[caladanbrood]

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

[Sir Thursday]

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

[QuickTidal]

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

The Badge isn't wrong....I'm convinced something really messed up timewise is happening, and explains the badge.

[Sir Thursday]

QuickTidal, on 12 May 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

The Badge isn't wrong....I'm convinced something really messed up timewise is happening, and explains the badge.

I thought Moffat admitted the badge was a mistake?

It's a pretty easy make, really - picture the scenario: they create this badge with the Rory's name picture and date of birth on the front. Suddenly, someone looks at the badge and thinks: "Hang on, it's more likely that a hospital would have Date of Issue as opposed to Date of Birth, right?" So they send it back to whoever prints these things out and tell them to change it to Date of Issue. But the drone who's doing it doesn't realise they're meant to change the date as well. Ta-daa!

And seriously, the second one just sounds like a continuity error. In such a ridiculously vast production, it's not hard to get a little thing like that wrong.

Also, it's not like there aren't plenty of plot holes in the series thus far (Weeping Angels moving, Doctor suddenly appearing in the Vampire school after previously finding it extremely taxing to do so, this despite having a teleporter, etc. etc.). The idea that Moffat is able to put in details as tiny as these, but then miss some fairly gaping plot gaffes is ridiculous to me.


ST

This post has been edited by Sir Thursday: 13 May 2010 - 12:03 AM

[caladanbrood]

I re-watched the Venice episode, and it is actually a lot better second time around. Still the editing seems dodgy, mind you.

Oh, also, regarding the statue... QT appears to be right. Prisoner Zero:

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[polishgenius]

caladanbrood, on 13 May 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

Oh, also, regarding the statue... QT appears to be right. Prisoner Zero:

The teeth fit Zero, but the statue has limbs where Zero obviously didn't. Maybe, though.


About the badge, I think it's unlikely that Moffatt's lying - the Angels episode did tell us that 'Amy's time' is 2010. Of course for a 900 year old timetraveller talking to someone from thousands of years who communicates with him by leaving messages for however many thousand years it was, a few years either way isn't a lot, and given that the first episode spanned fifteen years or whatever it was, another time-gap isn't an unreasonable assumption, but I think the whole tech level scenario and that makes it too unlikely.

[QuickTidal]

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 12 May 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

The Badge isn't wrong....I'm convinced something really messed up timewise is happening, and explains the badge.

I thought Moffat admitted the badge was a mistake?

It's a pretty easy make, really - picture the scenario: they create this badge with the Rory's name picture and date of birth on the front. Suddenly, someone looks at the badge and thinks: "Hang on, it's more likely that a hospital would have Date of Issue as opposed to Date of Birth, right?" So they send it back to whoever prints these things out and tell them to change it to Date of Issue. But the drone who's doing it doesn't realise they're meant to change the date as well. Ta-daa!

And seriously, the second one just sounds like a continuity error. In such a ridiculously vast production, it's not hard to get a little thing like that wrong.

Also, it's not like there aren't plenty of plot holes in the series thus far (Weeping Angels moving, Doctor suddenly appearing in the Vampire school after previously finding it extremely taxing to do so, this despite having a teleporter, etc. etc.). The idea that Moffat is able to put in details as tiny as these, but then miss some fairly gaping plot gaffes is ridiculous to me.


ST

Do you have a link or anything to Moffat saying the badge was a mistake? I'd not heard that.

I am more convinced now that Rory is from the past and has had something more to do with time traveling than he has let on...and the Doctor KNOWS it too...as is referenced by how he reacts to the inside of the TARDIS by being blase...that and the badge kind of allude to him being something of an anomaly...and perhaps Amy too...the Doctor seems to be very wary of the two still....hmmmmm...

[Traveller]

I only managed to watch this in bits, throughout the week. I agree with the lack of tension.. just giving actors pointy teeth means they can't speak, or really look that scary anyway.

I might of missed something, but how come the vampires/aliens were scared by the UV light, but were then running around in daylight?

[caladanbrood]

I think you were supposed to assume that the clouds were covering the sun




Latest episode was ok. Clever ending, but it seemed more or less pointless, in the scheme of the series, and the actual explanation for the entire thing was very very thin indeed. But still enjoyable.

[Use Of Weapons]

I liked the latest episode, but have a feeling that we haven't seen the last of the villain of the piece. The Doctor's throwaway remark about having accumulated a lot of darkness over his years might well be a foreshadowing of things to come.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Well, I'm still behind all your watchings, but I am positively and feverishly devouring season 2. Down to the last 2 eps and the preview bits from the eps before make it look effing brilliant. Something about real life and parallel universes merging somehow and the doctor getting captured by torchwood.

Also there was some mention of Bad Wolf being a virus that's corrupting historical info about the doctor....or something.

No idea. Don't spoil it please.

Having never been a regular watcher of the original series, the Daleks aren't particularly overused so far, and I'm still completely in love with them as a sci fi villain in general.

Cybermen 2-part episode was effing great too....the one with the blimps and the psycho guy trying to take over london.

The only one I've really, really disliked so far is the episode where the little black girl draws pictures of neighborhood kids because she's controlled by an entity that's trying to assemble a family to make it happy again...and there's a random picture of the girl's dead abusive father in the closet that fucks with everybody...and the cure was to find the entity's turd-sized spaceship and throw it into the olympic flame which wasn't only a heat source but a love source too....

Watched that ep last night and I want that hour back. Holy shit-sucking balls. There's sci-fi cheese and there's slow character-driven episdoes...but that one was just plain terrible, through and through. Plot, dialogue, vilain, resolution, fails all around.

TERRIBLE I say. It almost made me angry. Its like BBC had a "close your eyes randomly pick some shitty fan fiction off the Dr. Who forum" event and nobody had the common sense to say "pick another one".

[Sir Thursday]

cerveza_fiesta, on 19 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Well, I'm still behind all your watchings, but I am positively and feverishly devouring season 2. Down to the last 2 eps and the preview bits from the eps before make it look effing brilliant. Something about real life and parallel universes merging somehow and the doctor getting captured by torchwood.

Also there was some mention of Bad Wolf being a virus that's corrupting historical info about the doctor....or something.

No idea. Don't spoil it please.

Having never been a regular watcher of the original series, the Daleks aren't particularly overused so far, and I'm still completely in love with them as a sci fi villain in general.

Cybermen 2-part episode was effing great too....the one with the blimps and the psycho guy trying to take over london.

The only one I've really, really disliked so far is the episode where the little black girl draws pictures of neighborhood kids because she's controlled by an entity that's trying to assemble a family to make it happy again...and there's a random picture of the girl's dead abusive father in the closet that fucks with everybody...and the cure was to find the entity's turd-sized spaceship and throw it into the olympic flame which wasn't only a heat source but a love source too....

Watched that ep last night and I want that hour back. Holy shit-sucking balls. There's sci-fi cheese and there's slow character-driven episdoes...but that one was just plain terrible, through and through. Plot, dialogue, vilain, resolution, fails all around.

TERRIBLE I say. It almost made me angry. Its like BBC had a "close your eyes randomly pick some shitty fan fiction off the Dr. Who forum" event and nobody had the common sense to say "pick another one".

Actually one episode since the return of Doctor Who did in fact incorporate a monster designed by the winner of a competition on Blue Peter (Children's TV show). But it wasn't that one. I'll leave you to guess which one you think it is .

ST

[Sir Thursday]

QuickTidal, on 15 May 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 12 May 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

The Badge isn't wrong....I'm convinced something really messed up timewise is happening, and explains the badge.

I thought Moffat admitted the badge was a mistake?

It's a pretty easy make, really - picture the scenario: they create this badge with the Rory's name picture and date of birth on the front. Suddenly, someone looks at the badge and thinks: "Hang on, it's more likely that a hospital would have Date of Issue as opposed to Date of Birth, right?" So they send it back to whoever prints these things out and tell them to change it to Date of Issue. But the drone who's doing it doesn't realise they're meant to change the date as well. Ta-daa!

And seriously, the second one just sounds like a continuity error. In such a ridiculously vast production, it's not hard to get a little thing like that wrong.

Also, it's not like there aren't plenty of plot holes in the series thus far (Weeping Angels moving, Doctor suddenly appearing in the Vampire school after previously finding it extremely taxing to do so, this despite having a teleporter, etc. etc.). The idea that Moffat is able to put in details as tiny as these, but then miss some fairly gaping plot gaffes is ridiculous to me.


ST

Do you have a link or anything to Moffat saying the badge was a mistake? I'd not heard that.

I am more convinced now that Rory is from the past and has had something more to do with time traveling than he has let on...and the Doctor KNOWS it too...as is referenced by how he reacts to the inside of the TARDIS by being blase...that and the badge kind of allude to him being something of an anomaly...and perhaps Amy too...the Doctor seems to be very wary of the two still....hmmmmm...

http://www.filmschoo...-doctor-who.php

Start at 6:24 (although the whole interview is pretty interesting).

To paraphrase, for those who can't be bothered:

Interviewer: Amy Pond. When?
Moffat: Difficult question, that.
Interviewer: Weird anachronisms.
Moffat: Oh really? And what are they?
Interviewer: Badge. 1990.
Moffat: Oh, I'll be honest with you, that was just a mistake, I didn't even know about that.

ST

[caladanbrood]

 

cerveza_fiesta, on 19 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Also there was some mention of Bad Wolf being a virus that's corrupting historical info about the doctor....or something.

No idea. Don't spoil it please.

Having never been a regular watcher of the original series, the Daleks aren't particularly overused so far, and I'm still completely in love with them as a sci fi villain in general.

Bad Wolf is awesome, and quite unexpected


The Daleks are pretty well used, I think. Maybe a little bit too over-used in later series, but early on they're pretty much perfect.

[cerveza_fiesta]

caladanbrood, on 20 May 2010 - 11:08 AM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 19 May 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Also there was some mention of Bad Wolf being a virus that's corrupting historical info about the doctor....or something.

No idea. Don't spoil it please.

Having never been a regular watcher of the original series, the Daleks aren't particularly overused so far, and I'm still completely in love with them as a sci fi villain in general.

Bad Wolf is awesome, and quite unexpected


The Daleks are pretty well used, I think. Maybe a little bit too over-used in later series, but early on they're pretty much perfect.

I think I like them so much because they're so very borglike....No reasoning with them...just EXTERMINATE

So sweet.

The distorted digitized voices are so ridiculously over the top too. Somehow it actually delivers though, and makes them actually kinda scary.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Double POST!!!

Saw the end of Season 2 on friday. Very impressed. EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE - DELETE DELETE - EXTERMINATE.....hilarious.

The resolution and ending of the Rose character was handled extremely well. Idea behind the void ship and the tears in the universe were also very sweet. Bad wolf resolved, torchwood explained. All in all a very satisfying conclusion to that season. Very stoked to get on to season 3 now.

[Apsalar]

I watched The Hungry Earth on Monday. It was ok. A large part of me wants the Doctor to take Nasreen as a new companion, but I know it won't happen.

One thing that's been sort of popping up in the episodes is the idea that time can be rewritten, and that gets sort of juxtaposed with him being the last of the Time Lords and how much that hurts. They had better not reverse the Time War or I will do violence.

[QuickTidal]

Sir Thursday, on 19 May 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 15 May 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 12 May 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 May 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on 11 May 2010 - 07:39 AM, said:

I've got to be honest, the Venice episode was disappointing. Maybe it was because it followed the weeping angels, but there was absolutely no sense of danger or menace at any point, from really slow walking girls who never actually attacked anyone. And a lot of the action and editing seemed quite clumsy. Things just happened without a huge amount of justification, and it seemed like they might have cut out a scene or two that they shouldn't have.
On the plus side, Rory is fun, and having 3 in the tardis for a while will be a nice change, as well as helping to avoid the slightly repetitive format

I agree with you about the tension of the main plot, but the banter/interactions were good enough to redeem the episode in my eyes. Plus that "THIS IS SPA...I mean, WE ARE VENETIANS!" bit was awesome .

@QT: I thought the statue on the balcony was supposed to be a representation of one of the Fish people from the episode. Also, I'm not sure we can depend on Moffat being 'meticulous about every detail' when he got that badge thing wrong from before .

ST

The Badge isn't wrong....I'm convinced something really messed up timewise is happening, and explains the badge.

I thought Moffat admitted the badge was a mistake?

It's a pretty easy make, really - picture the scenario: they create this badge with the Rory's name picture and date of birth on the front. Suddenly, someone looks at the badge and thinks: "Hang on, it's more likely that a hospital would have Date of Issue as opposed to Date of Birth, right?" So they send it back to whoever prints these things out and tell them to change it to Date of Issue. But the drone who's doing it doesn't realise they're meant to change the date as well. Ta-daa!

And seriously, the second one just sounds like a continuity error. In such a ridiculously vast production, it's not hard to get a little thing like that wrong.

Also, it's not like there aren't plenty of plot holes in the series thus far (Weeping Angels moving, Doctor suddenly appearing in the Vampire school after previously finding it extremely taxing to do so, this despite having a teleporter, etc. etc.). The idea that Moffat is able to put in details as tiny as these, but then miss some fairly gaping plot gaffes is ridiculous to me.


ST

Do you have a link or anything to Moffat saying the badge was a mistake? I'd not heard that.

I am more convinced now that Rory is from the past and has had something more to do with time traveling than he has let on...and the Doctor KNOWS it too...as is referenced by how he reacts to the inside of the TARDIS by being blase...that and the badge kind of allude to him being something of an anomaly...and perhaps Amy too...the Doctor seems to be very wary of the two still....hmmmmm...

http://www.filmschoo...-doctor-who.php

Start at 6:24 (although the whole interview is pretty interesting).

To paraphrase, for those who can't be bothered:

Interviewer: Amy Pond. When?
Moffat: Difficult question, that.
Interviewer: Weird anachronisms.
Moffat: Oh really? And what are they?
Interviewer: Badge. 1990.
Moffat: Oh, I'll be honest with you, that was just a mistake, I didn't even know about that.

ST

Excellent, thanks for the linkage!

[QuickTidal]

cerveza_fiesta, on 25 May 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

Double POST!!!

Saw the end of Season 2 on friday. Very impressed. EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE - DELETE DELETE - EXTERMINATE.....hilarious.

The resolution and ending of the Rose character was handled extremely well. Idea behind the void ship and the tears in the universe were also very sweet. Bad wolf resolved, torchwood explained. All in all a very satisfying conclusion to that season. Very stoked to get on to season 3 now.

Series 3 is pretty good on the whole...get's better as the story arc for that season gets going later on. Martha is good, but as my gf likes to say, she's no Rose. Also series 3 contains one of the very best episodes by current series showrunner Steven Moffat, BLINK....and the last 3 episodes of series 3 are very good indeed. Enjoy!

Just wait till series 5 though....SO good!

[cerveza_fiesta]

sweet.

Yeah, Sweet they're playing up how the Dr. is all depressed about rose and that they haven't just written her out of the Dr's character completely.

I would certainly argue martha is the hotter of the two. Much nicer bum.

Probably going to get flamed for that.