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Who is the Wolves's mortal sword?

#1 Scarecrow

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:46 PM

Just finnished reading tBH and noticed that the Perish seem to be similar to the Grey Swords from MoI except they are devoted to Togg & Fandarey. Now they have a Shield anvil, destriant and mortal sword, but didn't Toc the Younger becong the wolves's mortal sword in MoI? Or did I just get confused somewhere?

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 01:05 PM

I brought this up myself back in my early days

the general consensus is that because there are two Wolves, they can have two Mortal Swords. Toc is Togg's Mortal Sword, and the Grey Helm's one is that of Fanderbender.

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 01:07 PM

thought the same thing, sorry didn't know it was already brought up.

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 02:16 PM

Scarecrow, on Dec 19 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

thought the same thing, sorry didn't know it was already brought up.

Absolutely no problem, Lisheo brought this up a long time ago and we're here to discuss things even if they have been inevitably mentioned before. The thing is not everyone will have heard it and some degree of repetition is certainly acceptable

We are hear to discuss things which come to mind or perplex us, it would be a different issue for example if there was a thread talking about the same thing ongoing but anything which doesn't fit that bill is okay to start a new thread about. So as I said, no need to apologise!

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 07:11 PM

Note that there are two holders of each title, always one male and one female.

The Grey Swords had Toc as Mortal Sword, and the unnamed female officers as Destriant and Shield Anvil.

The Perish had the female Mortal Sword, and the other two were men (sorry, can't remember their names).

This jibes nicely with the Wolves ruling jointly as a male-female pair.

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 08:15 PM

Dolorous Menhir, on Dec 19 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

Would've made more sense if one of the three in each army was actually a hermaphrodite

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 10:28 PM

Can someone tell me if the roles of Mortal Sword, Destriant and Shield Anvil are 'jobs for life' or is the role only given when actually required? If there is no wars for them to fight, are the roles filled?

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 10:34 PM

There's always wars.

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 10:39 PM

Lisheo, on Dec 19 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

There's always wars.

Yeh i know, the Malazan Book of the Fallen would be pretty boring if everyone got along

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The reason i ask is cos i'm sure i read somewhere in MoI that the role of 'mortal sword' for example had been empty for hundreds of years prior to the Grey Swords current one

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 10:53 PM

They just didnt know about the mortal sword, I suspect. Bear in mind that Wu isn't the only planets with possible human candidates...

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 04:43 AM

Hate to rock your boats but there's also the Enka'ral from HoC which takes over the body of a 15-foot Toblakai warrior and becomes a champion of the Wolves.

But who's to say you can't have more than one champion, or even more than one Mortal Sword?
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worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 11:19 AM

D'rek, on Dec 20 2008, 05:43 AM, said:

Spoiler

I've wondered what happened to the Enka'ral/Toblakai dude. You'd think he/it would have made some noice by now.

Actually,

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 02:23 PM

D'rek, on Dec 20 2008, 04:43 AM, said:

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The Enkaral-Toblakai became Champion of the Beast Hold, not Champion of the Wolves of Winter.

These are not the same thing.

it's the same difference between being the Mortal Sword of a god, and Knight of a High House.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 03:26 PM

I suspect the Enkaral guy is actually one of ICE's plots. SE suggested he is finished with 7C. Its entirely possible that Mr Enkaral Champion will show up in the final convergence, but that would be a little random, methinks.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 03:36 PM

Dolorous Menhir, on Dec 20 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

Does the Beast Hold still exist? I thought that when the Wolves of Winter took the throne, the Hold was transformed into High House War.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 06:52 PM

Urizen, on Dec 20 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Does the Beast Hold still exist? I thought that when the Wolves of Winter took the throne, the Hold was transformed into High House War.

I'm not sure about High House War replacing the Beast Hold. Even the existence of HH Ware seemed a bit hazy.

Even if that was true though, the distinction would still stand. The Enkaralakai would be a member of the High House, which is different from being an instrument of a god.