead of the builder. Whenever the builder did that when Gothos was inside the tower disappeared somewhere with Gothos in it... Ow yeah, Nimander did the builder a favor

However, in RotCG there's this scene where Cowl and Skinner are walking around in Thyr and after they meet these Tiste Liosan they spot a big tower made of clay. They go to investigate, get it, and go stand in the way of that lightbeam (possibly created because there's only 1 stone missing from the whole structure). At that point a powerful entity comes buy and basically screams (talking in their heads) against Skinner "You are not he!".

My guess is that the strong entity was the builder, and he had been hoping Gothos came to collect yet another tower of his making, so the builder could hit Gothos in the face (as Nimander said he should do next time he sees him). Could I be right? And if not and that part's explained later in the book, don't say it please (or spoiler it). I just haven't finished RotCG yet

[Aptorian]

I don't think it's the builder. The tower was just that a tower. Cowl should know and recognise an azath just by its proximity.

[Hinter]

Mcflury, on Jan 13 2009, 10:19 AM, said:

My guess is that the strong entity was the builder, and he had been hoping Gothos came to collect yet another tower of his making, so the builder could hit Gothos in the face (as Nimander said he should do next time he sees him). Could I be right? And if not and that part's explained later in the book, don't say it please (or spoiler it). I just haven't finished RotCG yet

Certainly not the builder imho, this entity was something far more powerful and elemental (I'm looking at you, Father Light). The tower didn't display any of the usual attributes of an Azath either. There were no ground surrounding it, ready to swallow up the careless. Also, and I may be remembering this completely wrong, but isn't there a pretty standard internal layout in an Azath?

[Sinisdar Toste]

pretty standard yes, the T shaped hallway and towers etc etc. i think cowl got it right when he said that he thought the tower was used as a means of communication with kurald liosan, and they did indeed communicate with something...

i like how in that scene cowls scared shitless but skinner just steps up and says "you never know what you can do until you do it,"