[Fener]

Kaschan, on Jan 8 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

... oh yeah, it's not too hard to alt you at this point ...

You might be suprised. lol.

[Fener]

Hello, Masterblue, sorry we killed you, good game though. For a noob!

[D'riss]

Fener, on Jan 8 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 8 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Silanah (Masterblue) has died. He was of the Republican faction.

You're all idiots. Fuck's sake. You traded a known for an unknown, and now the Julii have an even bigger advantage.

I just want you to know, I fucking hate this bullshit. People who aren't around until night falls, and then hop on after reading the thread, and call everyone idiots for doing something really really really is fucking lame. You weren't here, Day almost had timed out anyway, and you apparently wouldn't have made the deadline anyway, so keep your trap shut. All this does is make you look like a dick who thinks he could have changed everything if only we would have waited for you to get on. And in case you can't tell, it has already happened so we can't go back and change it now can we? As for the rest, Thr is a unanimous lynch tomorrow so what the fuck does it matter as long as the Julii lose one tomorrow. Hell, maybe we'll even turn around and go on a julii killing spree, but fucking stop with the drama qeen bullshit, please. Sorry if that was too harsh, but fuck I hate that shit, were this a regular game, I would have pegged you as scum.

Shut up, Fener. I was here for a solid 12 hours yesterday building cases on Thyrllan and convincing people to vote for him.

That train got to L-3, before people derailed it. Have you been reading the thread?

I get back from 12 hours of work today to see that after all that work yesterday, the lynch has been derailed and a non-Julii has been lynched, so don't give me that shit.

[Path-Shaper]

Let's keep it civil.

I have no problems with swearing as long as it isn't directed at a specific person... we've got new players and old grudges here, that's a flammable combination.
May I instead suggest that you all do some angerventing in the direction of SH instead, we like the PMs

And yes, this is an attempt to nip the risk of tempers flaring in the bud, pre-pre-pre-emptive as it may be.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 08 January 2009 - 09:25 PM

[Korlat]

Ampelas, on Jan 9 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 8 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Well, Emurlahn voted in the end, so either Ampelas has a double or there's a silent voter.

Guess we'll need to hit a Julii tomorrow then...troubling

Err... are you confusing me with Kess?
Or are you talking about another train?
I am on the Silanah one btw...

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10 players have voted for Silanah (HP, Shadow, Kessobahn, Korlat, Fener, Ampelas, Rashan, Kaschan, Galayn Lord, Emurlahn)

Sorry, don't know how I missed you. In that case, it must be a silent voter, because the exact same people (with the exception of Thyrllan) are on both trains.

[Fener]

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

I get back from 12 hours of work today to see that after all that work yesterday, the lynch has been derailed and a non-Julii has been lynched, so don't give me that shit.

Ok, back to a civil tone. I understand your frustration. Really I do, but what is really the point of hoping on calling the lot of us idiots and acting like your shit doesn't smell. Yes I read the thread, I was here while it was being written, thats why I switched my vote. Hind sight is 20/20 mate, but theres no point in doing what you did. Sorry if that last post was harsh, but why not come on and say "I worked really hard building the lynch train! Who derailed it! I am going to go look. Why the fucking idiots bit, makes you look like you think you have super powers and could have swung the vote back onto Thyr, but you weren't here, so why bitch about it. Tomorrow we lynch thyr then move on. Fair enough?

[Fener]

Korlat, on Jan 8 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

In that case, it must be a silent voter, because the exact same people (with the exception of Thyrllan) are on both trains.

Now that is interesting, what are the odds of the exact same people NOT voting for the supposed Julii? Hmmm.

[D'riss]

Maybe you stop and think why you changed your vote, instead of going "ho hum, what a shame, oh well"

A lot of people have been played over the past two days. Why can a confirmed Julii not get lynched? Who is preventing it? Stop commiserating with yourself and do something about it.

I've already quoted the HP and Shadow posts that started the derail and push onto Silanah. Why not comment on them? i.e. start thinking

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Maybe you stop and think why you changed your vote, instead of going "ho hum, what a shame, oh well"

A lot of people have been played over the past two days. Why can a confirmed Julii not get lynched?

Keep in mind that lynching Thyrllan has the threat of fulfilling a Julii win condition, and possibly providing them with recruiting capability if MA can't already recruit. That has swayed my thinking, though I've been back and forth a bit. Won't be deterred tomorrow, though, if he's still alive (and the lack of NKs is still ... surprising).

[D'riss]

Remembered these posts from HP, because of the bolded parts.

Hood's Path, on Jan 7 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

HP, Thyr is not impotent. He knows who is in his faction - this in itself is not impotence. If Marc Anthony dies, we won't get anything other than "Julii" from the CF, so we will be forced to lynch Thyr anyway, just in case.

So, what happens in that case is that Thyr will have had the chance to recruit in the meantime, meaning that we will lynch Thyr but their number would have already grown.

Add to that the fact that if you're wrong with your thoughts on Silanah (which you have no case for), then either Bruts or Reps will be down another... and by that point, it may not even be possible to lynch Thyrllan due to weight of numbers, because Reps and Bruts are already a man down each, and nobody knows what kind of balance (or imbalance) there was in the first place.

All of these things tell us that we should lynch Thyrllan. How can you trade a known for an unknown in light of that?

I see your point, and like I said, I will switch to Thyr if need be. I do have a case on Silanah, fine... i'll go put it together again.

Also note, everyone is roled. I am basing some of my decisions on knowledge I have. Your "unknown" might not be unknown to me

Hood's Path, on Jan 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

HP, think about it: you've just said that we need to kill Thyr as soon as we kill a Julii, or they will take advantage.

But if we wait to kill him, he could have recruited an extra player in that time.

So we must lynch him first. Come on, man, you must see the sense in that?

We need to lynch a Julii, and Thyr is a confirmed Julii.

Like I said I am basing my decisions off of knowledge I posses. Your arguments, though they make sense to you... are ireleavant. I know you can't trust me and I don't expect anyone else to. The Thyr lynch is to easy. We gain no information from it. We lynch him, he's dead, he's octavious, he's Julii. Boom. back to day 1. Its so early in the day, I want to explore other options, apply some pressure elsewhere. We can't pressure Thyr... he has nothing to hide except the numbers and names of his faction and he's certainly not giving those away. We're taking the path of least resistance here. I don't like it. It's to easy.

Also, D'riss you are assuming that MA can recruit. What if he can't? What if the Julii are stalled till one of them is dead? Then by lynching Thyr we are bringing about the very scenario that is freaking you out right now. It opens the Julii recruitment process. Its a catch-22 in that regard. If you think MA can already recruit then you probably want Thyr dead. If you don't think MA can recruit then there is no way we should lynch Thyr till we get a Julii CF. From the looks of the voting it seems the majority think he can recruit.

HP used this "information", which he never divulged, to get a non-Julii lynched. Looks suspect to me.

[Shadow]

lol
this is funny
I also wrote yesterday that HP going along with me like that was freaking me out.
you conviniently don't quote that part, hmm?

I already explained my motivation--I didn't think that Julii could recruit while both their leaders lived. this gave us some leeway when looking for potential other Julii

now, however the situation's getting to thepoint where I really don't like the numbers. so Thyr must go.

Edit: changed Shadow to HP to actully make sense,

This post has been edited by Shadow: 08 January 2009 - 09:50 PM

[Ruse]

Ok again... that win condition argument is total bullshit basically. Il agree with the danger of maybe allowing MA to recruit though. but for any of the factions to win they have to be the last faction left so whether thyrllan is lynched now or then it doesnt really matter at all. The main thing thats making me undecided in whether to lynch him or not is the possibility we can use him to kill screw over the rest of the julii by just targetting him with any NA and his bodyguard will take the hit.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jan 8 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Maybe you stop and think why you changed your vote, instead of going "ho hum, what a shame, oh well"

A lot of people have been played over the past two days. Why can a confirmed Julii not get lynched?

Keep in mind that lynching Thyrllan has the threat of fulfilling a Julii win condition, and possibly providing them with recruiting capability if MA can't already recruit. That has swayed my thinking, though I've been back and forth a bit. Won't be deterred tomorrow, though, if he's still alive (and the lack of NKs is still ... surprising).

Two days in a row, the Julii avoids a dead-bolt lynch. I'm sure your thinking was swayed... by someone. Can you remember who?

[Ruse]

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 09:48 PM, said:

Remembered these posts from HP, because of the bolded parts.

Hood's Path, on Jan 7 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

HP, Thyr is not impotent. He knows who is in his faction - this in itself is not impotence. If Marc Anthony dies, we won't get anything other than "Julii" from the CF, so we will be forced to lynch Thyr anyway, just in case.

So, what happens in that case is that Thyr will have had the chance to recruit in the meantime, meaning that we will lynch Thyr but their number would have already grown.

Add to that the fact that if you're wrong with your thoughts on Silanah (which you have no case for), then either Bruts or Reps will be down another... and by that point, it may not even be possible to lynch Thyrllan due to weight of numbers, because Reps and Bruts are already a man down each, and nobody knows what kind of balance (or imbalance) there was in the first place.

All of these things tell us that we should lynch Thyrllan. How can you trade a known for an unknown in light of that?

I see your point, and like I said, I will switch to Thyr if need be. I do have a case on Silanah, fine... i'll go put it together again.

Also note, everyone is roled. I am basing some of my decisions on knowledge I have. Your "unknown" might not be unknown to me

Hood's Path, on Jan 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

HP, think about it: you've just said that we need to kill Thyr as soon as we kill a Julii, or they will take advantage.

But if we wait to kill him, he could have recruited an extra player in that time.

So we must lynch him first. Come on, man, you must see the sense in that?

We need to lynch a Julii, and Thyr is a confirmed Julii.

Like I said I am basing my decisions off of knowledge I posses. Your arguments, though they make sense to you... are ireleavant. I know you can't trust me and I don't expect anyone else to. The Thyr lynch is to easy. We gain no information from it. We lynch him, he's dead, he's octavious, he's Julii. Boom. back to day 1. Its so early in the day, I want to explore other options, apply some pressure elsewhere. We can't pressure Thyr... he has nothing to hide except the numbers and names of his faction and he's certainly not giving those away. We're taking the path of least resistance here. I don't like it. It's to easy.

Also, D'riss you are assuming that MA can recruit. What if he can't? What if the Julii are stalled till one of them is dead? Then by lynching Thyr we are bringing about the very scenario that is freaking you out right now. It opens the Julii recruitment process. Its a catch-22 in that regard. If you think MA can already recruit then you probably want Thyr dead. If you don't think MA can recruit then there is no way we should lynch Thyr till we get a Julii CF. From the looks of the voting it seems the majority think he can recruit.

HP used this "information", which he never divulged, to get a non-Julii lynched. Looks suspect to me.

Now that is a very good point. He did make it seem like he knew for a fact that Silanah was Julii and now it turns out he isnt. But that seems like a bit of a silly move as its obviously gonna come back and bit you

[Shadow]

Ruse, on Jan 8 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Ok again... that win condition argument is total bullshit basically. Il agree with the danger of maybe allowing MA to recruit though. but for any of the factions to win they have to be the last faction left so whether thyrllan is lynched now or then it doesnt really matter at all. The main thing thats making me undecided in whether to lynch him or not is the possibility we can use him to kill screw over the rest of the julii by just targetting him with any NA and his bodyguard will take the hit.

The mods told us that bodyguard doesn't save from a lynch

[Ruse]

I never said it did. That should be kill/ screw over as im assuming theres probably some killers around somewhere even though we didnt get any deaths last night.

[Shadow]

there may be.
i wouldn't count on it, however.
if Thyr's alive tomorrow, I'm going for him, barring some additional info.

[Ruse]

Yeah Thyr should definitely go tomorrow there isnt really any major reason to keep him alive, and as we know he's julii and cant possibly be anything else he's a safe lynch

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 01:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 8 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Maybe you stop and think why you changed your vote, instead of going "ho hum, what a shame, oh well"

A lot of people have been played over the past two days. Why can a confirmed Julii not get lynched?

Keep in mind that lynching Thyrllan has the threat of fulfilling a Julii win condition, and possibly providing them with recruiting capability if MA can't already recruit. That has swayed my thinking, though I've been back and forth a bit. Won't be deterred tomorrow, though, if he's still alive (and the lack of NKs is still ... surprising).

Two days in a row, the Julii avoids a dead-bolt lynch. I'm sure your thinking was swayed... by someone. Can you remember who?

No one. Silanah was my original pick for a Day 2 lynch, with my opening vote. I changed to Thyrllan when no one seemed to be following suit, as I didn't want to waste my vote - and besides, I'd let myself get sidetracked Day 1 by the whole Rashan business. I switched back to Silanah simply because that train had more momentum, and I wanted to kill a Julii one way or another - and time was running out on the Day, so the train with more speed was better, from my point-of-view.

It was a mistake to lynch Silanah, but it wasn't necessarily a mistake to not lynch Thyrllan, based on the information we had. Serc probably would've been a better option.

[Fener]

Alright, well, I am gone for a while, I'll check in from time to time, but waiting on night to end sucks. Until then.