[Fener]

Kessobahn, on Dec 6 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

Em, believe me when I say this. I am inno. Now, lets get one thing straight, I couldn't give a rats ass how you perceive me. It doesn't matter. Game is L-1. Lynch him. I'm gone.

Wow...just wow, cause that doesn't scream scum.

[Fener]

Ruse, on Dec 7 2008, 07:13 PM, said:

Now that you point it out, there is that incredibly generic name, but when we were discussing it before I always just took that as more of a description...it's an easy mistake to make. I know Kess has been acting suspicious and all, but that's not a piece of evidence I can accept as scuminess - hell, I made the same mistake! Damnit, now you're going to think I'm scum too .

Ruse, on Dec 7 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Here's the offending post...someone else would have found it sooner or later anyway.

Ruse, on Dec 7 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

Right, so people seem to be of the opinion that it's not worth going after Omtose when he can't defend himself. Fair enough. Gamelon seems to be saying that he's RI but was given a name...that conflicts both with what Kessobahn says and the information my PM provided me. So either Gamelon is also some weird kind of neutral like Slimer, or Mockra is lying, in which case Gamelon could be anything. So either both are lying or neither are...makes it hard to decide. In the end, I'm going to go on who's CF will provide more info - and I think that is Gamelon, because I still can't believe anyone would make up a role like the one Mockra described. Even if it doesn't work the way he says it does, we won't find that out from his CF, whereas we will get new information from Gamelon's. So

Remove Vote

Vote Gamelon


And now I need to look at Kaschan and Korlat, if you'd excuse me.

EDIT: Crosspost with Gamelon and Mockra's conversation.

Not sure if we all would have got the same generic... Ruse, what is the first letter of your generic last name. We can see if we match up. If yours is the same as mine I would be much more apt to believe you. I am willing to admit that Kess saying "I didn't get a name" might be in reference to a movie name... but if we all got the same generic, he can verify to me and HP and you if we match up.

[Fener]

Silanah, on Dec 6 2008, 05:50 PM, said:

And PS said yesterday the thread was boring... its picked up a little now.

Some thoughts,

From Winning Conditions said:

Goodies' winning conditions:

You must eliminate all evil paranormals.

I actually remembered it being eliminate all paranormals so I was about to suggest we lynch Mockra but since its all evil then I have to believe his reveal at this point as it gives us the possiblity of Good Paranormal.

And just to cover our options. In the movie we have the Safety Inspector who switches off the powergrid and gets the Ghostbusters arrested.
Just as a thought I wonder if Gamelon is in fact that role. This would mean he's not on the town side, and not on the Paranormals side, and could have come back to Mockra as Neutral. Also means he'd get a name and actor from the movie that would require looking up on wiki...
Its the only option that I can think of, as to be honest I think a roleless inno would come back as good.

I just thought that I'd throw it out there, as that explains everything so far. If we lynch Gamelon because of it is another question, I am inclined to believe a rolesss innocent as Gamelon has claimed doesn't get a name and actor to play him.


@Ruse, good idea on going back and looking at others, we tend to get dominated by the big arguements and people tend to slide under the radar. I couldn't tell you anything about what Korlat has posted at all. Might go back and look at him myself if I have the time today.

As for Omtose, I don't think we can lynch someone who doesn't get a word in for defence. If he doesn't come on for the day I think we're going to have to let him go and see if he has been silenced or not. If he's not silenced he'll be Mod killed anyway I guess so it'll answer the question about him.

Bold mine: I couldn't agree more... we are doinf the same thing we always do... Whats the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Malazan Mafia innos are insane right now.

[Ruse]

I'd like to wait for confirmation from PS before I say anything...don't want to be modkilled. I'll post if he says it's ok.

[Path-Shaper]

Bored mod is bored, so here's another update:

Day 2, weeknd freeze is in effect. Clock starts at 7GMT Monday (that's AM, so 3.5 hours from now), with 12 hours left.

15 of you are still alive (Rashan, Ruse, Kaschan, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Gamelon, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Silanah, Mockra, Omtose, Emurlahn, Hood's Path)

8 votes to lynch or go to night

1 vote for D'riss: Shadow
2 votes for Kessobahn : Fener Gamelon
6 votes for Gamelon: Emurlahn, Mockra, Kessobahn, D'riss, Hood's Path,Rashan

6 people have not voted:,Ruse, Omtose, Silanah, Tennes, Korlat, Kaschan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 08 December 2008 - 04:07 AM

[Ruse]

OK, so PS said it was ok. Hopefully this agrees with what you guys got. (It was an S, in case you didn't get it )

[Path-Shaper]

Quote

OK, so PS said it was ok. Hopefully this agrees with what you guys got. (It was an S, in case you didn't get it )

missed a couple,

[Fener]

D'riss, on Dec 7 2008, 01:58 AM, said:

Can a role like Mockra make sense in a game, the way he described it?

If he gains the opposite team as his first guard target, then it means that there's many chances that evil team will gain a guard on night 1, and a small chance the innos will. Guard is a powerful role, so it can make a big difference. Unless he loses the guard once he gains a team.

What's more probable, that the mods made an underpowered evil team that has high chances of gaining a symp, or an overpowered evil team that has a small chance of losing a symp? Tough to tell. But since Slimer is a ghost, and a pain in the ass in the movies, I would think the role works kinda as what he revealed, i.e. there's more chances he will become evil than inno.

Now what does this say about Gamelon? He quickly said after that he was RI, then made a string of retarded posts where he claims not knowing his name, claims to be coding stuff to prove himself, etc. This is a high TMDI game, so it's very possible there's a third team there, one that should not be able to gain the Slimer symp. A bit like Silanah said, maybe Gamelon is the goverment bastards that unleashed the Ghosts in the movie. He's exposed with the Slimer revealed and he's been acting strange since.

The cases on Omtose and Gamelon are not conflicting, but if Gamelon is "neutral" then I think he should be taken care of early. In case his team is cult or FM (he's been talking a lot about FMs in this game)

Either that, or RI is not considered "good" by the mods, which is absurd. Mockra said "if I guard good", not "if I guard a good role".

Conclusions: Mockra is telling the truth, and we want to lynch Gamelon who is most probably in the "wild card" team.
Mockra is lying, and the only point of his lie would be to innocent Gamelon. This is slightly less probable since he's keen to lynch Gamelon out of what I consider selfishness.

remove vote

vote Gamelon

This is TMDI 6. there is no 3rd team, therefore your logic is off. now, the fact that Mockra could be lying about his mechanics is possible, probable even.

If he was lying and its good means good and evil means evil, then we can assume that Game is good and Mockra is good.

If he was telling the truth about the mechanics and about what PS told him, then he is unaligned as is Gamelon.

If he is telling the truth about mechanics and lying about his knowledge of his alignment, then he is evil and game is good.

There are probably more scenarios but I am to tired to think of them.

note: all this assumes that gamelon is telling the truth.

[Ruse]

Gamelon, on Dec 8 2008, 03:19 AM, said:

So Ruse, what do you think of Kessobahn not having a name? and what do you think about his GB attempt?

OK, so as I was saying, I made the same mistake about the name, so I can't really hold that up as suspicious. I do, however, find his lack of inhibition when speculating about who the GBs are to be very suspicious. I disliked his certainty on Day 1 about Liosan, especially given how wildly inaccurate he turned out to be. He definitely gives off a scummy vibe, but I would be more inclined to see him as a symp than a killer, as such.


I'm going to go and have a look at Kaschan now, but I'll keep an eye on the discussion and post if anything warrants immediate comment.

[Fener]

Ruse, on Dec 7 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

OK, so PS said it was ok. Hopefully this agrees with what you guys got. (It was an S, in case you didn't get it )

Excellent. You sir win a cupie doll! So the question is how do we proceed... I want to hear from Kess. If he can give us the First initial of the first name, we can assume he is just really out of it and a very confused, very vocal inno.

[Gamelon]

Check Silanah too.

[Ruse]

Path-Shaper, on Dec 8 2008, 03:39 AM, said:

Quote

OK, so PS said it was ok. Hopefully this agrees with what you guys got. (It was an S, in case you didn't get it )

missed a couple,

I deliberately left out the stuff in the paren'theses. By [insert deity/ies of choice here], please inhibit your over-correctingness! Kylie. (Sorry, couldn't quite work out where to get the end from!)




Right. Kaschan.


EDIT: I just know he's going to comment about the lack of apostrophe unless I add it in myself.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 08 December 2008 - 03:52 AM

[Fener]

Kaschan, on Dec 6 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Talking about Omtose:

Ruse, on Dec 6 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

He was trying to bring attention to Korlat and Kaschan on day 1. Now if they were scum, it would suit them to keep him quiet so that his early aggression has time to fade into the background.

I'd like to see Omtose return and defend as much as anyone, but it's not entirely important to me at this point - I'll soon be dropping my vote for him, and voting Kesso or Mockra, in light of their increasingly bizarre behavior, and especially the risk's inherent in letting Mockra live and potentially expand the scum's numbers. Not to mention Kesso strangely looking to i.d. Gamelon as a GB ... I have no idea what that's about, either as a fakeout, or, well, whatever the hell it was supposed to be. Symping?


... in fact, after a quick read-through to see what happened to Omtose, I'll provisionally:

Remove Vote

Either he forgot the game was running, or there's a Silencer scum - and either way, I'm going to ease up on someone who's not around to defend themselves. While I figure out how to interpret Kesso, Mockra, and Gamelon ...

I'm not making a case on Kasch right now but.... this has the ring of an early distancing vote, removed, and now wanting to place his vote on another. If Omtose/Kasch are a killer pair, they probably wouldn't know their symp so would be willing to vote Kess, and if killers know that Gamelon is inno. IGMEOY Kasch. You could just be wanting to switch to get a lynch, but this is a damning post if you come under scrutiny later and we end up lynching Omtose and he comes back as scum.

Just a thought, like I said, I am not making a case, but this post jumped out at me.

[Gamelon]

Theres four of us here, me, Ruse, and Fener... Who's number four?

[Kaschan]

Gamelon, on Dec 7 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Theres four of us here, me, Ruse, and Fener... Who's number four?

There's three now - I'm sort of hanging around. Just finished a bottle of wine, and am probably headed out to pick up another, so no real idea which direction in which to procede, besides horizontal. I'm leaning Mockra, since I still think he's a moderate liability, and we can never verify what he says (I think, dependson the mechanics). Kesso's a close second, through sheer flailing oddness. But I've got near 12 hours to commit, so waiting until some coffee in the morning might be a good idea.

@Ruse: I just don't like attacking someone who can't defend themselves. Mine was an early vote on Omtose, IIRC, and I really expected him to be able to come back and say something. I've got no idea what's going on with him, and won't act against him until there's an explanation.

[Gamelon]

The problem with Mockra is we can't get any new info if he's really slimer, which seems likely.

Kossobahn, Im curious about just for being so messed up and for having "no name".

[Kessobahn]

Just so you know, I think this is silly. Drunk and tired. Tired of being called scum. Think Emur is evil. Just go ahead nad lynch me. Or don't, but stop jayin I am scum

[Kessobahn]

And Shadow needds to die s well for being a no posting guy.

[Kessobahn]

And yes I have no movie name.

[Kessobahn]

Good night.