[Mockra]

and now your trying to frame tennes saying hes obviously a ghost. so one of the other suspects, SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP SYMP

[D'riss]

Ohhh what a mess.

Two players that could be evil even if we trust their own reveals (which I do) duking it out, and fighting for/against one of the unknowns. Emur said he had already a find on Korlat, but he never said what the result was.


I agree with one thing that is conflicting, though: Emur, are you claiming you were blocked last night or not?


edit: actually, he said he got "no result". How he can conclude that Tennes is a ghost from that is beyond me, unless he's still trying to say Mockra is not really a guard.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 11 December 2008 - 09:18 AM

[D'riss]

So, Mockra, you didn't guard Emur last night, you guarded Korlat, right?

[Mockra]

D'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 09:19 AM, said:

So, Mockra, you didn't guard Emur last night, you guarded Korlat, right?

right but i blocked emur the night before and he got a result. now he is sayign he didnt but i guarded korlat. i think he is either the day vog or there is another guard who blocked me. I do not believe he is peck. that he is tryign to clear korlat, our supposed healer who mysteriously made it through night while a joe schmoe died is beyond me.

the way i see it, if theres another guard they need to come forward asap, our cis are getting wiped out. also if the real winston would come forward that would help too cause otherwise you lot are gonna ci korlat and after emur's bullshit that would be a bad thing to do.

come on a gb revealed and they took out omtose?

the pressure was on korlat rashan and tennes yesterday and they day vigged ruse???

now emur - who i guareded the night before says he got a result then but was blocked. and got no result last night but wasnt. and tries to ci korlat??

BULL SHIT.

[Mockra]

8 of you are still alive (Rashan, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Tennes, Fener, Mockra, Emurlahn)

5 votes to lynch or go to night

2 votes for Rashan: Kessobahn, Korlat
1 vote for Mockra: Emurlahn

5 people have not voted: Rashan, D'riss, Tennes, Fener, Mockra


8 of us left. two ci left for me, fener and kess(even though you are having a bloody stinker kess)

driss - VPI in my book after lynch of gozer.

rashan - targetted by my suspects (VPI for me)

me - if guarded last two nights i am still evil.

tennes - getting framed by emur (vpi - possibly a guard)

emur (lied about finder result yesterday, lied again today, killer or day vigger - possibly keymaster)

korlat ( scum of the highest order, lied about being gb and 'cleared' by symp today - possibly zul)

The way i see it the guard needs to come forward, if you come on and say you guarded me it means emur could be peck and that korlat wasnt guarded last night, this makes korlat the killer. if i wasnt guarded then korlat cant be the kilelr and emur isnt peck so emur or rashan are probably zul.

tiem to reveal boyo.

[D'riss]

So basically you suggest a full reveal? Well, I'm not too keen about that. I doubt anyone buys Korlat's "winston" reveal and would CI him based on that.

If you argue Emurlahn lied about being guarded, then it's Tennes he's protecting, not Korlat. Tennes and I were the two natural "investigation" targets, so if he said he investigated someone else he would have been in deep shit. I still don't believe him, and I find his explanation on why he wasted a find on HP, a proven RI, dubious.


edit: cross-post, took me a while to think of that short post

I'm not the missing guard, for what it's worth.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 11 December 2008 - 09:38 AM

[Korlat]

Woah! Slow down there Mockra! FFS! Winston if you show your face I am going to be pissed off!!!!

But before all of this gets outta hand:

I am Janine.
I am a goody.
I am the GB's Secretary.

That is all that is contained in my role pm (and if it that to close to the original and I get modkilled well so fucking what! Its not like there is much I can change it to), I do not know who the GBs are and I have no powers. I claimed Winston in the hope I might get NK'ed, you don't want to believe me fine.

[D'riss]

... and another "reveal" with minimal pressure.

FFS, stop panicking people! It makes your "reveals" less likely to be true in my eyes, if anything.

[Korlat]

Actually fuck this! Mockra, over the past 2 days your play style has changed completely.

Remove vote
Vote mockra

Because if you guarded me as you claimed and your mechanics work as you have claimed then I know you are evil, that and the fact that you have just exploded as you have has me wondering why you are so certain all of a sudden.

D'riss, I am not sure where you sit atm, but what are your feelings towards the numbers atm? If we have 2 scums and mockra as evil then lynching me is game over for the Innos. However if we can agree that there are only 1 scum then I am willing to let you guys lynch me.

Right now though, I feel that our wildcard has got himself an alignment and he is trying his best to win the game for the scum.

[Korlat]

D'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

... and another "reveal" with minimal pressure.

FFS, stop panicking people! It makes your "reveals" less likely to be true in my eyes, if anything.

With minimal pressure.... the last couple of days, I have not been able to post when I actually wanted to, because the board kept dying on me.

So I am revealing now, while I can.

[Mockra]

Korlat, on Dec 11 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

Actually fuck this! Mockra, over the past 2 days your play style has changed completely.

Remove vote
Vote mockra

Because if you guarded me as you claimed and your mechanics work as you have claimed then I know you are evil, that and the fact that you have just exploded as you have has me wondering why you are so certain all of a sudden.

D'riss, I am not sure where you sit atm, but what are your feelings towards the numbers atm? If we have 2 scums and mockra as evil then lynching me is game over for the Innos. However if we can agree that there are only 1 scum then I am willing to let you guys lynch me.

Right now though, I feel that our wildcard has got himself an alignment and he is trying his best to win the game for the scum.

revealing a fuckign gb this late in the game then sayign you lied is horsehit, its just plain ridiculous cause your just begging for the real one to come out. The fact you werent killed speaks volumes, and then emur comes on this morning and mixes up his supposed blocks etc and says your inno all of a sudden. Why wouldnt i be sure, you have proved you were lying and soemone else i think is lying is trying to CI you.

Lynch me all you want, but your days are numbered korlat, you and emur made a fuck up. If you werent team evil then how come a finder and a healer survived two nights in a row when two confirmed RI's bought it?

explain that genius.

[D'riss]

Korlat, on Dec 11 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

D'riss, I am not sure where you sit atm, but what are your feelings towards the numbers atm? If we have 2 scums and mockra as evil then lynching me is game over for the Innos. However if we can agree that there are only 1 scum then I am willing to let you guys lynch me.

Right now though, I feel that our wildcard has got himself an alignment and he is trying his best to win the game for the scum.

I honestly don't know. You basically just revealed "roleless roled inno", which could or could not be true. Maybe it's just a way to explain why you were not part of the "RI" secret handshake group.

Right now I wait and see for a counter-reveal if any. Whether or not that happens, once thing for sure is that there's a load of bullshit on thread so far today, we jsut have to figure out if there's a logical way to figure out from whom, of if we'll have to get messy.

[Mockra]

D'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

... and another "reveal" with minimal pressure.

FFS, stop panicking people! It makes your "reveals" less likely to be true in my eyes, if anything.

they are panicking cause they are beat. start of yesterday we had effectively pinpointed the killer to one of three people korlat, rashan and tennes. When the RI's werent buyign into lynching me emur revealed. Now if there is no other guard that means emur was pure bullshit cause i blocked him the night before and of course he came ont his morning and said he was blocked which means he was bullshitting yesterday (proven by his own admission).

When it looked like we were still going for one of those three a day vig appeared, now as rashan was the target of the lynch we can specualte that

a - rashan is a day vig and used the kill to save himself

b - the kilelrs had a day vig and used it to save rashan because he was one of them

c - the killers used a day vig to save rashan so they could vote him off this morning easier.

what happened then last night, korlat revealed as winston, now he reveals as janine. and this mornign first thing he did was vote for rashan, with our ci kesso jumping feet first in as well. emur votes for me, making a slip up about his role and ci'ing korlat.

so to me we still have the same three peopel as last killer rashan korlat and tennes, but the way tennes spoke after the reveal of emur makes me think if there is a guard its him. korlat had no reaosn to reveal, if innos the killers had much better targets as he was a possible lynch. so out of the three i think he is evil, and emur ci'ing him makes me evenmore sure

[Korlat]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

revealing a fuckign gb this late in the game then sayign you lied is horsehit, its just plain ridiculous cause your just begging for the real one to come out. The fact you werent killed speaks volumes, and then emur comes on this morning and mixes up his supposed blocks etc and says your inno all of a sudden. Why wouldnt i be sure, you have proved you were lying and soemone else i think is lying is trying to CI you.

Lynch me all you want, but your days are numbered korlat, you and emur made a fuck up. If you werent team evil then how come a finder and a healer survived two nights in a row when two confirmed RI's bought it?

explain that genius.

Where did emurlahn say I was inno?
And why would I believe him anyway? I find his whole, I got guarded or I found a ghost result to convenient myself. And what is this about 2 nights? I jokingly fake claimed guard on night 1, I then fake claimed winston/healer last night. At no point have I asked the real GBs to step forward.

As for Emurlahn, I have suspected him since before the Kaschan lynch. Right now I feel you are going apeshit because you are evil and the day kill on Ruse has not taken any pressure off him.

[D'riss]

One thing for sure:

I can't remember any interactions between Emur and Korlat in the game so far, and both were missing from the Kaschan lynch.

Also, both revealed wayyy to early in the day to be a save-your-ass reveal, and in the case of Emur I have trouble believing the bad US government guy could be a finder. A vig, a guard (since he's arresting people in the movie), but not a finder. Plus, he's a villain. Emur's reveal sounds like he got this idea on how to "twist" his role for good, and quickly went ahead with the reveal.

BUT: at the same time, that's slightly paranoid, and tends to distract us from our earlier targets. But then again, this can happen and be a good thing, it's called "more information".


Hmmmmm.

[Mockra]

Korlat, on Dec 11 2008, 09:57 AM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

revealing a fuckign gb this late in the game then sayign you lied is horsehit, its just plain ridiculous cause your just begging for the real one to come out. The fact you werent killed speaks volumes, and then emur comes on this morning and mixes up his supposed blocks etc and says your inno all of a sudden. Why wouldnt i be sure, you have proved you were lying and soemone else i think is lying is trying to CI you.

Lynch me all you want, but your days are numbered korlat, you and emur made a fuck up. If you werent team evil then how come a finder and a healer survived two nights in a row when two confirmed RI's bought it?

explain that genius.

Where did emurlahn say I was inno?
And why would I believe him anyway? I find his whole, I got guarded or I found a ghost result to convenient myself. And what is this about 2 nights? I jokingly fake claimed guard on night 1, I then fake claimed winston/healer last night. At no point have I asked the real GBs to step forward.

As for Emurlahn, I have suspected him since before the Kaschan lynch. Right now I feel you are going apeshit because you are evil and the day kill on Ruse has not taken any pressure off him.

oh distancing then? well we can vote off emur and see what happens.

remove vote

vote emurlahn

he says he investigated you earlier and cleared you as ri or some such nonesense.

[Korlat]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

he says he investigated you earlier and cleared you as ri or some such nonesense.

Please show me where? I only saw a post where he tells us he has a result on me, I never saw him reveal it.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 10 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Oh, interesting.

Well, we can see it this way: out of the two (Emur, Mockra), right now, one of them is good roled and one of them is evil roled. Lynching them both guarantees we kill a scum, and a good role.

But since Slimer is a guard and there was a kill, then neither of them is the missing killer, so maybe we can let them both be for now and focus on the missing killer?

Well, I think one reason why Mockra doesn't want me to reveal, is because my night action worked last night. So, ladies and gents, we have ourselves a liar.
My role is both trivial and not trivial. It's not trivial once I understand exactly what it does, but it is trivial up until then. I think if I reveal, the killer probably can't ignore me, so I'd buy the GB another day.

you claima finder is a trivial role.

Emurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Oki, I'm Peck, from the US Environmental protection agency, send to investigate the crisis.
Yes, that's right, I'm the little bastard who got the GB arrested and was then referred to as Dickless by one of the GB (had a youtube moment there), but I'm a Goodie none the less(and even if you refuse to believe that, the fact that I'm human means I don't have to be eliminated). I'm a Finder.

You spot the trouble, neh?
Peck was adamant in refusing to acknowledge ghosts and the need for the GB to be around and fighting them.
So, maybe I am an insane finder, but if so, who do I identify as what? There are 3 categories I think: normal human beings, paranormals, and GBs.

If insane, I'll spot GBs as bad guys, but that still leaves the ghosts, that I refuse to believe in...
Last night, I seized the opportunity to investigate a known RI (so VPI) and see how they came up, so I investigated HP.
He came up as 'not being involved in unpleasantries'.

That's all I wish to say for now. I'll also say that I have a person who gave a 'was causing problems' result.

EDIT: to paraphrase and not get suck into clause B7

you claim finder but at the same time you say you may be insane, people arent told they are insane finders what would be the point you just look at the opposite of what you got. this is such bullshit reveal. Oh peck was adamant he didnt believe in ghosts?? is that what it says in your pm or are you just guessing here emurlahn? Yet investigating a RI comes up not being involved, and let me guess korlat wa causign problems???

Emurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 08:01 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Haha reading the double-post heavy is funny.

Emur, I get your point, in which case please keep your "involved" find secret.

I found you suspect with your attitude during Gozer's lynch yesterday, and that hasn't changed that much. Why did you reveal so quickly? We were still discussing things, you didn't even have a vote on you.

For someone that claims finder, which is quite of a role, I find this... unnatural. And until now, both Gamelon's and Kaschan's plays which I found unnatural turned out to be scummy.

Hmm.

Still, I believe you're Pecker, even though I'm not convinced you're playing purely for town. In any case, that makes you not killer.

Should we look somewhere else, then, Rashan, or Korlat, for example?

I revealed for 4 reasons.
1) to let people know there's a finder, but with a 'less than crystal clear' result. We have a large crowd of claimed RIs around who all identified each other, but we had no way to thin out the remaining group, aside from elemination by lynch. I now offer a less than perfect alternative.
Sure, I can be NKed, in which case, well, the GB isn't killed.

2) to gauge reactions and see who says what in response to a finder reveal.

3) to counter Mockra's claim he guarded me, when somehow, he didn't. I judged that valuable info, seeing how's an important fixture of the game right now, and has been since his reveal.

4) seeing how I had a non-inno find, that person now knows I'm watching (out for) him, and that may lead to a slightly different playstyle that may provide clues in and off itself. Also, if I reveal who I did finds on, and with which results, I can probably speed up play a bit and have us less stumbling around.

Lastly, I'm not sure what the day-kill means, and whether the killer planned it all along, but it looks to me like he wants to make haste with his killings, seeing how we're catapulted into night when there was heat on Rashan and there was a finder reveal. Right now, I'm having the fingers of one hand crossed that the killer is getting nervous, and the other into a warding sign against impending death

Altho, as Peck, I should say that it probably is a lightshow only

so you have a non inno find but you dont reveal it yet you hinted on it and thread.

so your reveal is as finder.

you say you got an inno result on a known inno.

you say you got a guilty but dont reveal it.

Korlat, on Dec 10 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

Actually cancel my provisional. If Emurlahn is telling the truth we need him alive.

So:

Heal Emurlahn

Even if he thinks I am scum, if he is our finder, we need him around, I just hope I am not making a big mistake.

~Winston out.

then we have our fake gb claim. admitted fake as well.

Emurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 10 2008, 09:29 PM, said:

Wondering why the scum did not kill the 'finder' in the day kill? Obviously the only guaranteed kill they will get? Why an unknown like ruse? I find that strange.

He may hope I vpi him. It's not going to take a genius to realize that my find is going to be on either Korlat, D'riss, Tennes or Rashan, as they are the unknowns and the killer is hiding amongst them. It also does not take a real good reader to realize that at least 1 previous find might be on one amongst them, as HP was the first certified RI I targeted. The question is: do I or do I not recognize ghosts, and if I don't, are they recognized as inno's?

Say, for example, that I have a result on the killer as an inno because I'm unable to recognize ghosts, and I reveal that. He would NK me then, for I have served my purpose and given him what he wants to hear.

why would the killer hope you vpi him, you have cleared a roleless inno and said you have a guilty result? well where is it? cause if its korlat he has since admitted to NOT being a ghost buster.

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 07:08 AM, said:

Didn't receive a result for my night action, so I'm quite curious as to what Mockra has to say.
With the Gatekeeper, the big evil overlord and Mockra still alive, it's now high tide for us, guys. If Mockra blocked me yesterday, he may be evil due to that, whatever he did this night, he didn't block the killer, so he is evil.

I'd say that the best course of action, to buy ourselves another day, is to lynch Mockra, seeing how he is likely evil and a supernatural.

Vote Mockra.

i didnt block you, i blocked korlat so your lying when you say you were blocked. So i didnt block the killer and i am evil, thats smart that is, cause theres only a killer left?

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

I inquired at P-S. My investigation yielded no results. So, either guarded, or my target was a ghost.

Remove vote for now.

I can say straightaway: I investigated Tennes, since I already had a result for Korlat.

And now you infer again, does your pm tell you what result you will get? cause surely if you investigated me, a giant blob of ectoplasm you would hardly go, well theres nothing really there then si there. and here he says he already has a result for korlat, yet hes voting me so its obvious he is tryign to clear you.

[Mockra]

my guess - emur is the keymaster or korlat is, and they can now comm off thread after which ever started evil turned the other. the reson the kills went through is because they are now a team of 2 killers. so i probably wasnt guarded, but there is still winston out there somewhere. i will vote off either of these two and guard the other tonight.

[Mockra]

look at it this way, if emur is a gb finder and nothing else he knows who the last gb is. Therefore when korlat revealed he knew he was lying, yet first thing this morning he voted me. His reveal doesnt make sense, its lies.